Jesus! Where will it end?

[Kokonoe]

How low do you have to stoop in this country to be President?

-- Hunter S. Thompson, Fear and Loathing: On the Campaign Trail '72

Because of the freewheeling nature of the campaign, a first-generation fax machine was procured at great expense by the magazine for Thompson. Dubbing it "the mojo wire", Thompson used the new technology to extend the writing process precariously close to printing deadlines, often haphazardly sending in notes mere hours before the magazine went to press. Fellow writers and editors would have to assemble the finished product with Thompson over the phone.

[cooolandrew]

1. As long as barakc supporters keep it positive that is our best option here at this point.

I'm stil fired up.

[Ichingcarpenter]

2. Hunter Thompson on Clinton

"Nixon stabbed his Enemies in the back,
but Clinton did it to his Friends.

His lust to inflict Punishment surpassed even Nixon's,
and he put more people in prison than Caligula.

He had his own brother locked up & he refused to pardon
his old friend Webb Hubbell.

Richard Nixon was a criminally insane Monster -- Bill Clinton is a black-hearted Swine of a friend."




Damn and the Clintons did again to their friends in the Democratic Party.

I miss the Gozo

[anamandujano]

15. Straight out of a drug addled brain.

:thumbsup:

:eyes:

[grantcart]

3. I have a friend who is a Clark supporter

who has some delusions of getting a job if Hillary wins and during the 12 statestreak where Hillary was getting slammed in landslide after landslide I sent him an email and asked how much humiliation and damage to ones own self dignity could she take.


He sent back an email with two words, "stained dress".

[Auntie Bush]

4. BS

Didn't they know about the stained dress before Hillary's non surge?
So is your friend a liar or...........?

[grantcart]

5. Yes of course Auntie they knew it. The answer was in response to

what level of humiliation would they be willing to go thru to sustain their presidential ambitions.

The answer is that there is no floor. She is willing to kiss Sen Mc Cain on the ass if she has too. Fortunately most of us

are not living this campaign through our own existential disappointment with structural inequities that we have personally

witnessed or experienced and see right thru it. Does that clear it up?

[Auntie Bush]

6. Not really.

But as far as McCain goes...she didn't support him! She didn't say anything a non bias person didn't know. Some people here are trying to make something out of nothing. It's all fake drummed up unthinking outrage. She stated a simple undeniable fact! McCain has more political experience than Obama! Is that not just an obvious fact? Well guess what...I can honestly say that bush* has more experience than Obama and that doesn't make me a bush* supporter any more than Hillary. I really honestly can't see the outrage. Don't forget this is really a fight for the president of the United States.
Obama says he doesn't say negative things. He doesn't have to. He has the whole internet(s) spouting hate for Bill and Hillary on his behalf. He also has the corp media to say unfair and misogynistic comments about Hillary. To be fair...what can she do to defend herself and fight for her position that Obama supporters won't take offense? I can't think of anything.

[grantcart]

7. Well if that didn't clear it up

maybe Andrew Sullivan can help you

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/andrew_sullivan/article3510778.ece

I have had to write several columns in this space over the years acknowledging that the substantive legacy of the Clinton administration (with a lot of assist from Newt Gingrich) was a perfectly respectable one: welfare reform, fiscal sanity, prudent foreign policy, leaner government. But remembering the day-to-day psychodramas of those years still floods my frontal cortex with waves of loathing and anxiety. The further away you are from them, the easier it is to think they’re fine. Up close they are an intolerable, endless, soul-sapping soap opera.


They endure all sorts of humiliation – remember the taped Clinton deposition in the Ken Starr investigation (in which Clinton admitted to the inquiry headed by the far-right prosecutor that he had had an “improper physical relationship” with Monica Lewinsky)? Hillary’s dismissal of the Lewinsky matter as an invention of the right-wing conspiracy? – because they know no other way to live. They have been thinking of this moment since they were in college and being a senator or an ex-president or having two terms in the White House are not sufficient to satiate their sense of entitlement. Even if they have to put their own party through a divisive, bitter, possibly fatal death match, they will never give up. Their country, their party . . . none of this matters compared with them.



The question of exactly how much humiliation they are willing to endure, or how much damage they are willing to inflict has been pretty well established, it's just so voluminous it's hard to measure.

The real question is how much dignity are you willing to shred in assisting them?

[Auntie Bush]

10. You read Andrew Sullivan's crap?

I don't. Sorry about that. I don't read or listen to Rush or Hanitty and their BS either. Why do you? Shame on you!

[grantcart]

13. No I was completely unaware of who he was and appreciated the other

post that gave his background and if I happen to read anything he writes I will read it with a more critical eye.


But again you do not respond to the point of the piece, the point up thread or the point that has been put forth in the last few days

by a half dozen former Clinton supporters that they are no longer willing to sacrifice their dignity or their standards to the

plummeting standards of the Clinton campaign. Just how far are you willing to let your own personal standards be demolished

in this increasingly futile and incompetent campaign. Are you a real "dead ender". Are your own personal historical experiences

have made you so overwhelmingly bitter that you are willing to let the Clintons take you to places that no respectacle Democrat can

stomach?

Oh and please tell me that you are and Aunt and that you didn't really try to raise any children by winning an argument with them by

the matronly, "Shame on you". You didn't really think that it was going to have an impact on adults, especially when your standing

in the Clinton's ever rising cesspool?

Just how far are you willing to let them take you down?

[Auntie Bush]

14. I'm not going down with them...I'm going stand up and cheer as they go to the White House.

And jump up and down on the chests of all those neo-cons and Rethugs that were responsible for bringing our wonderful successful Democratic president in many many years. You have a bad memory if you can't remember the prosperity of the 90ies...which Clinton did even while he balanced the budget. (Which was run up by Raygun with his wonderful ideas)

Stop dwelling on sex and think about dollars. You'll be a happier person and richer too. You'll also be happier because because you won't be filled with hatred and resentment. Exchange those thoughts for happiness.
I really feel for many Obamaites. They are filled with hatred...just like the Republicans. That's shameful! When did all this hatred start?

[Spider Jerusalem]

8. One wonders why people in the Democratic Party actually LIKE the Clintons.

It's not something that makes sense.

Bill Clinton is an amoral narcissist who was an overrated and very ineffective president; he succeded mainly in pushing US economic policy and the platform of the Democratic Party further to the right, which is not an achievment one would THINK would find favour. This is a man who flew back to Arkansas in the middle of the 1992 Presidential campaign to sign the death warrant of a mentally retarded man, to burnish his 'tough on crime', pro-death penalty credentials. Who even his best friends neither liked nor trusted. Who was rejected as a potential running mate by Gary Hart in 1987 because 'he has no core; he doesn't believe in anything.'

And Hillary is no better; she sold her soul in a Faustian bargain to get where she is now, and now that it's 'her turn' and things aren't playing out according to the script, she seems perfectly willing to destroy her DEMOCRATIC opponent and burn down the party in the process, because they stand in the way of her ambition.

What exactly is there in all of that to like, or admire? Sure, Bill Clinton was the first Democrat elected to 2 terms since FDR, and Hillary's scorched-earth tactics may yet win her the presidency, but...where is the victory, and for whom? And at what price?

[Auntie Bush]

11. Wow! Talk about being a screwed up thinker!

What kind of Democrat are you? You are a wolf in sheep's clothing. An ungrateful sick one too.

Do you forget the simple fact that Bill gave the Democrats the presidency for 8 damn years and some pretty nice SCJ...which we wouldn't have now if he wasn't President. You are so forgetful and ungrateful. That's why Dems always lose. Do you see and hear Rethugs talking that way about their idiot, forgetful, President? No, he's their hero with all the good ideas.
We kick ours like he was their pet dog. I love our big dog and I'd never kick him just to win an election. I can't believe how many Dems are so hateful. I used to think that about Rethugs and it's a sad day to realize we can be just as hateful only we're worse. We're both hateful and unfaithful. They are hateful and faithful. I'll take the latter.

[Spider Jerusalem]

12. I am neither forgetful NOR ungrateful; I don't see that I have much to be grateful for.

Being happy things weren't WORSE is NOT gratitude. Bill Clinton was in the White House for eight years? Fine. What did he accomplish in those eight years? NAFTA? Welfare reform? Media deregulation? The intensification of the so-called 'War on Drugs'? These are good things exactly HOW, again? The idea that either Clinton is actually 'liberal' is a bad joke; they're both to the political right of Richard Nixon.

Forgive me for choosing to exercise independent thought, and to form opinions on the basis of evidence as my conscience guides me, rather than being a blind partisan. Blind partisanship and unquestioning loyalty is one of the most disturbing aspects of political conservatism, in my opinion; I really have to wonder why you would think it's a GOOD thing. I see nothing worthy of inspiring faith in most of American politics in general, and particularly not in either Clinton. But if you want to be a mindless, lockstep-marching zombie, by all means, go ahead.

[Kokonoe]

9. Good, thats just what we need to win.

Obama has been offended, and he wants change for the better. bush* has more experience than Obama and that doesn't make Obama a bush*.
Obama's experience is what we need as a country to guide our future benefit. Just a small change for the better makes a huge improvement.
A small change for the worse will be a catastrophe.

[walldude]

16. She didn't support him?

Tell me that again when he comes out with the campaign commercial.. "McCain. 3am, he's got the experience to keep your children safe. Even Hillary Clinton thinks so. (Roll Clinton clip)

I find it funny that Hillary supporters jump at the chance to defend what she said, even though you can bet that McCain will use her own words against her as well as against Obama. Yes what you say is true, she didn't outright endorse McCain, but the insinuation is pretty plain. Hillary has more experience that Obama, she should be the nominee, McCain has more experience than Hillary, he should be President. It's pretty plain to everyone but Hillary supporters, and there are even a few of those who admit that this was pretty low even for a politician.
With the exception of Zell Miller and Joe Lieberman(and if I were her those are the last Dems I would want to be associated with) I can't think of anyone in any party who paid compliment to the opponent from another party while berating their opponent in their own party.
I gave money to both her and Obama, I supported them both, but I will not give my primary vote to a politician who actually thought that attacking someone in their own party while complimenting the Republican opponent was a good campaign strategy. To me it shows the same sense of entitlement and arrogance that Lieberman showed when the Dems tried to vote him out.