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Uben (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:09 AM Original message |
Why Clinton will win the nomination |
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mrmx9 (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:11 AM Response to Original message |
1. So Obama wouldn't win CA, MA, NY, NJ - this argument is nonsense! |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:15 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. Same nonsense as him winning WY, ID, NE, etc. |
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Abacus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 10:11 AM Response to Reply #7 |
54. We split our EVs in NE -- he does have a shot of picking up a few. /nt |
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elixir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:33 AM Response to Reply #1 |
31. He won't hold them as strongly and may not pull enough votes to take the state. |
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Andy823 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #31 |
72. Why not? |
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InAbLuEsTaTe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:35 AM Response to Reply #1 |
33. Nonsense is right - bullshit meter is off the scale. Stats show Obama would win MORE states in GE. |
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Uben (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:37 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. But those states represent fewer electoral votes |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:50 AM Response to Reply #36 |
46. All polls conducted show him winning more electorals than Hillary, making her the weaker candidate. |
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zabet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:12 AM Response to Original message |
2. I posted that in a thread yesterday. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:16 AM Response to Reply #2 |
10. What that misses is that she won those in a contest against another |
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ROakes1019 (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:21 AM Response to Reply #10 |
16. winning |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 10:44 AM Response to Reply #16 |
64. I think of it like this: |
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zabet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:29 AM Response to Reply #10 |
21. Take into consideration that |
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Carolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 10:19 AM Response to Reply #21 |
57. Take into account how he narrowed her margins of victory |
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Ronnie (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:36 PM Response to Reply #57 |
80. "Many Dems will not support HRC." |
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Carolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 05:56 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. true, appropriately vague but |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 10:41 AM Response to Reply #21 |
61. Of course. Absolutely I will |
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joeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:37 AM Response to Reply #10 |
35. Don't use words like extrapolate with HRC supporters |
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sueragingroz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 10:08 AM Response to Reply #35 |
52. uhm... this hillary supporter has two degrees.. one of them in law |
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Carolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 10:20 AM Response to Reply #52 |
58. but her demographic is the downscale, less educated, rural |
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sueragingroz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:43 PM Response to Reply #58 |
76. you were making a slam against HRC supporters on this board |
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Carolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 05:58 PM Response to Reply #76 |
82. just repeating what Bill and the pundits say |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 10:42 AM Response to Reply #35 |
63. They will hear "strap" and immediately think somebody's gonna spank her |
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Window (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:30 AM Response to Reply #2 |
22. They are also the states that historically vote democratic in the GE. |
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youknowmenotdlc (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:12 AM Response to Original message |
3. Didn't Barack get more votes in those states then |
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NDambi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:13 AM Response to Original message |
4. If the SD's and Dem party want to risk losing the black vote for generations to come...sure give it |
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Olney Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:40 AM Response to Reply #4 |
40. NDambi- I second your desire that there be NO BS in this primary. |
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NDambi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:58 AM Response to Reply #40 |
49. Thanky. It needs to be clear, fair and above board or Hell will surely break free |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:13 AM Response to Original message |
5. Elections are supposed to measure the people's will. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:19 AM Response to Reply #5 |
13. I see it coming to that. |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:32 AM Response to Reply #13 |
28. I do, too. And I think the conventional wisdom of the naysayers is in error. |
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earthlover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:31 AM Response to Reply #5 |
26. Yes they do. And for that reason, every delegate is equal. No matter what state |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:39 AM Response to Reply #26 |
38. Delegates are assigned by some arbitrary figure. In the electoral |
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earthlover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:58 AM Response to Reply #38 |
48. Obama won twice as many states. More pledged delegates. More votes. |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 10:02 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Less votes, atm. But he might take popular vote. nt |
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mckeown1128 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 10:12 AM Response to Reply #50 |
55. No he won more votes.... |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 10:23 AM Response to Reply #55 |
59. You *can* count them, and I think people will. |
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mckeown1128 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 11:45 AM Response to Reply #59 |
68. People who told them they wouldn't count?! |
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earthlover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 11:25 AM Response to Reply #55 |
66. it is a joke to count michigan when Obama dutifully was not on the ballot.... |
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GodlessBiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:14 AM Response to Original message |
6. You insult the Dem voters in those states when you say they won't vote for the eventual nominee. |
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splat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:19 AM Response to Reply #6 |
14. They're Republican states; either Dem loses there |
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GodlessBiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:31 AM Response to Reply #14 |
25. You mean NY, NJ, and MA? |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:15 AM Response to Original message |
8. Obama will win those important democratic states...PLUS |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:16 AM Response to Original message |
9. unlikely to happen. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:30 AM Response to Reply #9 |
23. Agree with you there, he's played a wonderful campaign. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
11. It couldn't be any tighter. |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:18 AM Response to Original message |
12. But wait! First, the Clinton campaign needs to change the rules in the middle of the game |
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Uben (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:26 AM Response to Reply #12 |
18. These ARE the rules |
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earthlover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:36 AM Response to Reply #18 |
34. Short sighted, blind....the SDs are smarter than that! |
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Uben (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:40 AM Response to Reply #34 |
39. This was said by a super delegate |
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Spangle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 10:06 AM Response to Reply #34 |
51. SD;'s understand politics |
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earthlover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 11:31 AM Original message |
they know that we can't win in november if there is a divided party |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:47 AM Response to Reply #18 |
45. Again, nice try to change the rules...but that's not what is going to happen |
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Uben (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 10:42 AM Response to Reply #45 |
62. No one can cheat |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:02 PM Response to Reply #62 |
69. So by your inference, most super delegates are going to vote for Hillary over Obama |
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Uben (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:09 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. No |
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paperbag_ princess (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:34 AM Response to Reply #12 |
32. it is not against the rule |
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Benhurst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:54 AM Response to Reply #12 |
47. Under the rules, a plurality means nothing. A majority and the |
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Nitrogenica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:19 AM Response to Original message |
15. Bunk. Since when do we bend the rules to fit us? |
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galaxy21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:25 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Even if there was an argument for giving Hillary the nomination she woulnd't win in November anyway |
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earthlover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:38 AM Response to Reply #17 |
37. More likely they would just stay home.... |
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ramapo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:43 AM Response to Reply #17 |
42. Hillary-hate trumps racial/religious bigotry |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:26 AM Response to Original message |
19. I sometimes want Hillary to be crowned the nominee just to watch |
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Carolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 10:25 AM Response to Reply #19 |
60. totally agree with your post! |
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Sulawesi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:28 AM Response to Original message |
20. You are a hack, welcome to my ignore list. |
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Uben (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:33 AM Response to Reply #20 |
29. Are you that easily flustered? |
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randr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:31 AM Response to Original message |
24. Obama as the Democratic nominee will win the blue states |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:31 AM Response to Original message |
27. The Democratic Party wins those states anyway. |
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burythehatchet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #27 |
75. that might require a degree of nuance...a second dimension to the issue |
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Kittycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
30. Another sore loser thread, buying in to the M$M Ratings Push |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
41. In every poll I've seen, Obama wins more electorals than Hillary. |
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C_U_L8R (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:45 AM Response to Original message |
43. There is absolutely no historical basis for that claim |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
44. Obama's wins in the red/purple states would force Repubs to spend $ where they |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 10:10 AM Response to Original message |
53. IF CLINTON PLAYS BALL if Obama is the nominee and actively supports him in the General.... |
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Carolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
56. Pyrrhic victory |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 10:47 AM Response to Original message |
65. Tim Russert is a potatohead |
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Emit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
67. I watched this show and I don't recall that being "explained" |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
71. Any Open-Minded Obama Followers Out There? Weigh In, Please (nt) |
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burythehatchet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
73. discuss amongst yourself! |
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thoughtcrime1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
74. Dumb argument |
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Thepricebreaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
77. Its not about states or popular vote, its about delegats.... |
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tinrobot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
78. It's not about the big blue states, it's about the purple states. |
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greyghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
79. That is the bottom line... |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 06:31 PM Response to Original message |
83. Yeah, let's just ignore all those delegates that voted for Obama |
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