If Obama wins the pledged delegates, the most states, and the popular vote...

[Dawgs]

...will Democrats lose African-Americans and the next generation of Democrats forever if Hillary is given the nomination?

According to Rendell on MTP, Hillary should win the nomination because the states she won (5 out of 50) are more important than the ones Obama won. According to him, it has nothing to do with the overall vote, but how electable he thinks Hillary can be in the GE.

This really scares me because I think we are on the way to destroying this party.

If we have people that think a democratic election should not decide the winner by who got the most votes, but decide by who one supports, then we are really lost as a party.

I just hope cooler heads prevail and this thing ends soon.

[KittyWampus]

1. The Clinton Spin has gotten so ludicrous, they've moved the goal posts so many times

and yet the mediawhores still give them credibility.

[SoFlaJet]

2. my jaw dropped open

when I heard this new rationale by the CC-so they are essentially saying let's go back to the strategy that has cost us the last 2 presidential elections by playing for ONLY a few states-guess what DLCers Florida is a red state now

[K Gardner]

14. I thought I was still dreaming.. for them to actually come out and SAY this straight out, that

SDs can, should and will override the will of the people.. that caucuses are "undemocratic".. that all HRC has to do is win a few big states and the others don't count.. is stunningly stupid. Who of all the millions of NEW VOTERS and crossovers that Obama is carrying wants to be in a party filled with such disgusting scheming manipulation? This is exactly what people want to change, and Rendell is touting it as good politics.

If the superdelegates allow this to continue, they reap what they sow. They could put an end to it NOW by coming out in support of Obama, but evidently, this argument is resounding with them. Which in itself is extremely disturbing. We need an overhaul.. capitol hill needs to be cleaned out of those who would even consider usurping what the people want.

[Blarch]

3. WTF ?

Make it stop.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

4. "this thing" that you hope ends soon is Democracy. People voting in states that have had no say

for a decade, or more.

It's OK. Really.

[K Gardner]

15. But Ed Rendell just told the world that only a few states count.

[C_U_L8R]

5. I guffawed at that bit of Clintonese

The Clintons overreach every time... and you
know what... that usually gets them what they want.
Unless we stop them. Remember the Clinton years?
Yeah there were some good things.. but there was a
whole lot of bullshit too. This is that same bullshit.

[Ravy]

6. I think if Obama wins the popular vote, he should win outright.

But I think superdelegates are holding out for a dream ticket.

Rendell has a point though.. not with the 5 states won.. but if you measured Obama and Clinton by the same rules that we will be playing with in Novemeber, then Clinton would only need to win one more state to lock it up.

[DemBones DemBones]

7. That's not how the game is played, though.

And if we want to beat McCain, we'd better nominate Hillary Clinton.

[Ravy]

10. Personally, I think Clinton is trying to make it so only a dream ticket

has a lock in Novemeber. I think that is fair, and in fact, I posted last week that it was her path if I were her advisor.

[Window]

9. I disagree.

Those states Hillary won were not won by a large margin at all. Also, they are states that would vote Democratic in the GE anyway. Obama would win them easily in the GE and then some.

[Window]

8. Absolutely. It would destroy the party.

[stray cat]

11. You forget that only Ohio counts - the rest of the US is dog food.

[TwilightGardener]

12. When Fast Eddie says "electable", he means that Hillary is trying to now

render Obama unelectable. That was the whole point behind comparing him unfavorably to McCain--to say to the supers, "See? The ads are already written against him--he's ruined because of what I said".

[lastknowngood]

13. He still loses in November

n/t

[kentuck]

16. It's not like Hillary won those states in landslides.

Someone posted the numbers last night for the popular vote in the 9 biggest states. Surprise! Obama was ahead in the popular vote when they were all counted.