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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:17 PM Original message |
Fact: 59000 registered dems in WY. 8753 actually voted. *59265* voted in the 2004 primary. |
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pdxmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:19 PM Response to Original message |
1. Well, if it's a record turnout, then it's the will of the people of Wyoming. N/T |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:35 PM Response to Reply #1 |
164. Funny about "facts" ... since Wyoming CAUCUSED in 2000 and 2004, too. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:35 PM Response to Reply #164 |
165. Yes I know that. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:42 PM Response to Reply #165 |
171. No. I get the "point." |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:43 PM Response to Reply #171 |
172. Please be more substantative than that. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:19 PM Response to Original message |
2. Or maybe you're simply not as smart as you appear to yourself...... |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:20 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. I don't think they're state delegates, because NYT and RCP count them as votes. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:20 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. why don't you fill us in |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:21 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. They're implying, though not supporting, that these votes are state delegates. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:25 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. so they're saying that 9000 Democrats attend the state delegate caucus |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:26 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Yes, which is assinine because the delegate selection plan calls for 1 delegate per 600 voters. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:35 PM Original message |
Frenchie.... yo... where did you disappear to? Where is Josh screwing up the math? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:40 PM Response to Original message |
31. Check out the topic! Here are the actual totals! |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:44 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. I'm waiting for her to respond to you. She seems to have vanished. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:46 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. They're letting the topic drop, they don't want it to be discussed. I am frankly OUTRAGED. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:51 PM Response to Reply #36 |
47. well |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:57 PM Response to Reply #47 |
54. They had a primary in 2004 from what I understand. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 01:20 AM Response to Reply #54 |
194. Well in 2004 I went to the Prez Caucus in my state in Feb and in |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 01:23 AM Response to Reply #194 |
195. I'm *not*. I'm pointing out the *voter difference.* |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:56 PM Response to Reply #36 |
53. Well maybe you should have gone to Wyoming |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:58 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. I don't intefere with state affairs, I'm sure that once the local party realizes that it doesn't... |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 09:12 PM Response to Reply #55 |
66. Yes, crabbing about another state's process isn't "interfering" |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 09:15 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. I'm not 'crabbing' about WY, I'm 'crabbing' about caucuses in general. |
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BearSquirrel2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 02:05 AM Response to Reply #70 |
202. When Hillary gives up her Nevada delegates ... |
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susankh4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:52 PM Response to Reply #31 |
48. Indeed.. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:56 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Cuba holds more honest elections than this. |
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susankh4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:58 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. Damn straight they do! |
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formernaderite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 09:30 PM Response to Reply #48 |
76. primaries are not exactly "elections" |
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shimmergal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:30 PM Response to Reply #76 |
140. This is all true, but |
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formernaderite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 10:26 PM Response to Reply #140 |
190. well at least this primary season is proving to be a good |
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TheDoorbellRang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:39 PM Response to Reply #31 |
141. OK. Here's some info re Wyoming |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 09:02 PM Response to Reply #2 |
61. Hey FrenchieCat, how smart am I, again? |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:20 PM Response to Original message |
3. Why is Clinton even running? She and her supporters only give a fuck about maybe 5 states |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:22 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. These are all arguments that will be made at the DNC to the necessary superdelegates. |
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Gore1FL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:28 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. 85% of them? |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 08:30 PM Response to Reply #3 |
184. Got a link? Cause I don't believe what you're selling |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:20 PM Response to Original message |
5. Ummmm, no... that's now how a caucus works. That's the number of delegates..... |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:21 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Yes, yes, I've been over this before with these people. Why are NYT and RCP counting them as votes? |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:24 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. No, and I will tell you how you are wrong...... |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:26 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. There were exactly 23 caucus sites. |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:35 PM Response to Reply #12 |
26. Then CNN or NYT is fudging the numbers, Every time a new caucus site reported.... |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:36 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. I misread. |
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Emit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:26 PM Response to Reply #7 |
16. They do that just to confuse us |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:30 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. No, I don't think this late in the game the NYT and RCP would make that mistake. |
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Emit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:35 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. kidding, but |
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BalancedGoat (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:23 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. You're wrong. |
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Emit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:24 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. The number gets narrowed down, from many to few |
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BalancedGoat (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:35 PM Response to Reply #13 |
24. Not all caucuses are the same. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:41 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. Washington State had almost the exact same delegate approportionment plan. |
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Emit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:48 PM Response to Reply #24 |
43. Thanks for the input |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:29 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. Where are you getting that figure? |
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BalancedGoat (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:36 PM Response to Reply #19 |
29. Link |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:38 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Thank you! Proof at last! Wow this is epic! |
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goldcanyonaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:22 PM Response to Original message |
10. Fuck yeah! Dat's HUGH!!!!!! |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:29 PM Response to Original message |
20. Everyone knows Obama will win. What's the point? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:30 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. I just want people to understand how "representative" their democracy is. |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:35 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. I'm fully aware of the Hobson's Choice. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:33 PM Response to Original message |
23. Just a kick since this dropped so quickly. 23 caucus sites held 60% of the dem population? |
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hell-bent (593 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:47 PM Response to Reply #23 |
37. According to CNN |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:49 PM Response to Reply #37 |
44. Yes, the superdelegates will compare these elections, fairly, as they are supposed to do. |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 09:41 PM Response to Reply #37 |
77. exactly |
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Lucinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 10:43 PM Response to Reply #37 |
97. Yup. If it comes down to it, it will be a BIG factor. |
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BearSquirrel2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 02:08 AM Response to Reply #37 |
203. Are you including the dittoheads??? |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:45 PM Response to Original message |
34. Actually its 8692. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:47 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. It's a moving target. :) I will update as long as I can. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:48 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. but there were a bunch of Obama supporters |
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hell-bent (593 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 09:09 PM Response to Reply #39 |
65. They are an ephemeral bunch. |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
35. Blow it out your ass. Your girl lost and that is the ONLY reason you are crying. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:48 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. Nope, I'm upset that 2004 there was a 90% turnout and this year it's a 15% turnout (BEST CASE). |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 09:18 PM Response to Reply #40 |
72. Here's a tissue. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 09:24 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. I have. You don't know me. I found DU because of Election 2000. |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 09:46 PM Response to Reply #73 |
79. Now, this sounds a little more reasonable |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 10:02 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. Yes, she's a politician. |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 10:17 PM Response to Reply #79 |
89. Exactly. It's called cherry picking. And that's what the OP is about too. Don't be fooled. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 10:26 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. Please don't spout unsubstantiated lies and distortions. |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:10 PM Response to Reply #90 |
124. Do you need another tissue? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #124 |
125. Hah, me? I've owned this thread. People don't dare dispute what I'm saying. |
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Lucinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 10:47 PM Response to Reply #73 |
98. This is one of the two things I'd like to see DU work together on... |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:42 AM Response to Reply #98 |
102. You won't get election reform if the broken system gets the wrong person nominated. |
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Lucinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 10:59 AM Response to Reply #102 |
114. We definitely can do something about it. A lot of the problems |
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hell-bent (593 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:49 PM Response to Reply #35 |
46. Suck it up, |
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Tarheel_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 09:29 PM Response to Reply #46 |
74. hhhmmmm...another Clintonite with a hidden profile. Strange that... |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 09:30 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Do you have anything of interest to contribute to this thread? |
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Tarheel_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 10:04 PM Response to Reply #75 |
84. Nonsense? you mean like the rest of this pointless thread?.... |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 10:05 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. You do have a point, a good number of Obama supporters are filling the thread with drivel. |
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HeraldSquare212 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:48 PM Response to Original message |
41. You all act like caucuses are brand new. They are chosen by the state parties and have worked for |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:52 PM Response to Reply #41 |
49. No! I guarantee you that WY will go back to primaries once they do the math here. |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:48 PM Response to Original message |
42. Here's some numbers to contradict the title: |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:56 PM Response to Reply #42 |
51. You may retrieve the vote totals here if you are so inclined. |
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susankh4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:49 PM Response to Original message |
45. Waning interest in our BIG election |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 09:15 PM Response to Reply #45 |
69. It's not a waning interest at all. This level of participation in a national election is all but |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 09:16 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. Yeah, and it's amazing how these "unprecedented" caucuses represent around 10% of the pop. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 09:44 PM Response to Reply #71 |
78. I'm not trying to spin anything |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 10:06 PM Response to Reply #78 |
86. Wyoming's Democrats are highly outnumberd, but they come out in droves to vote. |
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Lucinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
50. Thanks for the info! |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 09:00 PM Response to Reply #50 |
59. I swear Washington had totals up on the night that they were coming in. |
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Lucinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 10:31 PM Response to Reply #59 |
93. It's entirely likley that you may have watched someone estimating the raw vote |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 10:32 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. Now that was a flamefest. :) |
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Lucinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 10:36 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. I expected to find that my monitor had turned into a gooey plastic blob |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 10:38 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. I could go for a hybrid caucus/mail in voter type system. |
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Lucinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 10:51 PM Response to Reply #96 |
99. That would be a good option for those who want to keep the caucus process |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:43 AM Response to Reply #99 |
103. I wonder how you weight a process where 90% of people can't participate equally, though. |
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Lucinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 10:57 AM Response to Reply #103 |
113. I'm actually not a big fan of weighting votes at all, I was |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 11:52 AM Response to Reply #113 |
115. I think runoff voting would solve all the problems. |
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woolldog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
56. Stop whining |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:59 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Not whining, the people whining are the ill informed ignormauses who insist... |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 09:02 PM Response to Original message |
60. Wyoming had a caucus in 2004 |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 09:04 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. The 59k number is still important. But it seems you are correct, it was state level stuff. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 09:05 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. that's my understanding too |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 09:07 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. I edited the post to represent the facts. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 09:14 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. Yep, me too. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 09:13 PM Response to Original message |
67. The caucusing system is a sham of epic proportions. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 09:56 PM Response to Reply #67 |
80. Primaries get less voters than the GE. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 10:04 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. I compared a state representative primary to a presidential primary/caucus. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 10:11 PM Response to Reply #83 |
88. Huh, that does seem odd. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 10:29 PM Response to Reply #88 |
92. Well, the 2004 primary wasn't a caucus, many more people could participate. |
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wileedog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:13 PM Response to Reply #67 |
126. They could have beenheard if they wanted to |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:17 PM Response to Reply #126 |
130. Nah, because of the 90% turnouts in 2004 we know WY dems are very political. |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 10:03 PM Response to Original message |
82. WY officially doesn't count. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 10:07 PM Response to Reply #82 |
87. Nope, I didn't say that. I am merely pointing out how it will take less precedence in the eyes of... |
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lastknowngood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 10:28 PM Response to Original message |
91. 2000 population 493000 59000 dems that leaves about 43000 repugs |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 10:57 PM Response to Reply #91 |
101. that math is very confusing |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
100. And the Wyoming Democratic Party selects its convention delegates by CAUCUS, not primary. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:44 AM Response to Reply #100 |
104. No, it is not irrelevant. It shows that WY dems will come out in large numbers to vote, but that... |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:52 AM Response to Original message |
105. You need to take your complaints to the WY democratic party bosses |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:55 AM Response to Reply #105 |
106. I'm merely pointing out facts that superdelegates will consider. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:59 AM Response to Reply #106 |
108. Exactly.. Once people have voted, they have done their part and what will be..will be |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 08:01 AM Response to Reply #108 |
109. Hey, that's a good argument for seating MI and FL. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 08:03 AM Response to Reply #109 |
111. depends on the "what will be" part |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 08:09 AM Response to Reply #111 |
112. All within the rules though! |
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lmbradford (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 11:39 PM Response to Reply #106 |
192. why worry about it right now... |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 01:25 AM Response to Reply #192 |
196. That doesn't dispute what I'm saying. |
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Gore1FL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:57 AM Response to Original message |
107. Fact |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 08:02 AM Response to Reply #107 |
110. If I have argued for changing the rules, it is only in the future. |
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Gore1FL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:36 PM Response to Reply #110 |
135. I though tit was to de-legitimize states |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:13 PM Response to Reply #135 |
150. Nah, merely to point out that they are not as representative as one would believe. |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
116. I think you are wrong about all of this. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:13 PM Response to Reply #116 |
127. It's not about "getting out the vote." It's about controlling the caucuses. |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #127 |
143. The primary is also about winning in the general election. |
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Frank Booth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
117. Are you claiming that there was |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:14 PM Response to Reply #117 |
128. No, I don't know how WY would have went. I'm merely pointing out that his "wins" aren't as dramatic. |
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Mooney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
118. Once again, |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #118 |
129. I've been complaining about them since 2000. |
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Melinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:48 PM Response to Reply #129 |
137. BS, josh, You began complaining on 1/18/08 and not before. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:19 PM Response to Reply #137 |
154. Are you sure it goes back that far? |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
119. Caucuses By Design Are Not The Will Of The People. They're Nothing More Than Entertainment. |
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Frank Booth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:18 PM Response to Reply #119 |
120. Why are they "not the will of the people?" |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #120 |
121. Seriously, Do You Not Know This? Can You Truly Not Figure This Out For Yourself? |
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Frank Booth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #121 |
122. Well, that's an informative post |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:09 PM Response to Reply #122 |
123. No. Seriously, Please, Educate Yourself. To Not Be Able To Answer That Question For Yourself Shows |
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Frank Booth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #123 |
142. Ok. That's another informative post. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 06:22 PM Response to Reply #142 |
145. Look. I Should Really Inform You To Something. |
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Frank Booth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 06:39 PM Response to Reply #145 |
146. Just more of the same. . . . |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:01 PM Response to Reply #146 |
148. If You Want To Educate Yourself You Have My Respect. If You Choose Intentionally To Remain Ignorant |
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Frank Booth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:11 PM Response to Reply #148 |
149. Thanks for another inadequate response (n/t) |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:25 PM Response to Reply #149 |
157. Well Maybe Next Time, You Won't Ask Such A Stupid Question With Such Transparent Insincerity. |
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Frank Booth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:35 PM Response to Reply #157 |
166. Or, maybe next time you'll actually answer a sincere question, instead of just calling me stupid |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:36 PM Response to Reply #166 |
168. I answered your question, you did not dispute it. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:48 PM Response to Reply #168 |
176. Bbbbbbut There IS No Answer! There Just Isn't!!! There Just CAN'T Be One! |
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U4ikLefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:41 PM Response to Reply #166 |
170. OMC is too busy shopping at WalMart. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:44 PM Response to Reply #170 |
173. Ugh, please don't dirty up my thread with your useless one liners. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:46 PM Response to Reply #173 |
175. But, Like, That's All He's Got. If You Take That Away From Him, He'll Cease To Exist LOL |
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U4ikLefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:12 PM Response to Reply #175 |
188. It looks like I really get to you eh OMC??? Good. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 10:24 PM Response to Reply #188 |
189. Are You Kidding? ROFLMAO! |
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U4ikLefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 09:02 PM Response to Reply #173 |
187. First off, this isn't YOUR thread joshCRYER. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 10:27 PM Response to Reply #187 |
191. Tell Me, What Is It About My Post That You Disagree With? Can You Provide Substance? |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:45 PM Response to Reply #166 |
174. Weeeeeeee. Weeeeeeee. Around In Circles We Gooooooo!!!!! |
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Frank Booth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 08:02 PM Response to Reply #174 |
179. OPERATIONMINDCRIME, don't you feel just a little feeble that |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 08:13 PM Response to Reply #179 |
180. He Did So Out Of His Own Choice. Personally, I Think You Are Old Enough To Not Be Spoon Fed, But |
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Frank Booth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 08:48 PM Response to Reply #180 |
185. So, you're saying that |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 08:51 PM Response to Reply #185 |
186. I Never Said Obama Has A Built In Advantage. |
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dchill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:19 PM Response to Reply #121 |
132. "When you have the mental preparedness and knowledge ... |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:18 PM Response to Reply #120 |
131. Because in a state with 90% turnout in 2004 for primaries, of the same people, only 10% showed. |
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dchill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:29 PM Response to Reply #131 |
133. 90% vs. 10% is, of course, a false comparison... |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:47 PM Response to Reply #133 |
136. It's not a false comparison because we know WY dems are willing to come out 90% in polls. |
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dchill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 02:17 PM Response to Reply #136 |
139. You don't really think that you just rebutted my post... |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:15 PM Response to Reply #139 |
151. That's not what's being compared. |
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dchill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:36 PM Response to Reply #151 |
167. Yes, it is, or I would not have said it. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:38 PM Response to Reply #167 |
169. You missed this part, selectively editing: |
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dchill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:51 PM Response to Reply #169 |
177. I KNOW it's in the damn topic heading, |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 01:30 AM Response to Reply #177 |
199. I'm comparing two different voter systems. |
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CampDem (364 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
134. Yes, we have very similar numbers here in Alaska |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 01:49 PM Response to Reply #134 |
138. Because caucus doors close after a certain time period, I'd be surprised if Alaska had a place... |
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awaysidetraveler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:58 PM Response to Reply #134 |
178. Jesus Christ! You had to walk four blocks in Alaska because of parking! |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
144. Caucuses require physical presence for your vote to count. Some, many voters cannot do that. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:16 PM Response to Reply #144 |
152. That's basically what I was noting, and pointing out that superdelegates aren't idiots and that... |
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book_worm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 06:50 PM Response to Original message |
147. give it up Obama has won as many primaries as Hillary. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:16 PM Response to Reply #147 |
153. I consider Obama a wonderful campaigner. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:21 PM Response to Original message |
155. Fact wrong Josh: in 2004, only 675 participated in the Dem caucus |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:22 PM Response to Reply #155 |
156. I am comparing the caucus to the primary. |
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HeraldSquare212 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:27 PM Response to Reply #156 |
158. Many of the superdelegates are from states that hold caucuses |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:30 PM Response to Reply #158 |
161. Absolutely, and if they're reasonable people and these sorts of things are pointed out... |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:27 PM Response to Reply #156 |
159. you're saying that the supers should overrule caucus results? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:29 PM Response to Reply #159 |
160. I'm saying they may lend less credence to these results. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:30 PM Response to Reply #160 |
162. changing the rules after the rules after the fact will seem to fly in the face of fairness |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 07:33 PM Response to Reply #162 |
163. I'm not arguing for any rules to be changed. |
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awaysidetraveler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 08:19 PM Response to Original message |
181. Those that voted in Wyoming do still matter and do count. |
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CampDem (364 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:56 AM Response to Reply #181 |
193. I wish Alaska would go Dem! There are twice as many registered |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 01:28 AM Response to Reply #181 |
198. I never said they didn't matter. I am merely saying they weren't represented as well as... |
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RBInMaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 08:26 PM Response to Original message |
182. Are you asserting Hillary would have won if WY was a primary? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 01:32 AM Response to Reply #182 |
200. No. Only that they weren't fully represented. |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-09-08 08:29 PM Response to Original message |
183. Thanks for the information |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 01:32 AM Response to Reply #183 |
201. Indeed. |
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cooolandrew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 01:25 AM Response to Original message |
197. Weren't there blizzards this weekend. |
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RichardRay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 08:31 AM Response to Reply #197 |
205. Clear as a bell, bright blue skies |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 03:17 AM Response to Original message |
204. Fact: Clinton supporters were equally free to participate in the WY caucuses |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 12:05 PM Response to Reply #204 |
206. Fact: This isn't about Clinton, it's about the disproportionate voter representation. |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-10-08 03:13 PM Response to Reply #206 |
207. As allowed in the DNC rules, and as the Wyoming Democratic Party .... |
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