Ferraro: Obama is lucky he's black

[gabeana]

"If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept."

http://dailykos.com/

What is she getting at?

Do other Clinton supporters agree with this?

[DS1]

1. Someone's bitter

:eyes:

[hueyshort]

53. She is right. MSM has never done so much fawning in the

history of TV. Not to mention overlooking the pimples.

[Seabiscuit]

122. That's exactly what Ferraro is getting at, and it's absolutely true.

It's the media that's played the race card to promote Obama for the past year.

And if he wins they'll all high-five each other and then torpedo him.

[Dave_Fl_50]

181. Exactly

[LisaL]

203. They are sitting in wait until he gets the nomination, and then they

gonna pounce.
It's all so very predictable.

[Rockholm]

248. It is absolutely true.

It is obvious. Look at the candidates who are out of the race with years more experience than Obama.....Dodd, Biden, Edwards, Richardson, Kucinich, Gravel. Please. The only reason Obama is still in this IS because he is black.
And, to be honest, the same can be said of Hillary because she IS a woman.

[Blondiegrrl]

298. BULLSHIT. Who the fuck cares what color he is? I sure don't.

[Rockholm]

306. Fine. That's your opinion.

[Dinger]

270. "And if he wins they'll all high-five each other and then torpedo him."

Hate to say it, but this is one thing about Obama that worries me.

[Seabiscuit]

290. That has always worried me, and it's the main reason I'd rather see Hillary win the nomination.

I think she can handle any heat the neocons and their MSM throw at her. She's one tough, well-prepared, smart lady.

But Obama? He can't even handle his own NAFTA thingy without stumbling all over his tongue.

The MSM is creaming in its pants for an Obama nomination. It's what they've been promoting all along, because he's the least experienced of all the Dems who entered the race, and the least capable of defending himself against the neocons and the MSM spin. So they've been setting him up for a fall all along. And they're giddy with their own hubris over having pulled it off so well to date.

[Johnny__Motown]

209. Is he black enough? the black candidate... teenage drug use... kindergarten essay... fuck her,

[LVjinx]

239. If Obama was white, black voters would be behind Hillary

So I'd say that yes, the statement is accurate.

[roguevalley]

85. she's so full of shit. she doesn't speak for me. go home to your

crooked husband, jerry, and quit embarrassing yourslf.

[Carolina]

198. maybe Barbara Bush was right about her

Never thought I'd say that but clearly, like Barbara in 1984, Geraldine has gotten nasty and wrong!

[rodeodance]

121. don't be silly. She is right on.

[Herman Munster]

165. damn right she's right on

No other demographic group is voting lockstep 9:1. Not white women, not old whites, not latinos, not nobody. You can't deny that having 25% of the party voting lockstep for you largely because of the color of your skin isn't an advantage.

[rodeodance]

225. of course being Black helps

[AGirl]

230. yeah , when 90 percent of black males and females vote for the same candidate because of race

thats big.

[EffieBlack]

287. Black voters historically have voted for white candidates, even when black candidates are running

And white voters have overwhelmingly voted for white candidates against black candidates.

So the fact that voters, white and black, are voting for Obama must have to do with something other than his race, don't you think?

[thevoiceofreason]

193. Sometimes we agree, sometimes not

This time you are full of shit. It is offense and racist. It;s correlary is "The only reason Hillary is where she is is because she has a vagina." If Durbin would say that, you'd go ape shit.

[snooper2]

267. Yep....bitter alright...

:rofl:

Low on Cash, Ferraro Struggles To Stay Ahead of Primary Foes

By Blaine Harden
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, July 17, 1998; Page A02


NEW YORK, July 16—Geraldine A. Ferraro, the one Democratic candidate in the Senate primary whose face is famous enough to turn heads on the streets of New York, boasted this week about how well her campaign is going.

"I'm 20 to 30 points ahead of my two opponents in the primary, which is fabulous," Ferraro told a group of elderly people at the Jewish Home for the Aged in the Bronx.

Fabulous, however, is not the word pollsters and political oddsmakers are using to characterize Ferraro's bid for the seat held by Sen. Alfonse M. D'Amato (R).

Six months after her announcement made her the front-runner in one of the nation's most watched Senate contests, the former vice presidential nominee and former CNN talking-head is struggling to raise money, has switched campaign managers, has failed to win much support from the state Democratic Party and – according to a poll released today – is beginning to lose ground among likely primary voters.

snip...

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[redqueen]

2. Oh no she did not!

:wow:

:popcorn:

[tishaLA]

very sad

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[femmedem]

24. Excuse me? PIssed she wasn't in Spitzer's Ho Ring?

Sounds to me like a gender-based insult.

So racism and stupidity are bad but misogyny's okay?

I do agree with you that what Ferraro said is reprehensible.

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[DS1]

96. what, too much of a wimp to actually write out fucking asshole?

Like the stars make a difference?


Moron.

[ecstatic]

4. Excuse me

:puke:

[Skidmore]

5. Awww, gack.

What is wrong with this picture? That is just so wrong, no matter which way you twist it.

[thevoiceofreason]

6. Geraldine: One of the stupidest comments I've ever heard.

[anigbrowl]

7. Well, equally Clinton is lucky she's female

Doesn't mean much to me.

[dchill]

196. Nah - she's just lucky that she's...

Mrs. Bill.

[Carolina]

201. exactly, she wouldn't be squat without him

[dchill]

213. But WITH him...

she's squat!

[Carolina]

215. LOL!

[rodeodance]

246. HRC stands tall on her own merits.

[dchill]

277. Oooh! Bald-faced lie!

Good point! Stay on message!

[Bread and Circus]

8. That's just sick. I can't say first hand but as far as I know it's really fucking hard for

a black man or woman to make it in America. There's just a lot of obstacles in the way. I think it is totally insensitive for her to say that.

This is far, far worse than Power calling Hillary a monster, which can be laughed off. I don't think Ferraro respects the deep seated obstacles institutional racism plays in this country.

We've made ground, but we have miles to go.

[NJSecularist]

9. Shut the fuck up, Ferraro

Who the hell does she think she is?

What a fucking bitch. Excuse my language, but that is what she is.

[Carolina]

202. exactly, Barbara Bush said as much.

Never thought I'd agree but clearly, like Barbara in 1984, Geraldine has gotten nasty and wrong!

[Starbucks Anarchist]

10. This is up (or down) there with Andrew Cuomo's "shuck and jive" comment.

[Divernan]

49. Or Barbara Bush's "This is working out very well for them" comment

[Drunken Irishman]

11. Well a lot of the respect I had for Ferraro just went out the window with this comment.

I guess could say she's lucky she is a woman, or she would have never been picked as a vice presidential candidate for Mondale.

[meow mix]

12. shes having a marge shotz moment.. common in that camp.

:banghead:

[otohara]

13. Growing Up Black in America

means 1 in 10 will be in jail for a whole lot of black men!

[MidwestTransplant]

14. Maybe she should consider that women and minorites of any stripe

have a tougher road to hoe in national politics and the fact that either of them is there is a testament to their strength. I would add that Bush is lucky he is his daddy's son or he would be a mid level salesman at a mediocre company.

[knixphan]

168. Amen!

[GodlessBiker]

15. Yes, Geraldine. Black male success: Always luck.

[BooScout]

16. And now for your viewing pleasure......the Obamabots ......

....will crucify yet another Democrat who doesn't thnk Obama is the 2nd coming.

[Drunken Irishman]

18. It has nothing to do with not liking Obama. However, to say he's only here because of his race?

Bullshit.

[redqueen]

26. Thanks for explaining it...

and goddamn is it sad that it has to be explained... still... HERE!

:crazy:

[Dave_Fl_50]

184. Is true

[ellacott]

29. What do the Clinton supporters do to anyone supporting Obama?

Crucify them. You folks are such hypocrites. What Ferraro said was wrong. I know you see it within yourself to admit thaty but it was a stupid thing to say.

[Blondiegrrl]

303. Even Hillary herself said Ferraro's comments were wrong.

I guess some Hillary supporters have egg on their collective face now.

[geek tragedy]

37. No, just a racist old has-been. n/t

[corkhead]

51. rather than insult your fellow DUers, do you care to enlighten us on your defense of this comment?

[murbley40]

283. I do not understand.....

Barack is black, (actually he is bi-racial). It is not racist to say this. Now, have you ever seen black folks turn out in such large numbers in your life? Well why is it racist to say
that they are turning out for one of their own? Are blacks proud to be black or not and would you be turning out for him in these numbers if he were white? Be truthful.

And before you start blasting me and calling me racist, I AM NOT!! My family raised us not to be
prejudiced and I raised my family the same. My support of Hillary Clinton has nothing to do with skin color.
I was turned off of Barack Obama partly because, he presents himself as the uniter and inspires divisiveness in his supporters.

[corkhead]

295. I have no doubt about your sincerity, but I am not sure I will effectively articulate

an answer to what it is you don't understand, but I guess I will sum it up by saying that the same logic would allow the argument that Hillary would not be in the position she is in if she wasn't married to a former President. It would also be the same as saying that she is getting votes from women strictly because of her gender.

Maybe some people choose who they vote for that way, but to make a generalization like Ferraro did, presented in a context that has an underlying inference that demeans Mr. Obama because of his race, is not accurate, and also serves as a dog whistle to the idiots who are racists.

It isn't just "black folks" that are turning out in record numbers; there may be polls that I am not aware of, but I know of no evidence that blacks are turning out in higher percentages than any other group. I could be wrong, but my understanding is that ALL groups, any way you slice it, are turning out in record numbers.

Personally, I think that Obama is lucky that he happens to be, in my humble opinion, the best remaining candidate and has the best chance of winning in the general. It is because of this that he has my support.

I hope this helps.

[OzarkDem]

70. "Iron My Shirt" sexist Dems

Actually its kind of fun teaching these punks a lesson. I'm rather enjoying it.

[Laelth]

71. I will respond in anger to anyone who throws the party under the bus.

Be it Hillary or any of her followers.

It makes no sense to be trashing Obama aright now. He is the likely nominee, even if he doesn't have it wrapped up. This constant barrage on him by prominent Democrats makes no sense. We are self-destructing.

:(

-Laelth

[OzarkDem]

76. Read the article before getting your shorts in a twist

Typical knee-jerk Obama fan. :eyes:

[Laelth]

94. I read it. Ferraro's comments about why Obama ...

... is where he currently is are indefensible. Consider my shorts in a twist.

It saddens me to see the party self-destruct like this. It saddens me more that you would defend Ferraro's comments.

:(

-Laelth

[OzarkDem]

134. Sorry you're so narrow minded

[Hepburn]

146. How in the world is it narrow minded to be aghast at racial slurs and bigotry?

Your remark stuns me. How sad that any DUer or liberal would support such bigoted statements.

[OzarkDem]

156. So you still haven't read the sourced article

[Blondiegrrl]

304. I read the article this morning, long before I came over to DU.

How is it any less offensive in its entirety?

Did you also take note that Hillary Clinton has denounced Ferraro's comments? Even she knows better, shockingly.

[rodeodance]

240. NO slurs at all. His blackness is a factor in this primary.That is a fact and it

is also a fact that the media--until recently has been afraid to scrutinize
him--because he is black and afraid of being called racist!

[dionysus]

260. naw, you're just extremely bitter hillary turned out to be a shit candidate....

[Carolina]

214. exactly, with Clinton lemmings anything against Obama is

GOOD... absolutely anything

But challenge HRC and you're sexist, in a cult or _______________(fill in the negative, kitchen sink blank).

[Blondiegrrl]

302. The Clinton camp is in denial big time. They need psychiatric help to

come to terms with their inevitable loss.

This is not a joke. I am completely serious.

Sadly ... :(

[Laelth]

305. I hear ya. Hillary was the presumptive nominee for a year.

This has got to hurt, but I can't just stand by and let them trash the party just because they're not getting their way. Other, more important interests, must come first ... like the welfare of the Democratic Party and the United States of America.

:(

-Laelth


Edit:Laelth--spelling.

[Alter Ego]

259. The D next to their name does not excuse

horribly ignorant, veiled-racist comments.

And you know damn right well that Geraldine Ferraro is being ignorant when she says this.

[Jersey Devil]

17. Hmm, sounds like Ferraro really fucked up a talking point

So Hillary is the victim again because Obama has the advantage of being black? And this person was on the ticket as vice president?

[pdxmom]

19. Let's see if the MSM will bother to give this the same coverage they

gave the "monster" comment. My guess is no.

[redqueen]

28. Did "Shuck and Jive" get as much air? (nt)

[Swamp Rat]

20. Open mouth; insert whole leg.

[anonymous171]

21. She's right. We're lucky that Obama is lucky to be who he is.

[otohara]

30. I Like That

we are lucky!

[Cha]

180. We're lucky Obama is a

million times smarter than the whole bunch of 'em with their generals, phds, vp also rans, whatever else they think they got goin' over there in hilaryland.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

22. Ferraro who?

Oh yeah, that woman who won ONE FUCKING STATE with Mondale in the 1984 election. If she had been a better candidate, maybe we wouldn't have had four more years of Reagan.

What racist crap.

[sniffa]

23. Oi vey

She's lucky she has a vagina. Do you think she would have gotten the VP slot otherwise?

[Cha]

75. What is it with some of

the hilary surrogates who come up with off the wall psycho ops like this?

They really should join the pool of shame.

[Jed Dilligan]

25. The news to me is that she's still alive.

[rodeodance]

227. She is a well respected lawyer and I agree with her statement today.

[Jed Dilligan]

233. Then shame on you.

:shrug:

[whatchamacallit]

27. "Blacks have all the luck"

Ever wonder if once idealistic young whites, become more bigoted as they age? There seem to be a lot of older democrats who exhibit less sensitivity to the issue of race these days...

[Hepburn]

152. That is just soooooooooo unbelievable....

...I am totally ashamed that any white person would say something this bigoted ~~ particulary a Democrat who was at one time a standard bearer of our party.

Oh, my...I feel like apologizing for being an old white female! :cry:

I truly am so sorry this offensive garbage was uttered...there simply is NO place for bigoted crap like this!

[whatchamacallit]

199. Yeah, this election is exposing a lot of lingering shit in our own party.

Pretty fucking dissapointing...

[Cha]

31. Someone has their

head up their ass and trying to make profound statements that are ready for the shit can.

[ContinentalOp]

32. "If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position."

I think that's a pretty accurate statement. If Obama were a white man, he would have already won the nomination in a landslide.

[Bread and Circus]

45. Exactly. What is Ferraro thinking?

[Raine]

103. That's exactly right

I used to like her but I'm throughly disgusted with her ignorant hateful attitude in making such an asinine statment. x(

[woolldog]

33. Clinton surrogates should just avoid the topic of race.

Whenever they bring it up they just shoot themselves in the foot.

[ellacott]

65. They definately do

And then they get upset when they are called on it. These people are too smart to act this stupid.

[woolldog]

88. It's almost as if they're

trying their damnedest to alienate the black vote in the unlikely event Clinton wins. :shrug:

[ellacott]

91. And this is what I don't understand

[JVS]

34. A shame he isn't married to a former president as well.

Then he'd be super lucky

[DJ13]

35. Back to the subtle racism, 'eh Clinton campaign?

You, and anyone associated with your campaign, no longer deserves to be called Democrats.

I've had enough of this subtle Republican smear campaign.

[ellacott]

41. I agree This is what they've been subtely doing throughout this campaign

It amazes me that people don't see this Republican smear campaign.

[geek tragedy]

43. Nothing subtle about this. Just plain race-baiting

by the racist Clinton campaign.

It just gets easier and easier to live up to my promise to never vote for a Clinton again.

[Major Hogwash]

110. Yeah, I agree - this is "out and out" racism!

This is so bad it stinks!

[babylonsister]

36. Geraldine Ferraro's Race and Gender Cards

http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/02/29/geraldine-ferraros-race-cards/

Geraldine Ferraro's Race and Gender Cards
By David Knowles
Feb 29th 2008 2:05PM

snip//



First, you could easily turn the hypothetical around and ask, If Geraldine Ferraro was a black woman, would she have been nominated as Mondale's VP? Her point that she wouldn't have been nominated if she was a man brings up the obvious retort, Would Hillary be where she is today if she wasn't Bill Clinton's wife? You see, these kinds of games are silly, divisive, and totally unproductive. While identity politics do draw voters toward certain candidates, the notion that the only reason "we're talking about" Obama is that he's black is ludicrous. By that same logic, an Obama supporter could counter that the only reason that Hillary got this far is that she's a woman. It's nonsense either way.

Note to Ferraro, if Barack Obama was not black, he wouldn't be Barack Obama. Hillary Clinton, likewise, is more than just a female candidate. Both people are talented at what they do. That's why they've made it this far. Please, Geraldine, get a grip.

[anonymous171]

62. You know, that's funny because Hillary is often compared to Mondale here.

[BklynChick]

38. race card, and she's an ignoramus for saying that

[bpeale]

100. but is it true? uhhhh ... yep

[Guava Jelly]

39. What makes that uppity Negro think he can be president..

I expect better from her...This is very disappointing.

[VolcanoJen]

50. Everyone knows black men live charmed lives!!!

How DARE he even run against a woman?

:eyes:

This is just some whacky crap coming out of Ferraro's mouth. How incredibly disappointing.

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[zalinda]

124. Now, your's is a sexist, racist, class-ist comment

Just like an Obama supporter to call everyone out because we don't support Obama. He is NOT a brilliant politician, he is a MADE politician. All his success in the state senate was GIVEN to him, by the house senate leader. His speech cadence is made up. He never talked like that BEFORE he ran for President. You should read up on his rise to power, but that would make you look at Obama with a more critical eye, so that will never happen.

I don't like Obama, if fact people like you make me dislike him even more. You have basically said that because you support him, you are superior to any one who doesn't support him. Obama and his supporters remind me more and more of Bush and his supporters, your arrogance is overwhelming.

In other words, let them eat cake. You are clueless!

zalinda

[SammyWinstonJack]

261. They do don't they?

Obama and his supporters remind me more and more of Bush and his supporters, your arrogance is overwhelming.

Obama is an empty suit, all style and no substance. How so many are so easily duped is mind boggling. We will all pay dearly as we have these past 7 years.

[Seabiscuit]

126. You're the one being the racist here. Race/gender had nothing to do with my support for Edwards.

What a stupid, stupid, vapid, vapid, thoughtless post.

You've been alerted. Classist, racist, sexist, and freepish, all rolled into one.

Enjoy your 5 minutes of delusionary fame before the mods' tombstone comes crashing down on your head.

[femmedem]

212. Sorry you're getting piled on.

Welcome to DU, though. Most of us aren't that bad. Do you know abot the Ignore feature?

[Carolina]

216. you make valid points and welcome to DU!

[enid602]

40. insert foot

Sounds like Geraldine's been taking a few public speaking pointers from Barbara Bush.

[Barack_America]

42. Geraldine Ferraro: Thank you for showing us your true colors.

Next step: get help.

[OzarkDem]

44. Obama supporters are sexist, what's new?

And they throw temper tantrums and call names when strong Dem women call them out on it.

Nothing new about that.


:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[redqueen]

47. Ever hear the term "pretzel logic"? (nt)

[OzarkDem]

58. The truth shall set you free

[blogslut]

46. Damn, Geraldine

You too?

[VolcanoJen]

48. Good gawd, it's even worse in context.

Holy shit. This is a gaffe-extraordinaire. It's like shuck-and-jive and fairy-tale all rolled into one big bitter rant, with a soft mellow spice of "sexist media" thrown in for flavor.

When the subject turned to Obama, Clinton's rival for the Democratic Party nomination, Ferraro's comments took on a decidedly bitter edge.

"I think what America feels about a woman becoming president takes a very secondary place to Obama's campaign - to a kind of campaign that it would be hard for anyone to run against," she said. "For one thing, you have the press, which has been uniquely hard on her. It's been a very sexist media. Some just don't like her. The others have gotten caught up in the Obama campaign.

"If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position," she continued. "And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept." Ferraro does not buy the notion of Obama as the great reconciler.

The press has been "uniquely hard" on her? That same press that proclaimed her The Inevitable over a year ago, all the way until about two weeks before Iowa? And what's that... she's saying that Obama and his campaign don't care about making history? That's... ummmm... odd.

How depressing. My only hope is that The Kitchen Sink is running out of parts.

[musiclawyer]

61. Obama needs to demand an apology,. Fire with Fire

I mean she is flat out insulting every person of color who has accomplished anything, esssentially saying it must be because special breaks they get by virtue of their color. Somebody write Keith O or the Obama campaign please!

[woolldog]

143. No. the race issue

is like quicksand for Obama; he can't win when he steps into it. He's best off just ignoring it.

[ContinentalOp]

64. I know, "uniquely hard on her."

:eyes: Hey, ever hear of this guy BILL CLINTON? Gee, who woulda thunk that his wife Hillary would get a hard time from the press? It must be because she's a woman. I never would have thought in a million years that the press would treat a Clinton unfairly. :crazy:

[Carolina]

218. sadly no, the Hillbots have gone down to the sewer

to their natural element SEWAGE.

There is no fucking way I will ever vote for Hillary. She is the worst. She is a monster and Samantha Power was absolutely right!

[grantcart]

52. and Ferraro was on the ticket because she was . . . . .?

[undeterred]

54. Black is a concept? What a concept.

[earth mom]

55. I'd say Obama is lucky because he's got Oprah-which hides the fact that he's really a rethug. nt

[OzarkDem]

56. Link to the actual article and quotes; GO FERRARO!!!

Here's the text from the linked article....

As the only woman ever to be selected by a major political party for the position of vice president of the United States, Geraldine Ferraro is uniquely suited to comment on the political events of the day.

.....


"I will probably start with a personal account, drawing attention to the historic firsts of both these candidacies in our party, and point out specific, significant differences between Hillary's campaign and mine," said Ferraro.

"I will discuss what I think's been going on in her campaign and the role of the media, which has been far larger than anything I've seen before. And I'll get into what this bides for the future. I may also speak about the superdelegates, since I was involved with their creation."

....

"I think what America feels about a woman becoming president takes a very secondary place to Obama's campaign - to a kind of campaign that it would be hard for anyone to run against," she said. "For one thing, you have the press, which has been uniquely hard on her. It's been a very sexist media. Some just don't like her. The others have gotten caught up in the Obama campaign.

"If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position," she continued. "And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept." Ferraro does not buy the notion of Obama as the great reconciler.

"I was reading an article that said young Republicans are out there campaigning for Obama because they believe he's going to be able to put an end to partisanship," Ferraro said, clearly annoyed. "Dear God! Anyone that has worked in the Congress knows that for over 200 years this country has had partisanship - that's the way our country is."

[tishaLA]

81. nice to see the firm embrace of factionalism

but, you know, it's not like that's addressed in The Federalist Papers #10 or anything

[OzarkDem]

86. Sorry, I'm a feminist and a patriot

and as screwed up as our country has become, I'm very pleased that our best candidate in this race is a woman.

Supporting Clinton means I put my country first.

[jackson_dem]

157. That is the most disingenous thing about Obama

He knows partisanship has always existed (except for a brief period between roughly 1816-1824) and always will exist because people simply have fundamentally different views of the role of government in general and on what to do on specific issues. It has been this way ever since Hamilton and Jefferson began clashing in the Washington administration. He knows it but continues to sell snake oil because he knows this is what folks want to here, as Rove found out in 2000. The only way to achieve another "Era of Good Feelings" is to merge both parties. The only reason partisanship ended during the Monroe years is because there was only one party. How is Barack going to merge us with the rethugs? Or is he just lying for votes?

[Carolina]

219. Ferraro was like Clinton is A LOSER!

[Carrieyazel]

57. Shrub wouldn't be where he is without Daddy's name, Hillary without her last name, etc.

I can see how this can be construed as racist, but you have to admit, a lot of Obama's appeal is due to his racial background; the sense that as a biracial black man his election would represent a massive sea change in this country. I'm sure that a number of his supporters are voting for him primarily because he would be the country's first black president.

[txaslftist]

59. He's lucky he's Obama.

And he's lucky he's running the slickest campaign taking advantage of new technology since JFK's blue shirt.

Hillary is getting her ass kicked because she's riding a model T and he owns a Ferrari, Ferraro. He's got the keys to the kingdom because he's organized, tech-savvy and dedicated to winning something he never took for granted.

Unlike some folks.

[Catherina]

174. Exactly. And he's the smartest one up there.

The entire Clinton machine is sucking on pickles right now. Rather than face the facts that they ran a disastrous campaign with a candidate who's out of touch with what America wants, they're trying to reduce it to a sexist racist battle. What a shameful thing.

[TheDonkey]

60. What the hell is wrong with this person? Is she serious????

One of the most insulting and ridiculous statements I may have EVER heard. WTF!?

[OzarkDem]

72. Read the article, and yes, she's right

Glad she's saying it.

[TheDonkey]

128. You should be ashamed of yourself

to think that his skin color is the only reason he is where he is. Completely mindblowing how brainwashed Hillary supporters and surrogates have become. To throw slurs out like this because her supporters are just horrified that Americans are not willing to anoint her Queen of Democrats and may actually like what Obama stands for and what he brings to the table.

[OzarkDem]

136. Still haven't read it, I see

:eyes:

[indimuse]

63. it's true...

he's a product!

[whatchamacallit]

67. And you are a byproduct

of the digestive system.

[greguganus]

253. lol!! n/t

[youknowmenotdlc]

66. Ah, I remember the 80's

[Bread and Circus]

68. Also from the original source article:

http://www.dailybreeze.com/lifeandculture/ci_8489268

"I was reading an article that said young Republicans are out there campaigning for Obama because they believe he's going to be able to put an end to partisanship," Ferraro said, clearly annoyed. "Dear God! Anyone that has worked in the Congress knows that for over 200 years this country has had partisanship - that's the way our country is."

:puke:

[rodeodance]

69. Simple--the media is afraid of being called racist==kid glove approach for

the most part. Part of what she is getting at.

[OzarkDem]

73. But they're not afraid of the sexist label

because Dems think being sexist is ok. Young Dems think its kewl.

[rodeodance]

116. sexism is excepted for the most part (look at this board) -while racism is taboo.

[Tarheel_Dem]

273. "accepted"

:eyes:

[newfie4]

74. She's right. If he were white, he'd be Edwards

And nobody would pay attention to a word he says.

[OzarkDem]

77. Yep, even less attention

because Obama isn't even as good a candidate as Edwards.

[newfie4]

87. At least Edwards has some substance...

...and people still chide him for being inexperienced and an empty suit. Obama is about as empty a suit as I've ever seen. Yet he's annointed by the MSM and his legions of college hipsters while Edwards gets marginalized and eventually forgotten.

[Divernan]

101. Oh goodie! All us senior citizens/Obama supporters get to be college hipsters again?

Wooohoooo! ! ! ! Newfie's got a time machine!

Sing along everybody:

It is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius
Age of Aquarius
Aquarius
A q u a r i u s

[VolcanoJen]

263. This is the funniest damned thing I've read here in a week!!

:rofl: Divernan! :rofl:

I'm always amazed at how Obama supporters are stereotyped by the losing Clinton crowd. My mother and I smash both stereotypes by supporting Obama. :-)

[Tarheel_Dem]

274. LMAO....

:spray: you owe me a keyboard Divernan :rofl:

[TheDonkey]

130. Yes, Obama is winning because college hipsters

Get lost troll. Edwards had 2 shots at this! Did voters pick Kerry because he was more tan than Edwards?

[onenote]

138. and if she were a man, she'd be Joe Biden or Chris Dodd.

But she isn't and he isn't so this is pretty much a pointless line of thought (and I'm using "thought" in the broadest possible sense).

[ContinentalOp]

79. She's full of sorrow 'cause the ** didn't win.

But the sun will still come out tomorrow.

:P

[me b zola]

80. The Clinton camp needs to get in front of this story...

...and reject and denounce Geraldine Ferraro and her statements.


But I'm not going to hold my breath...

[OzarkDem]

84. No they don't

Ferraro makes a good analysis of how the media is covering the primary.

Why don't you try reading the article for a change.

[me b zola]

106. Why don't you relax for a change

But I imagine that relaxing might be difficult when you are so busy defending the indefensible--again.

So this is how team Clinton is going to handle this? Send internet posters to spin this? Maybe it was intentional. The Clinton's seem to have declared war on AA Democratic voters since South Carolina.

[OzarkDem]

112. Ad hominem attacks

The weapon of choice of Obama supporters when they lose an argument.

[me b zola]

125. Did I lose an argument in another thread that I don't know about?

'Cause you certainly didn't lay a glove on me.

The only ad hominem came from you when you accused me of not reading the article because you didn't like what I wrote.

[Carolina]

220. you doth PROJECT too much

[rodeodance]

229. She is right. How is that for projection?

[Tarheel_Dem]

275. she is, without equal, the most hysterical poster on this board...

if i can find it, i'll send you a couple of threads. Although you couldn't have missed them. She's a peach. :rofl:

[Divernan]

111. Ferraro's known to be working on Clinton's campaign as per Wikipedia bio.

Endorsement of Hillary Clinton's 2008 Presidential run
In an issue of Newsweek Magazine (12/25/06 – 1/1/07) she announced her support for speculated presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton. In the article, entitled What We Learned the Hard Way, she thanked Walter Mondale for taking down the "Men Only" sign from the White House. She compared his selecting her as a running mate to Roman Catholic Al Smith's running for president in 1928 and opening the door for Catholic John F. Kennedy in 1960.

Ferraro wrote an e-mail on March 29, 2007 to members of Team Hillary to try to gather support for Hillary Clinton's fundraising as the March 30th deadline for donations approached.

She has vowed to help protect Clinton from Republican attacks, such as the Swiftboat campaign that destroyed nominee Senator John Kerry in the close-cut 2004 presidential election. During Clinton's successful bid for the senate, Ferraro campaigned with the former First Lady, helping her secure the votes of Queens residents.

In March 2008, with Clinton trailing rival Barack Obama in pledged delegates and the popular vote, Ferraro said, "If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is."<11>

[me b zola]

113. I was really hoping that this was not intentional

...hoping that it is not yet another in a disgusting series of race-baiting comments.

Maybe this is why the Clinton camp mocks the idea of hope, they seem to wish to destroy hope (or anything else that is decent).

[burythehatchet]

148. to believe that, one must similarly believe tht BushCo was a series on unintended

consequences. In Hillary's camp, these sorts of things are part of a strategy that, when fully exposed, will cause great anger and disappointment in most progressive minded people. Mark my words. She's not a well person.

[Carolina]

221. "She's not a well person."

exactly she's a sociopathic narcissist.

[rodeodance]

119. That is the last thing I would want her to do. Why?

[me b zola]

135. Yeah, I kind of figured.

I sincerely hope that when the dust settles you and others who have been defending these types of actions/statements that began coming from the Clinton camp since South Carolina will take some time off and really consider just what you have been a part of.

You know better, rodeodance. You are better than this.

[rodeodance]

162. I see nothing wrong in what she said.

[AtomicKitten]

82. I'll bet he's thinking the same thing while hailing a cab.

:eyes:

[madrchsod]

89. --what a racist piece of crap she`s turned out to be....

we will see what hillary has to say about this....

[backscatter712]

90. I'll take "Race-Baiting" for a thousand, Alex! n/t

[BuyingThyme]

92. It's the year of the stupid woman.

[Divernan]

93. FERRARO'S bitter because HER MOB-CONNECTED HUBBY COST HER HER POLITICAL CAREER.

I campaigned for Mondale & Ferraro. I was so delighted to have a woman running for VP. But for all you younguns who may not know, here's what happens to wannabe women politicians with husbands who made their millions from hush-hush enterprises .

"1984 Geraldine Ferraro's vice presidential quest brought new scrutiny to her husband's real estate empire headquartered at 216-218 Lafayette St. Though Geraldine relinquished her White House dreams before the newspapers FULLY disclosed Zaccaro's ties to Gambino crime boss Aniello Dellacroce as well as "D.B." who ruled an empire of X-rated slime from two Zaccaro-owned buildings along Lafayette St. - - until John Gotti shot him in 1986 - - John Zaccaro was indicted and pled guilty in January 1985. Ferraro's campaign sank faster than the Titanic."

Just google "John Zaccaro" and prostitution to get lots of links.

[madrchsod]

99. i remember that..

that was a good ticket until that happened...

[Divernan]

109. Lookie here. FERRARO HELD BACK HER CRIMINAL HUSBAND'S TAX RETURNS

And BOTH her parents had been under federal indictment for gambling.
This if from her Wikipedia bio:

Controversy
Mondale's campaign was already far behind the Republican ticket when Ferraro joined the ticket, and one issue that hurt her credibility was her disclosure of her husband's tax returns.

In July 1984, she said she would release both her and her husband's tax returns. Yet a month later she backtracked and said she would release only her returns. Then she backtracked again, saying her husband would release "a financial — a tax statement" on August 20. But she must not have consulted her husband, because Zaccaro initially refused.<7> To her astonishment news surfaced that when she was a baby both parents had been under federal criminal indictment for gambling; the charges were dropped when her father died. After the election the House Ethics Committee officially criticized her mishandling of campaign finances.<8>

[Medusa]

222. She didn't release her tax records?

So that's what she and Hill have in common. . . . .

[MadAndy]

95. Mrs Clinton's supporters say the strangest things. eom

[GarbagemanLB]

97. If Hillary wasn't a woman, she would not be in this position. Other side of the coin.

[bpeale]

98. she's absolutely right. whether you agree with the way she said

it or not, she's absolutely right.

[kennetha]

102. Obama is a sort of black version of Gary Hart/Howard Dean/Jerry Brown

He is the newest "new" kid on the block. Gary Hart's theme was "new ideas" and just like Obama he made a huge splash with what are now called the latte liberals and the young. Never made much connection with working class whites or African Americans. The difference between Hart and Obama -- besides personal judgment -- is that Obama has one of the oldest forms of politics going for him -- identity politics. WIthout having to imitate Jesse Jackson and his stupid "our turn" rhetoric, Obama is getting monolithic AA support of a kind that Hart and other apostles of a "new" politics could never hope to muster.

I think that's what Ferraro must have meant. Without the old style identity politics going for him, it seems to me that Obama would have been crushed by Clinton a long, long time ago, because the AA vote would have been solidly in her corner. Don't know if she can win it back if she manages to wrest the nomination from him. But old fashioned identity politics has provided a floor beneath Obama which he has used brilliantly to reach out to those hungry for a "new" post-identity style of politics.

It's something of a paradox, I think.

[CampDem]

127. I think you are right on with your analysis

;)

[onenote]

142. identity politcs --- do you think it happens automatically?

Someone should tell Al Sharpton, because as much as he actually tried to play identity politics, he was a complete failure at it. In the Florida primary in 2004, Kerry got 79 percent of the non white men and 81 percent of the non-white women, and sharpton got 7 and 5 percent respectively. And lest you attribute that to non-white hispanic voters, consider Mississippi, where Kerry got 80 percent of the non-white men and 82 percent of the non white women, and Sharpton could only manage 8 and 8.

The fact is that suggesting that Obama gets the African-American vote simply because of his racial background is as demeaning and ugly to African Americans as saying that HRC gets the lion's share of women's votes simply because she's a woman. (God only knows, if this was true, Condi Rice would be a shoo-in).

[kennetha]

151. Jeepers.

Can we have a serious discussion without juvenile name calling.

I think the dynamics whereby AA's came to identify with a "post-racial" candidate like Barack are very complex. I wasn't really trying to address how that happened. So I don't know what I said that was "demeaning" to anyone. By the way, I am a fifty something AA voter myself. My entire immediate family (except for me) voted for Obama in the Ohio primary. So did almost the entirety of my parent's church congregation.

[uponit7771]

278. They are NOT complex, us black folk aren't stupid and we don't vote for a person

...just because they're black either.

He's got a good message, vision and he's not from Washington and he's not stupid.

[Hippo_Tron]

158. Gary Hart would've done better in a GE than Mondale

For precisely the same reason that I Obama would do better than Hillary.

The working class may support another candidate in the primaries but they will line up behind the nominee in the GE. Obama will have adequate time to really them to his side and show them that he is as just pro labor and pro middle class as Clinton is, which is very true given their voting records.

Obama and Hart are the types that can best appeal to that 15-20% of swing voters because those people don't by in large vote on substance. They vote based on how they feel about a candidate. That's why Bush won in '04 and why Clinton won in '92. They understood how to play on peoples' feelings.

[kennetha]

160. Maybe yes, maybe no

I don't know. Reagan had the White working class pretty much sewed up. I doubt that Hart would have done any better than Mondale at breaking Reagan's hold.

[Hippo_Tron]

161. It is true that Raygun was pretty much unbeatable

But Hart would've done better. He also probably could've beaten Bush in '88 if he had kept it in his pants.

[democrattotheend]

224. Keep in mind that the first 2 contests were in all-white states

And if it weren't for the women who felt sorry for her after she cried in New Hampshire, it's unlikely that she'd still be in this race. Her gender saved her in New Hampshire before black voters even had a chance to weigh in in South Carolina.

Keep in mind that a few months ago, Clinton was polling ahead of Obama among African Americans. It wasn't until he proved his ability to win white voters in Iowa and she and Bill and their surrogates started making subtle racial overtures to win white votes in South Carolina that the African American vote became solidly Obama.

[kennetha]

232. But that doesn't contradict the claim that Obama has pulled off a neat hat trick!

The neat hat trick is to appeal to whites and latte liberals on the basis of "new" post-racial politics -- the very opposite of identity politics -- while appealing to AA primarily out of identity politics. I'm not saying that AA's only go for identity politics. Their votes for white dem after white dem shows that. AA's are much more pragmatic, usually, in their voting. They want concrete solutions to concrete problems. But it IS ironic or at least mildly puzzling to explain how Obama manages this dual messaging, as it were, without really ever explicitly making a racial appeal a la Jesse Jackson. I think lots of things have gone into making this happen -- some of his own doing, some not of his doing.

[americanstranger]

104. That's disappointing.

I always liked Ferraro, despite her hubby being a corrupt sumbitch.

Gerri should maybe apologize for that, or maybe STFU.

- as

[Major Hogwash]

105. Who said this - Ferraro who? Sorry, she's yesterday's news.

She just doesn't get it!

Too bad for her too.

[shadowknows69]

107. Yeah, because being black has been such a springboard to success in the USA.

:sarcasm:

[onenote]

108. as stupid as those who say that if HRC hadn't married Bill she would not be in this position

I suppose there is some truth to it, but its neither here nor there. They are in this position. Yes, there were some benefits (as well as disadvantages) for HRC flowing from the fact she was married to bill clinton. And Obama garners some benefits, as well as many disadvantages from the fact that he is a person of color. But not just any first lady could've accomplished what HRC has accomplished in terms of contending for the Democratic nomination and the presidency and not just any person of color could accomplish what Obama has accomplished in the same regard.

So Geraldine should just shut up.

[Seabiscuit]

132. You got it backwards. Bill never would have been in the positions he's enjoyed were it not for

Hillary. He thinks with his little head. She thinks with her big one.

She's obviously the brains in the family. He seeks the adoration of the crowds, and when he's not on stage just can't seem to keep his zipper zipped.

The only position he's enjoyed that I wouldn't credit Hillary with was the position he assumed with Monica.

[onenote]

133. well, think that if you want. But I suspect most voters in 1992 and 1996

were pulling the lever for Bill, not Hillary.

[Seabiscuit]

141. Hillary not only backed Bill all the way, she was the tough campaigner who

made the difference. Without her, he probably never would have been Governor of Arkansas.

[onenote]

169. keep dreaming. The poll numbers show you are mistaken.

Gallup poll data from November 1992: Bill had a 58 percent favorability rating; HRC was at 49 percent. Four years later, in October 1996: Bill was viewed favorably by 62 percent, HRC was at 50 percent. http://www.gallup.com/poll/1618/Favorability-People-News.aspx#1

You might wish that HRC carried Bill, but the facts don't back you up.

[Seabiscuit]

176. Polls. Schmolls.

Read some of the articles available online about their relationship over the decades.

[onenote]

177. votes, shmotes

Whether she pushed him, shaped him, molded him, whatevered him is not what we were discussing. It was whether she got him elected. She didn't. She was less popular than he was both times he ran for president. And to some extent his popularity has helped her going forward in her career, although it also has been something she has had to overcome.

[Seabiscuit]

178. Well, onenone keeps playing one note.

Forget about carrying a tune.

[onenote]

186. at least I have words and music. You've got nothing but empty claims

[Carolina]

223. No Bill had the brains and CHARISMA

that HRC clearly lacks.

She hitched her wagon to his -- literally moving to Arkansas before they married, to his mother's chagrin and the shock of her friends (she's throwing her career away) because she saw his rising star and wanted to be part of it!

[berni_mccoy]

114. Clinton isn't racist..."as far as I know."

They are running one of the most despicable campaigns in history.

[BeyondGeography]

115. Yes, Ma'am, if you were to tailor-make a presidential candidate

you'd make him a biracial guy with a Muslim middle name and a surname that rhymes with Osama.

It's all teed up for him nice, isn't it?

[Blue_In_AK]

117. I've thought that...

Call me racist if you want to, but I don't think he would have gotten this far if he were white. He's just another politician who can give a good speech.

edit to add that Hillary wouldn't be where she is if she weren't married to Bill.

I don't see anything special about either of these two candidates.

[NYDem Observer]

118. Ignorance is Bliss

Never been a fan of Geraldine Ferraro but this was completely assinine.

Hey Geraldine, I see your true colors shining through.

[kwenu]

120. As if she has room to talk. What a jealous loser!!!!!!!!!

[jody]

123. I believe she's pointing out the obvious. BO has charisma that attracts supporters seeking a leader

who promises a better future.

There is a bottom line however, somebody will have to pay for all the promises BO, HC, and McCain are making.

If someone gets a free lunch, some other person must pay for it. :shrug:

When the bills start showing up as increased taxes, added to higher energy costs, exaggerated by inflation, and a growing recession, I wonder if the supporters for whoever becomes president; will have second thoughts?

[berni_mccoy]

129. Reading the Replies from the Hillary supporters here, It's clear that many are

willing to engage in racism. Sad.

[TheDonkey]

131. They are beyond any realm of reality. Racist, appologetic, brainwashed, clowns

some of these supporters/surrogates are flat our embarrassing.

This was an incredible slur from Ferraro.

[OzarkDem]

145. Try reading the article linked in the Kos post

Please. Are you old enough to know who Geraldine Ferraro is? If so, you know she wouldn't make racist statements.


Its a no-win situation for women. Unless we agree to be the subservient gender, we get accused of everything.

[berni_mccoy]

149. I know who she is. But she did make a racist remark. You just can't believe it.

[OzarkDem]

155. No, I don't think so

and neither would you if you knew Ferraro. I realize feminism makes some Dems uncomfortable, but its time for the sexists in our party to get over it.

[berni_mccoy]

159. I believed many here were not racists until they started posting in support of racists comments.

[TheZug]

137. 1 in 15 black men are in prison, but he's "lucky to be who he is"???????

[jackson_dem]

139. Race has been a massive hinderance for Obama's candidacy

If he were running to "make history" as the 44th white president he would have already had 2,500 delegate and the msm would have given him a lot more attention, which would have produced more support are more fund-raising.

[kennetha]

166. It's also been a boost

It's helped him solidify his support among AA voters. Without any explicit appeal to identity politics, he's been able to consolidate his base of AA support -- largely on the basis of identity politics. But because the appeal has not had to be explicit, he's also been able to draw to his column voters hungry for a new "post-identity" type politics.

On the other hand, I think part of Hillary's appeal to working class whites is a sort of identity politics driven but subtle and unspoken backlash.


So it's tricky. IMHO

[TheDonkey]

173. want to explain why Obama was down double digits to Hillary in the African American vote

before the elections started and he was campaigning? Forget the many articles wondering if Obama was "black" enough or questioning whether he could get blacks to support him?

Did he just become "black" recently and get the identity politics working for him or were blacks so outraged by racist surrogates from the Clinton camp that they have decided to embrace a campaign of hope and one that is not a dirty, disgusting show of old politics.

[kennetha]

183. complicated stuff

South Carolina and the media coverage and Obama's clever manipulation and the Clinton's clumsy handling of the situation all conspired to open the floodgates. I could write something long and detailed about how this all happened, but I'm trying to finish a boring task that I keep getting distracted from before leaving for home.

[jackson_dem]

206. The answer is he swiftboated the Clintons on race--just in time for the SC primary

:eyes:

It is no coincidence Obama has won every state where lopsided majorities of each color voted their color and he will do so again tomorrow on voting on racial lines...

He was never struggling with the black vote. He was always in the high 30's or low 40's, which is damn good for a candidate in an eight candidate field who was tied for a distant second among whites in some polls.

Recap SC:

Whites: Edwards 40, Hillary 36, Obama 24
Blacks: Obama 78, Hillary 19, Edwards 1
Overall: Obama 55, Hillary 27, Edwards 18

Race didn't matter? Let's get real. These numbers are too lopsided to be a result of chance. The determining variable is obviously the candidate's skin color...

[Hepburn]

140. That is believably offensive.

It appears to be an impossibility that anyone could hold this opinion and not have Clue One as to how out of line and totally offensive this is.

[Not the Only One]

144. The opposite is true.

A white Obama would be Bill Clinton in 1992, but 10 times more gifted, and lower income whites would support him more.

[Beacool]

147. She's getting at the fact that if he had been white and had been in the senate for only 2 years,

the party leaders would have told him to sit his ass down and wait until he had built a resume. There are too many other people ahead of him who are more deserving of the presidency than a senator who has just now only completed half of his first term in office.

Ferraro is not the only one saying this, there are plenty of others who have brought this up but not too loudly for fear of the consequences.


:shrug:

[Dave_Fl_50]

185. Not to loudly within the Democratic Party but it'll be brought up in the general election

[Beacool]

197. Yep, but too many don't want to speak the truth for fear of being called racists.

Racism works both ways and there are plenty of white people who are grumbling about the immense majorities of African American votes that Obama is receiving. It is evident to them that when 80% to 90% of people are consistently voting for one candidate, it's not about the issues and they are starting to resent it. Most won't say it aloud, but I have heard it from some friends, coworkers and Saturday from a lady at the supermarket checkout line. The woman had an Elks jacket on. We started talking and she mentioned that even though she and her husband were Democrats, if Obama was the nominee they would vote for McCain. I'm sorry to say that they probably wouldn't be the only ones.

[Dave_Fl_50]

204. All the screams of racism when anyone criticizes Obama will turn off a lot of people

and it's all we'll hear till November.

[greguganus]

254. All the screams of sexism when anyone criticizes Hillary will turn off a lot of people.

Or it could be that she's just running a shitty, sleazy, backstabbing campaign, and luckily we WON'T have to hear her till November.

[Justyce]

244. Exactly. nt

[Kittycat]

150. Washed Up Has Been - showing her true colors.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

153. Black people have it so easy in this country.

Gawsh!

:eyes:

[Bluerthanblue]

164. -

it's amazing isn't it?

What a world- what a world :shrug:

The campaign sure has brought out the warts

:hi:

peace~

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

170. Well, it had to happen sooner or later.

We knew the subtle race-baiting was coming, it's not like we couldn't expect flat out, blatant racism.

[quantass]

154. Congrats to Obama because this comment says Change is coming and they see it!

[NMMatt]

163. Ferraro has been idiotic statement machine since before she was the worst VP nominee if memory -nt

[4_Legs_Good]

167. Oh no!

Oh, I hate to hear this kind of crap. That really breaks my heart. I haven't followed her career since 1984, but I was very proud of her at the time. This kind of sad comment really destroys my otherwise untarnished image of her.

:cry:

David

[RetroLounge]

171. And now we watch another Dem get tossed under the bus

By Obama supporters.

You guys are going to run out soon.

RL

[anonymous171]

172. Another person can't read. She's insulting him, not disagreeing with him.

[RetroLounge]

188. I can read fine, cupcake, but thanks for your concern.

:hi:

RL

[TheDonkey]

175. This idiot has thrown America and sanity under the bus

but thanks for supporting her lazy and racist excuses.

[RetroLounge]

189. Yeah, i support her statement, that's what i said.

:rofl:

RL

[Bread and Circus]

182. So, you don't think she should be held accountable for such a reprehensible statement?

[RetroLounge]

187. Yes I do, it was wrong and disgusting

and she should be held to account for THIS statement.

But the people who instantly turn to calling her a bitch? That her years and years as a Democrat are now worthless?

Right.

RL

[Bread and Circus]

217. I didn't go that far and that kind of stuff. She just owes a huge apology.

[RetroLounge]

231. Huge. Agreed.

It was a stupid thing to say.

:hi:

RL

[burythehatchet]

237. another Democrat incinerates her legacy at the altar of Hillzilla. n/t

[JVS]

249. Someone spouting dumb shit like that is jumping under the bus, not being thrown.

[4themind]

179. Well if nothing else

this primary has been a real eye opener as to some of the views from major figures in this party...

[NJSecularist]

190. It is very sad

Some of these figures are revealing who they truly are.

[MagsDem]

191. She is exactly right

The press would have paid ZERO attention to such an inexperienced, unqualified candidate if he were white.

[anonymous171]

200. Hillary would not even be on radar if she wasn't married to Bill.

And that is even MORE of a certainty.

[LisaL]

205. Maybe Bill wouldn't be on the radar if he wasn't married to

Hillary.
WTF do you know?
She always had ambition, as far as I can tell.

[MagsDem]

208. I agree with you

I don't think he ever would have been president without her help.

[Carolina]

228. but she can't connect with people

Bill had the smarts and CHARISMA that HRC never had and never will have.

She tethered her ambition to his rising star when she FOLLOWED him to Arkansas BEFORE they married. She knew he was going places and he did. Without him, she'd be a corporate lawyer somewhere.

[Tarheel_Dem]

276. Oh we know about her "ambition", the Repubs warned us about that....

do anything, say anything, scorched earth, etc.........

[MagsDem]

207. I don't agree

In fact I think it is very clear they are mutually responsible for each other's success. In fact, I would venture to say he wouldn't have been shit without her. I like that about both of them, actually.

[LisaL]

210. My feelings exactly.

I recall Bill talking about what attracted him to her, and if I remember it correctly, it was the fact that she was very smart and ambitious.

[loveangelc]

192. Silly old lady.

[saltpoint]

194. On the subject of luck, I think Doc Watson is lucky, blind though he be,

yet nevertheless as staggeringly, amazingly talented as he is.

I hope Ms. Ferraro picks up one of Doc's CDs soon.

[Mike03]

195. This is not an excuse, just some info. I just remembered that Ferrraro

is a multiple myeloma "survivor".

People close to me have been through the intense and repetitive chemo necessary to get MM into remission, and it is just very traumatic. Maybe she's not in a good position now to endorse anyone, and maybe her loved ones need to tell her this.

[Upton]

211. Ferraro=a racist feminist

quite a concept.

[rodeodance]

241. What an idiotic thing to say!!--She is what she is getting at exactly. Anyone who

dares mentions race is immediately dissed or worse--called a racist. Shame on you.

[eShirl]

247. it's not a new concept either

check out the history of the womens' movement sometime (19th century)

[AGirl]

226. I agree with her, of course.

[grassfed]

234. married to the mob

[krkaufman]

235. All part of standard Clinton campaigning...

There's an upcoming primary in a state with a larger African-American community, and so the Clinton campaign must begin the advance spinning of the results as irrelevant, merely an aberration of racial preference. (Now please don't ask about all those voters in Southern Ohio.)

[Scurrilous]

236. Kick

:kick:

[2rth2pwr]

238. Where was the outrage at Elizabeth Edwards when she voiced the same

sentiments?

"We can't make John black, we can't make him a woman," said Edwards, referring to Illinois Sen. Barack Obama and New York Sen. Hillary Clinton during an interview with Ziff Davis Media about the Internet's role in the 2008 presidential election. "Those things get you a certain amount of fundraising dollars."
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/08/08/elizabeth-edwards-cant-make-john-black-or-a-woman/

[rodeodance]

242. So many here do not admit Blackness is an advantage for Obama--yet when

it comes to Hillary--they say--of course women vote for her because she is women--and say it in a demeaning tone!!

[Apollo11]

243. Yeah - I noticed that too!

:eyes:

[eShirl]

251. You can hear tone on a message forum?

Is that a form of synesthesia?

[MadHound]

252. So many assumptions about people you don't know a damn thing about

First of all, both this statement you've just made, and the statement that Ferraro made, sound strikingly similar to the same sort of statements knuckledraggers make when they don't get a particular job that they want: "Oh, it went to that (insert minority choice you want) because they're a (insert minority choice you want). It sounds racist then, and it sounds racist now. And while I'm sure that there are people who believe that there are women voting for Hillary just because she is a woman, do two wrongs really make a right? No.

And while this sort of racist rant might be understandable coming from the rank and file(not acceptable, but understandable), to have it coming from a prominent supporter like Ferraro is beyond the pale. These high level people are surrogates for the candidate, and for them to be making such a blanket racist statement reflects badly on Hillary's campaign, making many wonder if these aren't Hillary's true sentiments(think Obama-McClurkin). I would think that Hillary, if she has any sense, would distance herself from this statement, and from Ferraro herself. If not, she's could very well be paying a high price.

[Tarheel_Dem]

296. And so many here do not admit that Hillary has run the crappiest damn

campaign in modern electoral history! If her campaign is any indication of what she'll be like as CIC, I don't want her anywhere near the "red phone".

[JVS]

250. Actually that statement got harsh criticism on this board, you weren't here yet.

[michaz]

245. Her remark was absolutely disgusting and she should be called for it! n/t

[Independent-Voter]

255. Yet another bitter old white woman chiming in. No surprises here.

Ferraro runs one of the most piss-poor campaigns in US history in 1984 (sounds like HRC, no?), disappears for 24 years, then comes out with this shit. Amazing, but not surprising.

[Blondiegrrl]

301. I thought the bitch was dead. Guess not.

[greguganus]

256. Ferraro still had dreams of getting to the White House somehow,

even if it's to visit Hillary, and now she's all pissed off cause she knows her dream will never come true. Bitter old woman.

[MadHound]

257. Well, Ferraro just lost a lost of respect in my eyes

This is a pretty blatant racist statement, and if this was a prominent Obama supporter stating something similar about Hillary, all hell would be breaking loose around here.

[Alter Ego]

258. No, he got this far because he's an excellent candidate

and he has a first-rate campaign crew.

Fuck this "OBAMA WINS CUZ HE'S BLACK AMIRITE HILLARY SUPPORTERZ?".

[paulk]

262. it's been obvious from the beginning of this

that the media wanted what we have now. Obama being black has been an advantage for him, just as Hillary being a woman has been an advantage for her.

Another advantage Obama enjoys is that pointing out the obvious will get you tagged as a racist, while trashing Hillary as a woman is business as usual...

[Strawman]

264. She's unlucky her husband was a crook

Oh shit, does that make me Ken Starr?

[snooper2]

268. No, I am Ken Starr apparently

you can't be... :evilgrin:

[npincus]

265. sour, nasty, race-baiting grapes

[DarienComp]

266. Unbelievable

that hillary supporters are actually defending this heinous comment.

Hey, if Hillary were a man, she'd have dropped out after Iowa. If Hillary wasn't married to Bill, she probably wouldn't be a senator from New York. Are these statements true? Who knows? Who cares? I'm just gonna throw them out there, and maybe they'll stick.

[Azathoth]

269. The psychosis in Hillaryland is getting progressively worse n/t

[Colobo]

271. Geraldine Ferraro: A never was that talks nonsense.

[LadyVT]

272. The idea is that his being 1/2-Af-Am means he's taking most of the black vote

So, therefore, if he weren't half African-American, he wouldn't be getting that group's vote. Yes, I agree with this. Bill Clinton had the African-American vote until Obama ran. I believe very few Caucasians could win the African-American vote as overwhelmingly as has Obama. And since he's not winning the Latino vote, or the women's vote, this is not a "minority" issue.

[NOLALady]

281. Bill Clinton had the AA vote as all other white male

Democrats in my lifetime. Bill Clinton is not running against Obama.

Do you also believe AAs would vote for Keyes or Steele if they were running against HRC? :shrug:

[ensho]

279. many white men will not vote for a woman - Obama doesn't carry that boulder

nt

[noiretextatique]

280. she's only half right

he's lucky to be biracial. not only does he embody the rejection of america's racist legacy, he also represents americans who are of mixed racial heritage.

[canuk1]

282. another obama supporter is fired this morning

Someone connected with his campaign sent out an email bringing up Bill Clinton and Monica etc...and had to step down. Its on Huffington. Why doesn't Ferraro have to step down? This is the second time in a week. Sure the Clinton campaign issued a soft worded statement concerning Ferraro, but she will not step down. I don't get it? Why isn't Obama demanding she is fired?

[Oleladylib]

284. absolutely agree...as a whiteman he wouldn't have gotten this far.

[Renew Deal]

292. What's keeping all these white men down?

Can a white man be elected president? lol

[rocktivity]

285. Actually, there's a logical explanation to his success, Geraldine

Obama's not ALL black...:eyes:

But seriously folks, whether you agree with her or not this is inexcuseable. Surely Ferraro is intelligent enough to know that such a statement could only end up sounding like like sour grapes at best and racist at worst.

:grr:
rocknation

[Sanctified]

286. You know it almost sounds like he is talking about Obama's,

Penis Size "If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is."

Anyone else think Ferraro suffers from little penis syndrome?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

288. So how is Ferraro so lucky she's not getting called on this BS?

[saracat]

289. It is disengenous not to post all of her comments but then some are like that.

[Renew Deal]

291. Yes, Obama has benefited from the United Negro Presidents Fund

:crazy:

[yardwork]

293. How does Ferraro explain John Edwards's success?

Edwards and Obama have followed a similar career trajectory. In fact, Edwards was elected to the Senate without having been elected to any previous position, unlike Obama, who worked his way up in politics. During his first term as senator, Edwards was chosen as the VP nominee for president.

Lots of white politicians get where Obama is now, from similar backgrounds. It's simply unfair to say that his success is due to being black.

[haymakeragain]

294. If Obama and Hillary were both white men

He'd be the nominee already and she'd have been back in the Senate since January.

[Blondiegrrl]

299. Ha! Good point.

[Blondiegrrl]

297. Rancid old cow.

What a useless twat. Geraldine Ferraro needs to STFU. She's got a lot of nerve, considering that Hillary Clinton woudn't be where she is today if her husband weren't a former president of the U.S.

The Clinton camp has done nothing but play the gender card (Vote for Hillary because she's a WOMAN! Rah! Rah! Rah! Girl power!) against the race card (Waaaaah! Obama is getting special treatment because he's BLACK!) Funny thing is, Obama hasn't made an issue of either of those points. So who's the better person?

Hillary Clinton makes me ashamed to be a woman. She's setting feminism back 100 years.

[uponit7771]

300. Does anyone know of a response for Hillary's campaign in regards to Ferraros comments?