Gawdalmighty. Looks like "unity" is a bad thing now.

[JohnnyLib2]

The fallout from this primary seems immeasurable. Stay tuned.

[Zuiderelle]

1. It's ok. Eventually we'll all get together.

Those of us who don't, never planned to. ;)

[DemzRock]

You're probably right!

The vast majority of those who won't vote Dem if their candidate isn't where they want them to be, really don't care about Democratic issues from day one. They are freeper trolls. McCain is and always will be worse for the country than almost every Democrat, including Obama or Clinton.

One thing I've learned is that...

IT IS *ALWAYS* THE LESSOR OF TWO EVILS.

Always.

Why?

Because we are ALL just humans.

And all politicians...

Are ALL just politicians.

No one running for office is a saint.

[DemzRock]

8. You're probably right!

The vast majority of those who won't vote Dem if their candidate isn't where they want them to be, really don't care about Democratic issues from day one. They are freeper trolls. McCain is and always will be worse for the country than almost every Democrat, including Obama or Clinton.

One thing I've learned is that...

IT IS *ALWAYS* THE LESSOR OF TWO EVILS.

Always.

Why?

Because we are ALL just humans.

And all politicians...

Are ALL just politicians.

No one running for office is a saint.

[Ned_Devine]

10. Not true

I had always planned on voting democrat as I always have. In the end I always end up voting party line. However, as a result of the way Hillary has campaigned and positioned herself, I will sit this one out if she gets the nomination. I am not saying this as some over enthused Obama supporter zealot. I am saying this as a 33 year old registered (liberal) democrat.

[Zuiderelle]

11. Why would you choose McCain instead of any democrat? Sitting it out is doing just that.

[redqueen]

12. I think I can shed some light on it...

consider Nader's repeated assertion that the Dem party is the corporate light party. Consider that he says in order to fix it, you have to tear it down. If this latest chapter in the ongoing saga of democratic inability to affect meaningful change is the 'last straw' for an individual, he or she will consider that they have reasonably reached their limit of what they will support, and will either vote for another party or sit it out.

This is nothing new. It's the way many of the progressive planks got into our party's platform to begin with.

[Ned_Devine]

14. Thank you

[Zuiderelle]

16. Well, yes, I understand all that of course.

I guess my question was rhetorical. Even knowing all that idealistic crap, I still don't understand how someone could sanction electing someone who will only continue our horrible decline.

[redqueen]

21. Everyone has their own tolerance level for being jerked around.

Obiviously the repigs' electorate has nearly infinite amounts of tolerance for being screwed over.

I think there's a reson the populists' planks were adopted into our party's platform. Our voters have a little less tolerance for it. So they leave, and the party pulls them back in by adopting the more progressive party's planks. That hasn't happened in a while... though it's clear it's past time.

[ThatBozGuy]

26. My qustion to you exactally......

I find myself i the exact same boat as you are with the exception of the candidate, being Ms Clinton.

[Zuiderelle]

36. Yeah, ok.

:shrug:

[Ned_Devine]

13. At this stage, I don't care for either of them (McCain or Clinton)

I guess you missed my point

[Zuiderelle]

17. No I didn't miss your point at all. I understand that you don't care for either.

But surely you do have an opinion about which would be worse? If you truly don't, and I can't begin to fathom how you wouldn't, then sitting it out is definitely the best option for you.

[Ned_Devine]

18. I'm tired of the "Who's less awful?" vote. I'd rather not

[Zuiderelle]

19. I'm tired of it too, but it won't stop me from always choosing the one less awful.

For the little (and often large) amount of good it does do.

[walldude]

23. Because Hillary told him to. She's alienating the Dem base with

her comments in favor of McCain. Like me many Dems considered that the last straw. I'll still vote for her, if she gets the nom, but I will not support her. I wish I could get back the money I already sent her.

[Zuiderelle]

31. "In favor of McCain" is so yesterday. She clearly was saying she would be a better candidate

against someone with experience such as his. It's insane that anyone could spin that into anything bashing Barack. But she IS campaigning to be the nominee right now, so it makes sense to highlight the things she would be better suited to compete against.

[walldude]

40. She complimented her Republican opponent and made fun

of her Democratic opponent. You must be right, anyone who reads anything into that besides Hillary saying I'm the best choice is insane. :eyes: If Obama had made those claims I'm sure you'd have thought it was a good rational way to attack Hillary. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Zuiderelle]

41. If Barack did something similar finding some strength he has over Hillary, then...

of course, I would think it was a good rational way to point out his strength over Hillary.

[walldude]

44. Bwhahahahaha

Yeah right, funny how all of Hillary's supporters say that, then they go on to claim something like Obama's supporters are throwing Eliot Spitzer under the bus. Have a nice day.

[Zuiderelle]

45. I don't even know what you are rambling about.

[Carolina]

24. not when per HRC's very mouth only she and McCain are

qualified. Blowback is a bitch and so is ...

[democrattotheend]

35. This poster lives in Massachusetts. You don't need to attack!

People who live in states like Massachusetts should feel free to cast a protest vote. It's the people who live in swing states who plan to sit it out or vote 3rd party that we need to be concerned with. But jumping all over them is not the best approach either, IMO.

[Zuiderelle]

39. There's hardly been an attack here.

And if the poster was voting that way because they were in a state like Massachusetts, then they could have introduced that as their reason. But they didn't. I don't think I need to click on everyone's profile who I disagree with just to make sure there isn't some unspoken reason why I shouldn't question their choices that I need to figure out for myself, do I?

[Ned_Devine]

46. I am from MA, but that's not my point...

...nothing Hillary has done recently makes me sit back and think "Yeah, that's why I'm a registered democrat!" In fact, everything she has done lately is everything I hate about politics. It's a huge turn off. It's to the point where I don't see any redeeming qualities about her and I am actually surprised that any one else can. When Kerry ran, he wasn't my first choice and neither was Edwards. Dean was my man, and then Wes Clark. However, the guys that ended up on the ticket never did anything during the camapign that turned me off to the point where I thought that there was no possible way I would vote for them. After all, I am a democrat. I truly feel that the actions of Hillary Clinton are just awful and I have no place in my heart for her

[democrattotheend]

32. I hope you're right.

This poll I took here about a month ago should provide cause for optimism. Despite all of our griping then, almost all of us voted for Kerry in the end in 2004.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4573442

[Crazy Dave]

2. Unity is now defined as...

Everybody supporting Hillary

[BlueJac]

4. Thats the way it look to me too!

People that think they are royalty SUCK!

[EmilyAnne]

3. Are you talking about the unity shared by John McCain and Hillary Clinton?

[Not the Only One]

6. McCain-Clinton '08: for unity's sake!

I'll write in Obama if I have to in November, after Hillary steals the nomination.

[LaurenG]

5. I agree with PelosiFan

It'll all work out. Unity is a good thing.

[Zynx]

7. Who needs unity when you have 51%?

;-) I'm sarcastic of course.

[Fovea]

9. And I quote Jonathon Coulton

"All we wanna do is eat your brains
Were at an impasse here,
Maybe we should compromise.
If you open up the door,
We'll all come inside and eat your brains."

From RE: Your Brains.

[berni_mccoy]

15. Hillary decided to trash Unity when she decided to rip the baby in half

She made the decision to divide the party. Now she has to live with it.

[JohnnyLib2]

20. OP here, back for a look and comment.

I don't spend much time with linguistics, but one sure could. The meaning(s) of a word change over time. Right now, we are seeing "unity" used as a negative, a target for ridicule in some cases.

If I were a Republican (gasp!), I would be delighted at this simple change in the language of our Democratic primary. If unity = bad, there are some fundamental fractures within.

Back to work for me. Carry on.

[knixphan]

22. I see 'unity' as HRC's mis-rep of the term.

The nominee gets to do the unifying. Not the person trailing in delegates.

[anonymous171]

25. Hope is bad, Change is bad. Now Unity is bad.

Next experience will be bad because it's not FORIEGN experience. Whatever that means...

[rucky]

27. Maybe we should run on a Revenge message. n/t

[stillcool]

28. First you have to drag...

all those people out from under the bus. Jeez..there's entire state's under there.

[thevoiceofreason]

29. Wrong

Barack is just speaking truth to hubris.

[BenDavid]

30. we had this election won until obama decided to "unite us"

and damn did he ever do a great job at that.....

[anonymous171]

33. You mean the primaries right?

Too bad he upset the coronation...

[democrattotheend]

34. How dare he interfere with Hillary's inevitable corronation

Maybe we should have just cancelled all the primaries and annointed her from the beginning. :sarcasm:

[theboss]

38. The idiocy of bartcop rears its ugly head here

We are actually criticizing a candidate for having the temerity to win an election that should have been given to someone else.

[Johnny__Motown]

43. you mean when people started to vote? Clinton lost the first contest you know.....3rd place even

[tabasco]

37. LOL! Hillary unity = "I'm losing the primary but you can be my VP!"

It's hilarious hearing Hillary supporters screech "unity" after H. Clinton trashed Obama with the "kitchen sink strategy," then cries foul when Obama makes valid counterattacks.

[Johnny__Motown]

42. Unity is great, when the other people join your point of view. That is always a good thing