Amateur Hour hits Kerry's campaign -National Service

[Florida_Geek]

First Kerry runs away from the AmeriCorps name that President Clinton gave to a method for young people to earn money to go to college, and then Kerry comes up with the same term that Israel uses for the DRAFT.

IMHO, Predictions of things to come

Maybe as soon as tonight's Press Conference Bush will target Kerry for supporting the draft through his National Service for young people. If not tonight, then within 2 weeks in California and other places with large student bodies Rove will release ads saying Kerry wants to restart the DRAFT.


Then poor old Kerry will have to spend $10-$15 million on new ads trying to explain his National Service is unlike Israel's National Service and does not include the DRAFT.

All because he did not want to use the name President Clinton used for this program.


Kerry's campaign can not be an Amateur Hour campaign

[Warren Stuart]

1. You are not in Isreal

This has no legs.

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[Democat]

2. Who was your candidate again?

Bashing Kerry on yet another thread isn't helping anything.

[Cocoa]

3. that's a stretch, imo

if it's not a draft, it's going to be hard for even the republicans to make people think it is.

[democratreformed]

5. I really don't think they want to get THAT discussion started either

Just my opinion.

[LSdemocrat]

7. They're Republicans.

They'll repeat it ad nauseum until people think its true. They've vaulted worse lies into conventional wisdom. For example:

-Dukakis wants to let murderers roam free.
-Clinton did (insert almost anything here)
- Max Cleland hates America

[Florida_Geek]

10. Right they are Republicans and they will twist the facts

anyway they can. But in this case Kerry made it easier for them to have an issue that should be his against Bush.

[sangh0]

14. And what issue is that?

Below, you say you might be wrong, but just a few minutes later, and now you're back to "it's an issue"

[Florida_Geek]

15. I said I have not heard of this program before yesterday. nt

[sangh0]

18. And what issue is that?

This may come as a surprise, but pleading ignorance doesn't increase your credibility.

[Tempest]

4. Get it straight, Israel has no draft

Compulsory military service is not a draft.

And under certain circumstances, compulsory military service is not a bad thing.

Some of the circumstances would be: everyone goes regardless of social standing or family connections, no soldier is to go into combat without a 2/3rds approval vote of the Congress and a clear written exit plan is submitted by the president.

[JI7]

6. the plan has been out there for months, before primaries

kerry had been campaigning for months calling it a national service plan and it didn't hurt him. the only ones who have a problem with the name are those who are looking for something to attack kerry on.

[Florida_Geek]

8. Maybe you are right but I have never hear of it

before yesterday.

[sangh0]

11. Amatuer Hour is right

Time to go back to Rove U.

[Uzybone]

9. Yawn

Im sure even Rove isn't desperately grabbing at straws as this poster is.

[jpgray]

13. Don't think so. Voluntary national service is viewed very favorably

Probably, like all the primary campaigns, they did some focus groups on the names and particulars. So your representation in said group was perhaps less important or fairly nonexistent? ;-)

[Florida_Geek]

16. If a Jewish kid going to college and they hear

that Kerry wants a National Service program what would the first thing they would think of

[jpgray]

17. PeaceCorps, volunteer work, that sort of thing

I don't think there are racial/cultural divisions on what 'national service' means among resident citizens of this country. You could say an Israeli-expatriate might interpret it incorrectly, but even then we have a tradition of national service that has nothing whatever to do with a draft.

[Florida_Geek]

19. Your guessing go find any Jewish person and

just ask them what is the first thing that comes to their mind with the words "National Service Plan".

[sangh0]

20. Because all Jews think the same?

Did you consider the possibility that the people responding to you are Jews, and that the words "National Service Plan" makes them think of a "National Service Plan", and not a draft. Or is it impossible for a Jew to disagree with you?

[Avalux]

21. Give it a rest please

you've made your point. If you don't like the name of Kerry's plan, go to www.johnkerry.com and let them know. :hi:

[jpgray]

23. Sure. We call a draft a 'draft' in the US

All citizens excepting very new citizens from countries with conscription should be aware that 'national service' isn't limited to military conscription. Their race or religion shouldn't really have anything to do with that--most have probably heard JFK's famous quote speaking of national service, and I doubt many thought of a draft.

[Dookus]

22. heheh

another hysterical rant from somebody who doesn't even know what the proposal is.

I really don't think many people are going to confuse Kerry's plan with the Israeli army.

[sangh0]

24. Wrong. EVERY JEW is going to be scared

because they ALL think the same.

[Avalux]

25. That's right - another rant

bordering on hysteria. There seem to be a lot these days. Trying to get some of us worked up, methinks.

[Florida_Geek]

26. Maybe I will be proved wrong and ROVE will not use this

against Kerry. Only time will tell. I have bookmarked this. I am betting ROVE will use this against Kerry and a lot of people on this thread think ROVE is too nice a guy. We will see.

[Dookus]

28. use WHAT exactly?

Is Rove going to run commercials implying Kerry will draft US youth into the Israeli army?

You're over the top on this one.

[Florida_Geek]

31. NO that Kerry Supports the draft for the US Military

Grrrrrrrr people with their heads in sand.

[Dookus]

32. LOL

you can't be for real.

[Florida_Geek]

33. You really have no clue how evil Rove is and what he

and the BFEE will use againt Kerry. Go hide your head in the sand and keep saying to yourself Rove is really a nice guy. He would never attack Kerry for taking a week off to go sking, he would never attack Kerry for "wanting to raise gas taxes 50 cents per gallon". Grrrrrrr

[Dookus]

34. Umm...

Rove is too fucking SMART to call this plan a draft. It's not even CLOSE to a draft. Your argument is that because the name is the same as something used in the Israeli army, that a) that will have some resonance with Americans and b) that anybody who TRIED to make that connection wouldn't be laughed out of politics.

Your argument is nuts. I suspect you know it is, but are trying to stir up shit.

[Florida_Geek]

36. Dookus is the expert on Rove ,,, I will remember that

Only time will tell.

[Dookus]

38. And you ARE an expert on Rove?

You REALLY think he would portray a totally voluntary, civilian program as a "draft"? Do you REALLY think the Republicans are the ones who want to raise the specter of a draft? Do you REALLY think people are so fucking stupid they'll confuse the Israeli Army with Kerry's plan?

Yes... time will tell whether somebody who makes such ridiculously stupid assertions will be around here much longer.

[curse10]

27. this again?

christ. this has be rehashed over and over again.

[Democat]

29. By some of the same posters

It's almost as if they are looking for things to attack Kerry over.

[MoonRiver]

30. Gee, with friends like you, who needs Rove?

Oh, but maybe......:think:

[doubles]

35. Kerry really needs to stop being Bush-lite

[Dookus]

37. and

people here really need to stop making such ridiculous drive-by claims.

[ACK]

39. Pure crack...

I guess my Jewish friend is odd then he said well at least it sounds better than Americorps especially since Kerry was talking about multiple approaches and programs for service to the nation.

Probably be good is this mandatory for non-military service to instill a sense of community he said. He also said that would too unpopular a stance for candidate.

Oh well....