Extreme Obama folk - calm down

[JoFerret]

Marie Antoinette. Traitor. Tonya Harding. Chill folks. This is an election. It's political season.
No need to get hysterical. All these displays of extreme emotion and passion. It's a contagion. People are losing their mind and judgment.

Bush/Cheney/Mccain/ PNAC and the neo cons are the enemy not fellow democrats.

We have two great candidates. They are both ambitious and calculating - it's what they do as politicians. they are flawed. They are human. They are imperfect.They both want to win. They want power. It's their job.

One will win and will be a great president and get on with the work that needs to be done to get the country back on something more of a better track. It will still not be perfect. Far from it. we are arguing here over a very narrow piece of the center of the spectrum. We are so far short of the ideal. Both candidates are compromisers and middle grounders. It is why they have got so far.

The fanciful notion of reaching across the aisle in a bipartisan paradise of sweetness and light is nonsense. Stick that hand in the maw of the r/w and it will be chewed up. We will need grit and hard work. A workhorse not s show horse.

All this passion and for what? About what? It's all out of proportion. We need to turn that passion to good and not allow it to fan out in dangerous self-destructive ways.

It's not as if Donny Osmond were here again. Or the Back Street Boys or the Spice Girls.

[bigtree]

1. It's not 'calm' they need, it's a sense of common decency they lack

. . . along with possessing an inflated sense of self.

[guruoo]

3. And that's an understatement.

[JoFerret]

5. Mass hysteria

Some do seem to be whipping themselves up into a frenzy of mass hysteria. And over what?
And hits of mob rule.
I know it's only a minority but it is very disturbing.
They have a good candidate who is doing well. It's political season. The differences are minor in every regard. the "passion" is disproportionate. Are they so scared of a strong woman? They need to chill.

Crazy stuff

[BootinUp]

2. nice thought, but undoubtedly a waste of effort, lol.

[mmonk]

4. Something you may want to think about.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4940746

[BootinUp]

7. Great but what does that have to do with the OP, lol.

[mmonk]

11. Republican voters crossing over in the general election because they

think Obama would the best person for the job this go around. A pretty simple premise. The OP was about people soft on Obama and not knowing why they were crossing over to vote for him and would go away. And don't think Republicans wouldn't notice.

[BootinUp]

13. I dont see this OP the same as you

I am all for attracting moderates independents and Republicans that are dissaffected from the repuke party. This OP was about an extremem partisan view of two candidates that represent very similar viewpoints in nearly every area.

[mmonk]

16. I see differences that to me separates. I'm not an "extreme" partisan.

I'm an activist for disability rights (how I got more involved in politics), and an activist for constitutional rights and human rights. I don't try and start acrimonious threads though I was upset the other day. I removed myself from these boards so I wouldn't post something nasty.

[bigtree]

8. but the 'just a speech' criticism is about foreign and military affairs, not his entire record

[mmonk]

12. Choosing Samantha Power as an advisor was all I needed to know

[bigtree]

22. I'm sorry circumstances caused her to step down. I heard her statement where she said she was wrong

and that Obama's campaign was above that kind of talk. I'm sure she's not refusing Obama's phone calls for info and assistance.

[mmonk]

28. That's my hope.

Obama put the campaign in this position with the premise he would deal with people who get too negative. I hope he gives it some thought. I certainly know she shouldn't have said it. I'm just frustrated. That's the kind of change (her world view) that I was looking for. Neither candidate is spectacularly great to me on their own.

[JoFerret]

33. I agree with that last point strongly

To win campaigns candidates fall so short of where i think we need to be.

This is a very conservative (and in some ways backward) country. the lack of support for policies tat would benefit the vast majority is astounding. (health insurance, infrastructure, tax policy, education, the list is endless.) In stead we have out of control corporate power and influence; war and fear; and an unwarranted sense of global superiority.

Does not bode well for the long term.

[mmonk]

35. Yes.

A long fight I'm afraid.

[JoFerret]

40. But one worth keeping in mind and in our sights

...as we try to inch forward with the next best compromise.
The arc of history is long but it bends toward justice - MLK

[mmonk]

41. Absolutely. That's what it is all about for me.

I'm not a big political candidate worshipper. I look at it as how is this going to further what I and others want concerning these issues.

[Kahuna]

6. Unfortunately it appears that they hate election theft just as much

when dems do it than when repukes do it. Silly people. What are they thinking??? :sarcasm:

[BootinUp]

10. What election theft? Has a campaign filed a protest

or is this another netroots conspiracy with no factual basis? lol.

[Kahuna]

15. If the SDs overturn the will of the voters many Dems will consider

that "election theft." You can poo poo it at the peril of the "Democrat" party. It will no longer be the "Democratic" party after that.

[Raejeanowl]

19. Threats

Why is this even being discussed? I mean, I've already heard murmured threats of what sounds like terrorist activities at the convention if Hillary is the nominee. Who dares float these threats? What does THAT kind of behavior make the Democratic Party NOW?

We have superdelegates for a reason, and it's NOT just to echo the popular vote, although it certainly CAN, and it probably WILL. But to think that they should be dictated to and intimidated from doing their jobs because a contingent of die-hards want what they want regardless of considering ANY other interests of the Party, is consummately ridiculous.

[BootinUp]

29. The SD are independent of the state elections, thats their role, thats the rules

They will choose just as every voter has chosen based on their assessment of the candidates.

[JoFerret]

32. What are you talking about?

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[not_too_L8]

9. I was thinking the same of Hillary supporters

[rodeodance]

14. The name calling--linking with Tanya and monters is pure chillishness. Less to the mature OP

[mmonk]

17. As someone that supports Obama, I will agree with that.

But I defend Samantha Power.

[rodeodance]

18. Thanks

defend away.

[mmonk]

20. Not the use of words.

She was feeling the negative campaigning. Her viewpoint was also influenced by the Rwanda episode in history. It was just a human off the cuff moment. Not justifying, it's just she isn't a politician. The name calling threads I think are silly.

[JoFerret]

43. She's a highly intelligent and capable person

...just not so good as being politic. (And I disagree with her assessment of Hillary.)

[11 Bravo]

36. Then feel free to start your own thread. You've been here three weeks, it's allowed.

[JoFerret]

49. There's a good answer

Own thread. Own views. And own approach.

[JoFerret]

21. A question...

There seems to be a commonality - a kind of unholy alliance between and among Hillary haters. R/w and GOP thugs say the same things as extreme Obama supporters when they attack Hillary. Same words, same abuse, same sexism etc.

Is the same true of Obama detractors? Are democrat Hillary supporters aligned with r/w whackos in the same vicious, personal and discriminatory way? I don't see that. Do you?

[bigtree]

23. folks get sloppy and link up with rw propaganda all the time when doing op research

It happens on both sides. A lot of times, their view just echoes the view on the other side. All that usually proves is that some points aren't exclusively evident.

Of course, there are the deliberate collaborators (on both sides). This has been an amazing primary season. Folks have so many resources and plenty of support to be found on the net for whatever position they decide to adopt and advance.

[JoFerret]

26. True.

But I am hoping against hope that democrat Obama detractors don't go down the racist route (the middle name factor, terrorist etc) or start on about his personal appearance and etc. Hillary folk need to keep a higher ground than that and keep her supporters off that territory if at all possible.

[mmonk]

38. Unfortunately, you are correct.

People really ought to look at their sources.

[mmonk]

25. Farrakhan, Muslim, Muslim garb, Obama as security threat,

insufficient experience to protect America, not really an American (his own country)........

[Window]

27. No difference at all.

Are democrat Hillary supporters aligned with r/w whackos in the same vicious, personal and discriminatory way? I don't see that. Do you?

Yes. I see it that way. The only difference is there are more Obama supporters here than Hillary supporters, which makes it seem more vitriolic.

[catgirl]

24. Flame thread

All you people can do is flame away because your candidate is losing.
Obama supporters are excited, some Hillary supporters need to get a
life.

[JoFerret]

50. "You people"

(Cat appreciation thread actually. So take that! - cat appreciator here)

You people. "Our time". Your time.

Divisive nonsense.

[tekisui]

30. Neither candidate is losing.

They are each winning, and receiving huge numbers of votes. They are both strong, able politicians and motivating figures. Something needs to be worked out.

[zulchzulu]

31. It's unprecedented that a presidential candidate would endorse the opposition during a primary race

Call it what you will...but it is not just politics, my friend.

It is stepping way, way over the line of respect for the other candidate, mostly because Hillary Clinton is willing to try to destroy Obama for her own ends and ambition over the interests of the Democratic Party.

Face it, she is indeed a liar. She is indeed a traitress. She proved it with her own words and actions. If you can't face facts, then there is nothing anyone can do for you.

She is a loser. And she knows it.

[Hippo_Tron]

46. Zulchzulu, I'm an Obama supporter and I think that's a bit extreme

She was making a case that McCain will be a tough opponent because of experience and that she can compete with that. I think her argument is complete bullshit and she could've chosen better words but I'm completely confident that she will support Obama if he does become the nominee.

I may strongly prefer Obama to Hillary but you really have to be blind to believe that she wouldn't be better than McCain.

[Blarch]

34. I won't vote for Hillary

I didn't leave her, she left me. It was her choice.

[JoFerret]

42. And you will surely get the president you deserve.

But the rest of us don't.

[meow mix]

37. "the neo cons are the enemy not fellow democrats" all conservatives are the enemy and someone should

tell hillary.

[JoFerret]

44. "the neo cons are the enemy not fellow democrats" all conservatives are the enemy and someone should

tell all all extremist partisans who engage in bigotry, misogyny, name calling and personal attacks.

[sueragingroz]

39. some of them are new to politics...

Once they get their heart broken a couple of times, they'll wize up :)

[Hippo_Tron]

45. Both sides need to chill the fuck out

[Swamp Rat]

47. Exactly! n/t

[Political Heretic]

48. Clinton crossed a line in the sand when she edorsed McCain. She deserves derision

[JoFerret]

51. Endorsed? What hyperbolic fulminations.

Stop frothing.

[ClericJohnPreston]

52. Common sense

which is in short supply at DU.

I watch with bemused attraction, at the slow motion immolation of sense and decency on this site. Hyperbolic, is actually an understatement of the zenith of insanity and absurdity that parades across my screen everyday.

For gosh sake, get ahold of yourselves you crazy fanatics. You sicken and disgust me. While you become keyboard warriors, lacing rational conversation with words like traitor and Benedict Arnold, you are mere drones of MSM or campaign talking points. You don't have an original thought amongst you.

Pathetic.

Save your wheezing hyperbole for REAL Republicans and REAL fights. If you want to get worked up you can volunteer for bread lines and helping the truly disadvantaged.

But, that wouldn't suit you keyboard warriors who want their reality, once removed. You think by uttering magic words of hope and change, you will create it, without any cost to your personal well-being.

Truth is, you are the worst of things politic, ignorant and irrational, full of sound and fury, signifying NOTHING!