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againes654 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:00 PM
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I am sick of this shit
Siding yourself with a repuke is NEVER, and I repeat NEVER a good thing. It is NEVER good for the Democratic party as a whole for a Democrat to side with a repuke over a fellow Democrat.

Democrats who think it is ok for a Democrat to side with a repuke are BAD DEMOCRATS.

Period.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:01 PM
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1. WHAT are YOU talking about?
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againes654 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:03 PM
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5. Ummmm this.....
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:15 PM
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13. obama and his supporters are becoming desperate.............
as BO is FINALLY being EXPOSED for what he is! BO thinks Reagan was GREAT and his elitist aides and consultants think NAFTA is just WONDERFUL. The LW often times has a lot in common with the RW.
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againes654 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:20 PM
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20. And Hillary thinks McCain will make a wonderful POTUS
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:44 PM
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44. NOT what she said. We ALL have to admit McCain has MORE experience.........
than ANY of the other candidates. HRC is ONLY saying that she is McCain's equal in the area of experience. obama on the other hand is a freshman Senator that ONLY knows how to manipulate caucuses with cheerleading squads.
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againes654 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:52 PM
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49. Exactly why is it a requirement
Why do I have to admit that? He is a repuke. I don't have to say ANYTHING good about him. What the hell do you think is going to happen if he gets the nomination? What are you going to do as a Democrat? Are you going to vote for the guy with more "experience"? I am guessing no. I am guessing that you will vote for Obama.

So why the fuck is it ok for her to point this out? Why??? I can see her playing up her experience over his. That is one thing, but to bring the repuke into the argument.....that is wrong.
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Yurovsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:28 PM
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29. At least he didn't vote for the MURDER of millions ...
of innocent Iraqi men, women, & children.

Scrub all you want, you Hillaryphiles will NEVER get that blood off of her hands. If there's a hell, she'll burn in it, alongside Chimpy & Evil Dick.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:41 PM
Response to Reply #29
39. "..bipartisan support for this resolution makes its success in the United Nations more likely,
and therefor, war, less likely." HRC.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:48 PM
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46. obama wasn't THERE to vote for AUTHORITY to go to war.
Coulda, woulda, shoulda obama shoulda keep his 'present' mouth shut!
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:39 PM
Response to Reply #13
37. Stop believing her lies, about Reagan, about NAFTA and about her experience
it is all lies.

She has lost. He has won.

All she is doing is damaging Obama so she can run again in 2012 because (thanks to her) McCain will be president instead of Obama.


Her behavior is... MONSTEROUS....
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:50 PM
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47. obama is NOT Presidential material as YOU will soon see.
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againes654 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:53 PM
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51. So are you going to vote for McCain?
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 05:14 PM
Response to Reply #51
59. Voting for HRC; the next President of this shambles of a nation.
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 05:56 PM by Double T
YOU don't send an intern to to the job that requires an experienced surgeon as you don't send a freshman Senator to do the job of an experienced proven brilliant leader.
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againes654 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 05:25 PM
Response to Reply #59
60. What if she
*gasp* doesn't get the nomination?
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 05:59 PM
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62. If she doesn't win the nomination we'll ALL be gasping for breath as the.........
USA Titanic will be heading for the BOTTOM.
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againes654 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 07:11 PM
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63. So I guess that vague answer means
you are either not voting or will be voting for McCain. Some Democrat you are.

If you would like to, convince me why Hillary is the savior for this country? Why should I not be just as worried if she gets the nomination?

I am sure you will either not answer, or answer with some vague response, so toodles.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:35 PM
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65. I'm a democrat with a little 'd'. The current organization that wraps itself.........
around and bows to the DNC and the DLC is NOT ANYTHING I want to be a part of. It took a Clinton to clean up the last bush economic and financial disaster. Just showing up and being 'present' is NOT the mark of a true leader.
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againes654 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:26 PM
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67. Clinton's are not the only people
that can do the job. Get over yourself. Clinton is as corporate as they come, and you can best believe that she will continue to sell this country to the highest bidder. If that is the kind of "experience" you want, you will get what you deserve.

Be a big baby when she doesn't win the nomination. Stay home, and tell yourself that only the bush crime family can fuck things up, and only the Clinton's can fix them. That is crap.

John McCain can fuck things up too, and staying home if Obama is the nominee won't help shit.

DINO
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 06:47 PM
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68. If HRC is out; won't stay home, won't vote for McCain, won't vote for obama...........
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 06:47 PM by Double T
BUT Nader's fight against the corrupt corporations and wall street would certainly be a possibility. Remember, obama was ONLY kidding about opposing NAFTA, just ask the Canadians.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:37 PM
Response to Reply #5
36. Do you condemn Barack Obama for pouring praise on Ronald Reagan?
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againes654 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:41 PM
Response to Reply #36
40. If you can show me that it is
actual PRAISE, then no. The quote that I have seen doesn't say good, great, hero, praise, or any other positive words.

STOP SPINNING
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:52 PM
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50. Lol, YOU accuse me of spinning!
All anybody has to do is listen to BO praising Reagan many times to know what's going on.

But since you've obviously got your head firmly implanted in sand, here's a snippet and link:

In campaign news, Senator Barack Obama is coming under criticism for appearing to slight the civil rights and feminist movements while expressing admiration for former President Ronald Reagan. In an interview with the editorial board of the Reno Gazette, Obama lauded Reagan’s challenge to what Obama called the “excesses” of the 1960s and 1970s.

Senator Barack Obama: “I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. He put us on a fundamentally different path, because the country was ready for it. I think they felt like with all the excesses of the 1960s and 1970s and government had grown and grown, but there wasn’t much sense of accountability in terms of how it was operating. I think people—he just tapped into what people were already feeling, which was we want clarity, we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship that had been missing.”

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/01/17/6445/
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againes654 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:59 PM
Response to Reply #50
52. LMAO
ok keep living in the past. Meanwhile, I will continue to get ready for Nov. 08.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:15 PM
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12. Something to do with Reagan, I assume. nt
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:01 PM
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2. glad to have that settled. Thanks. n/t
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jlpohio69 Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:02 PM
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3. I agree....
Obama should have never spoke so highly of Ronald Reagan...it is a slap in the face to all Democrats!!!
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againes654 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:04 PM
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6. He didn't
endorse the effin repuke candidate that is ALIVE and actually running for POTUS. Keep up please
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:02 PM
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4. No kidding. We've got to vote these miserable-ass Republicans out of the
Oval Office and pick up as many seats in the 111th Congress as humanly possible.


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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:05 PM
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7. Agreed. Obama should never have kissed Ronald Reagan's ass in public...
that was a disgusting display.
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40ozDonkey Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. lol
Reagan is proving to be far less polarizing and rulebreaking than Clinton supporters. How far they have fallen...
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:22 PM
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23. It's an amazing world where Ronald Reagan is a hero to Obama voters...
but the CULT of Obama has stepped through the looking glass.
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againes654 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:28 PM
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28. Where are you getting this from????
A hero??? Show me where that has been said?????? Link??????
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40ozDonkey Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:15 PM
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56. What a fitting name!
You're still trying to support a person who can't possibly win the nomination, but you call others cultists. You're so precious. :D

The thing that reminds me most consistently of why I didn't choose Hillary is because her supporters are mimicking the same attacks we've been hearing from Bushbots for years.

I enjoy how Clinton supporters seemed to understand what Obama meant, until their girl came out for McCain. NOW it's time to re-examine (re: spin) those remarks. FL and MI work the same way. No problem with FL and MI's punishment until their queen needed some help.

Rove much?
The good news is you'll leave the "bargaining" stage of your grief soon.
The bad news is "depression" is the next step. Good luck little buddy.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:30 PM
Response to Reply #56
57. Donkey~chain. Pot. Kettle. Black.
Irony much?:rofl:
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40ozDonkey Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 05:55 PM
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61. BTW....
Heh, now Hillary supporters hate the donkey. The symbol of the party for centuries. What bridge WON'T you burn in your insane lust for power?


(lol)
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:12 PM
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9. and he keeps wanting to reach across to the Repubs. , you know
like bringing Chuck Hagle in to his administration.
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againes654 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:12 PM
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10. Pulease
Reagan is DEAD and not running. How do you explain Hillary sucking up to McCain???? Huh, can you explain that please???
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:17 PM
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16. I agree that Reagan is DEAD and not running and would add that he was
all but DEAD when he was serving.

Frightening excuse for a president, Ronald Reagan was.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:20 PM
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21. Hillary told the TRUTH. McCain has more experience than Obama to be president...
sorry if you can't handle it.

Obama kissed Reagan's dead and dusty behind and then dissed Bill Clinton and the Clinton years.:puke:
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againes654 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:26 PM
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26. OMG this is madding
so because McCain is 900 years old and has way more experience than both of them combined that makes it ok for a DEMOCRATIC candidate to praise the REPUBLICAN candidate?

Hillary's supporters are making me not want to vote for her EVER!!!
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:14 PM
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11. Not only did Obama endorse Reagan
He said Reagan did a great job and Clinton did a terrible job. You can see it on my signature line.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:18 PM
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17. Talk about "reaching" across the aisle. Obama is guilty of "reaching and groping"...
:evilgrin:
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40ozDonkey Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:18 PM
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18. ...riiight.
He said Reagan did a great job and Clinton did a terrible job. You can see it on my signature line.

Only Hillary supporters see it that way, and thereby didn't understand what he meant.

Funny, that.



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againes654 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:29 PM
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30. Thank you
I thought I was the only one that was actually reading that.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:20 PM
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19. Change trajectory = great?!?!?!?
Oh, please....link me to a dictionary site that supports that bullshit you are posting.

:rofl:
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againes654 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:23 PM
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24. I don't see the words
great or terrible in your sig line. Must be your interpretation of it. Changing the trajectory doesn't imply good or bad, you assume that. And just like effin repukes, you keep trying to take the focus off of Hillary's praising comments of McCain
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:16 PM
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14. I'm tired of candidates promising they'll reach across the aisle
to the people who caused the last eight years, too.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:16 PM
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15. Are you talking about when Obama praised the Reagan presidency over Clinton
Presidency? Or are you talking about when Obama has said he does not want to attack republicans as he suggests Clinton is a racist? Or is it because is ahead in the democratic campaign due to independents and republicans but behind in democratic votes?
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:20 PM
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22. spot on..
as usual! :hi:
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againes654 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:36 PM
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35. One sided at best
it is only telling one side of the story. \

Clinton supporters really don't want to talk about this huh. Keep spinning, it just might work on the stupid general public.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:51 PM
Response to Reply #35
48. I am just trying to show you the other side that has been missing on DU
due to the constant propaganda and distortions against Clinton.

When she reaches out to republicans--it is bad...when Obama does it, he is attempting to unite the country.

When Clinton states the obvious: that she and McCain have more experience, she is vilified. When Obama praises Reagan over Clinton, he is just speaking the truth.

The double standard on DU is amazing.
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againes654 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:03 PM
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53. I still don't see what
he said as praise. I just don't see it. IMO, Hillary aligning herself with McCain, in any way, is way more damaging to the party than what Obama said, as far as Nov 08 is concerned.

What she said could hurt him in the GE if he wins the nomination.

What he said won't even be an issue if she wins the nomination.

That is where I see the difference, and Nov. 08 is all that matters to me right now.
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againes654 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:33 PM
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32. Nope
I am talking about when Hillary said McCain would make a better POTUS than Obama. You must agree with that huh?
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:24 PM
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25. Are you talking about Hillary's endorsement of McCain?
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 03:25 PM by Upton
I believe it's now four separate occasions she's done just that.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:27 PM
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27. The whole point of a primary is to point out how you're the better choice to take on the other side.
She feels she has more experience to take on McCains experience.
Period.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:30 PM
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31. Stupid argument....
...factually compared to McCain, NEITHER Hillary or Obama has the experience he has. So why in the hell is she stupid enough to play directly into one of his strong suits?

Unbelievably unforgivable and totally stupid on her part. But...if one adds the factor that she is ONLY out for herself, fuck the Democratic Party and the nation, then one can see why she is willing to do this kind of damage.

JMHO
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:41 PM
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41. Actually I'm sure Hillary could make a pretty good case against McCain
She has hands-on executive level experience AND legislative experience. Neither is a match for McCain ont the legislative side alone, but Senators are rarely elected POTUS precisely because they do lack the executive experience.
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againes654 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:44 PM
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43. Thank you
Glad to see some sense has finally made it's way to this post.
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againes654 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:39 PM
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38. You don't have to point out
experience for the other side. How can you possibly see this as a good thing, or even a normal thing???

She crossed the line, and took it too far.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:45 PM
Response to Reply #38
45. I already answerd this. You apparently disagree.
Obama had better start making the case why HE is the better choice against MCcain, or he will lose the supers.
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:34 PM
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33. Who are you speaking of, was it Obama gone off like a loose cannon
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:35 PM
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34. Hillary is just killing Obama's chances so she can run in 2012. She has already lost this nominatio...
A vote for Hillary is a vote for McCain from now on. i hope PA voters clue into this.
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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:43 PM
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42. Hillary's not a stupid woman, so she must realize that if she fucks up the Democratic Party in 2008,
she'll be pulling Kucinich-like numbers in 2012.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:06 PM
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54. Don't you mean DLCers?
That would mean that both front runners are "Bad Democrats" -which is why I find this election so damned depressing.
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:11 PM
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55. Obama's Reagan statement

Was factually accurate.

It wasn't praise, it was the truth.

And most importantly, It wasn't...

"Reagan was a better pres than Hillary would be"

He did NOT elevate a repub over a dem.

That's what Hillary did, and it's inexcusable.

Let's use our heads and see where the Clinton allegiance is.
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againes654 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 07:16 PM
Response to Reply #55
64. Thank you
for putting that so much better than I have managed to LOL
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 05:02 PM
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58. Please tell the Clintons that.
While you're at it, please tell them to stop pandering to the racists by going on the Rush Limbaugh show.

What BAD Democrats they are. And no pride too. Ask Bill if it bothered him that while he was groveling for their last demographic, uneducated White voters, Rush had a little cockroach cartoon on the front page while Clinton was pandering.

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texshelters Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:00 PM
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66. Thankfully I am not a Democrat.
I won't feel obliged to vote for Clinton if she wins the nomination. And don't accuse me of supporting Nader, I don't. Read my blog at myspace.com/texshelters for my thoughts on Nader's candidacy.

Tex Shelters
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