Is Clinton counting on white supremacy to win?

[dailykoff]

I strongly suspect that she is. I heard an analyst on NPR this morning say that neither candidate can win enough pledged delegates to hit the magic number, and so Hillary's strategy for getting the super delegates to nominate her is to argue that Obama can't win the downmarket white and Latino vote she's supposedly attracting.

In other words, she's counting on people who would never vote for an African American. Apart from the fact that this claim is bullshit, can we allow a Democrat to continue running such a divisive national campaign? Basically it's the "southern strategy" Pat Buchanan cooked up to help Nixon win in 1968.

I see nothing coming of this but mutual destruction leading to a miraculous GOP victory next November. As many here have noted, that may well be the intention, as it would clear a path for another Hillary run in 2012.

Can anyone think of a way to stop these lunatics before they snatch defeat from the jaws of victory yet again? I sure can't.

:mad:

p.s. link to "End Still Not in Sight in Democrats' Nomination Race," the NPR story on today's Morning Edition:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=87974969

[LSparkle]

1. Not only white supremacy but Latino/Black distrust ...

Whatever it takes, sadly.

[Skidmore]

4. That, and fear and hatred of the Islamic world as well.

It is a campaign based on bigotry and fearmongering. We need no more of this in the nation.

[dailykoff]

17. Good point. Hatred, fear, and prejudice

strung together with lies are all that's keeping her campaign alive. She looks more like Bush-Cheney every day! :mad:

[leftynyc]

18. Are you saying

that Hillary is responsible for bigotry now? Or is merely pointing out that it exists racist itself?

[Skidmore]

27. Hillary is responsible for condoning and using bigotry

to conduct her campaign. No one is holding her responsible for the bigotry which exists of itself in the world. We are holding her responsible for turning using it as a campaign strategy and for giving protection to those who would engage in this sort of vileness.

[havocmom]

2. Those KKK types also chaffe at women in authority, so thinkin it backfires.

Her advisors can't see reality due to having their heads up their tushies

[Texas Hill Country]

3. It is political realism and demographic voting history.... she is just pointing it out.

[BklynChick]

7. but she's encouraging it but having her surrogates keep pointing it out, like Gov. in PA who I feel

like was giving people an out for saying they won't vote for Obama because he's black.

[woolldog]

10. by raising it as an issue

she is subtly condoning it, legitimizing it.

[leftynyc]

19. And if we all just ignore it

it will magically disappear?

I think both camps have jumped the shark at this point.

[woolldog]

36. It won't just disappear.

But it won't seem socially acceptable either. If the issue were being raised and condemned that would be one thing. But it's not brought up that way. It's brought up as just a reality, which, imo, legitimizes it, in a way.

[leftynyc]

38. I agree and disagree

I agree that it should never be used as a campaign strategy but I don't beleive that ignoring it is the answer. Real bigotry needs a bright light on it at all times because if you ignore it, it multiplies. I truly believe the only way Sen Obama can lose this election is if the bigots turn out in big numbers. I think this is still a horribly racist country and I'm afraid of being very disappointed in November to discover we haven't come as far as many apparently believe we have.

[newfie4]

14. bingo

[Skidmore]

20. Plenty of good Christian folk stood by and and put a happy face

of the acts of the nightriders, too. Bigotry is bigotry...no matter how much paint you put on it.

[BklynChick]

5. yes I believe she is and her surrogate are helping

[seriousstan]

6. I thought Ron Paul had the white supremacy vote wrapped up.

[bicentennial_baby]

8. Poorly phrased title

[Skidmore]

11. But a title that accurately reflects the mindset that

Hillary is appealing to.

[bicentennial_baby]

15. That may be so, but I find the title to be inflammatory

:hi:

[dailykoff]

24. My point exactly -- white supremacy is highly inflammatory

and dangerous. What I'm trying to explain is that the Clintons are playing with fire and it's in the best interest of the country not to mention the Dem party to stop them.

[Mags]

41. You guys are so desperate you will say anything. I've never

seen anything like the crap you all spew. slime, slam,insult, what ever comes in your minds to hurt someone. You all are sick

[burythehatchet]

9. She's got the uneducated white racist over 80 vote all wrapped up. n/t

[blocker]

13. And she knows it!

[joeybee12]

12. Another bozo hoping to find racism where it doesn't exist. Is there

some sort of sexual thrill you get from this crap?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

16. !

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[leftynyc]

21. Racism doesn't exist???

Where are you from? I want to go there.

[dailykoff]

48. "Imaginary hip black friend" is not racist?

"shuck and jive" is not racist? The Clintons have been setting their phasers on KKK since Iowa. :shrug:

[AlCzervik]

22. Eeeeeeeekkk!

[Nine]

23. Link please?

Who is this analyst you heard on NPR and what evidence does he offer that this is her strategy? I could make just as ugly an assertion about Obama's campaign. Maybe I can argue that he's counting on the support of misogynists. Now all I need is some know-nothing talking head to go on the radio and suggest that and bingo! it's automatically true. :eyes:

This Clinton(s) = racists thing is the ugliest and most ridiculous idea I see around here, and I am so sick of it.

[dailykoff]

30. "End Still Not in Sight in Democrats' Nomination Race"

Election 2008
End Still Not in Sight in Democrats' Nomination Race
by Steve Inskeep and Mara Liasson

Morning Edition, March 7, 2008 · Sens. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are not slowing down on the campaign trail. Neither candidate will have enough pledged delegates to guarantee the nomination, no matter what happens in Wyoming on Saturday, in Mississippi on Tuesday or even in Pennsylvania next month.

NPR national political correspondent Mara Liasson talks with Steve Inskeep about the worries that have sprung up among Democrats about a drawn-out race.

link: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=87974969

[Nine]

42. Then you are flat out lying.

Where does it say this?

"Hillary's strategy for getting the super delegates to nominate her is to argue that Obama can't win the downmarket white and Latino vote she's supposedly attracting."

Admit it. You just made that up.

[dailykoff]

46. Listen to the story.

You have to click the "listen now" link to hear it. NPR doesn't post the transcripts that I know of.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=87974969

[Nine]

51. OK, I listened.

And I still didn't hear any proof.

[Saturday]

25. And what exactly is Obama counting on to win?

80% to 90% of the Black vote? Your post is ridiculous but Obama supporters love the divisiveness of your words. But I don't think your candidate does.

[dailykoff]

34. He's counting on something better than racism.

He's calling it hope and you're sneering at it, but it's a vision of a future most people want to see.

[Kermitt Gribble]

26. No.

But I'm willing to bet the GOP is. I come from a rural town in PA - if you don't think race is an issue anymore, I can tell you, in rural PA, sadly, it is.

Can Obama overcome this if he's the nominee? I think he can and will with the great organization he's put together.

[LanternWaste]

28. I imagine...

I imagine Clinton is counting on racists to win no more, nor no less than Obama is counting on sexists to win.

(I can say that with a straight face because I haven't cast either candidate as a god or a demon)

[Catherine Vincent]

29. Sigh!

Disgusting post.

[TheDebbieDee]

31. Is Obama counting on the rising tide of sexism to win?

Fair is fair!

:mad:

[dailykoff]

35. Have you seen any evidence that he is?

I sure as heck haven't. :shrug:

[John Q. Citizen]

40. No, he had up until today one of the foremost women thinkers on his staff. Hill demanded she quit.

DEMANDED!

That Hill is so good for women.

Unless they call Hill a name on a book tour. Then "Off with their heads!

[WolverineDG]

32. Expand that to include pandering to racism

in the Latino community. Note: I know not all Latinos are racist, but here they pandered to the ones who are in the Spanish media. See my journal for further info as to how far they took it & note that the person who made the comments is still with the campaign & appeared on stage with Bill 2 days after his racist remarks were pubished.

dg

[Catherina]

33. I hope she's counting on it. That one's backfiring too.

The New Republic

Post-racial
by Michael Crowley

Even white supremacists don't hate Obama

Post Date Wednesday, March 12, 2008

David Duke was on the phone, talking about Barack Obama. Yes, that David Duke: After a query lodged at his website, the infamous ex-Klansman had responded via a mysterious e-mail address--he appeared in my inbox as "info45." (Duke regularly changes address to combat hate mail--the kind he doesn't like, that is.) Duke said he was traveling in Europe, where he often meets with fellow Holocaust deniers, and agreed to discuss the possibility that the United States might soon elect a black president.

Putting it mildly, one would not expect Duke to applaud this development. During Jesse Jackson's 1988 presidential campaign, after all, Duke said Jackson's election "would be the greatest tragedy ever to befall this country." Warning that "the white majority in this country are losing their rights," Duke announced his own counter-candidacy, one whose main purpose seemed to be hounding Jackson.

Yet, far from railing at Obama's rise, Duke seems almost nonchalant about it. Self-described white nationalists like himself, he explained cordially, "don't see much difference in Barack Obama than Hillary Clinton--or, for that matter, John McCain." Sure, Duke considers Obama "a racist individual," citing his Afrocentric Chicago church. But soon the founder of the National Association for the Advancement of White People was critiquing Obama as overhyped and insubstantial in terms you might hear from, say, Clinton strategist Mark Penn. "They say he's for change. What change? He's become almost a cult figure. I don't see any shining light around Obama's head. I don't see any halos," Duke said.

Sure, we may not see David Duke strolling around with The Audacity of Hope under his arm any time soon. But his mild tone is still a curious reaction to what white supremacists have long considered a sign of racial apocalypse. "Does Race Still Matter?" asks the latest issue of US News & World Report, which features Obama on its cover. Undoubtedly, it does. But, thus far, Obama is largely delivering on his promise as a post-racial candidate--and hilariously confounding the worldview of white supremacists at the same time.

After Obama won the Iowa caucuses last month, Mark Potok, a researcher at the Southern Poverty Law Center, decided to survey the latest writings of the major right-wing hate groups he regularly monitors. How would America's vilest race-mongers respond to a black candidate's victory in a white Midwestern state? Again, the response was counterintuitive. "It was extremely weak," Potok says. "You could find people saying nasty words about Obama, but it wasn't red-hot at all."

That has remained the case even as Obama has become the front-runner. On several websites, forums, and online journals that promote the view of white superiority over blacks--the types of outlets that rejoiced over Hurricane Katrina and the destruction of the Lower Ninth Ward--there is precious little discussion of Obama's campaign. The day after Obama's blowout win in Wisconsin, for instance, the home page of the poisonous Vanguard News Network featured stories on Serbian nationalism, home schooling, Holocaust-denial, and Pat Buchanan--yet nothing about Obama. It turns out that, although the white right certainly has no love for Obama, its hatred of him is muted--and directed less at Obama himself than at other nefarious forces behind him.

(snip)

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=907272c4-54db-4fba-9149-e95b7293d6a0


It looks like she can only count on support from the racists who don't wear sheets, like the ones we have here who cloak racism under complaints about the "over allocation to black areas of delegates".

[JackORoses]

37. She plays on all the divisions. Equal opportunity bigotry.

She has played Whites vs Blacks
Women vs Men
Christians vs Muslims

What's next Hillary? Is Obama too skinny? Too tall?

[dailykoff]

39. Absolutely. Reaching out to everybody's inner reactionary bigot.

Latins vs. Africans too. Thoroughly disgusting campaign.

[anonymous171]

43. Triangulation, the only game the Clintons can play.

[AX10]

44. Obama and company painted HRC as a racist...

to solidify the black vote behind him. He is the one using race to win.

[anonymous171]

45. They reversed it because the Clintons were trying to paint him as "the black candidate"

Don't blame Obama when it's simply the Clinton's own attack backfiring.

[aquarius dawning]

47. How did they do that exactly?

[ContinentalOp]

49. Seriously?

"Jesse Jackson won South Carolina in '84 and '88. Jackson ran a good campaign. And Obama ran a good campaign here." - Bill Clinton

[jackson_dem]

52. Bull. The 0bama campaign played the race card starting in NOVEMBER of 2007

And it paid off. He is now getting 88% black support.

[madrchsod]

50. the aryan nations types who vote

would`t vote for either. most of these guys and gals do not vote. if they do it will be the geezer or ron paul

[jackson_dem]

53. Is Hill getting 88% white support?

The candidate who is using race to win 0bama and the results back this up. Look at the exit polls for South Carolina, Alabama, Georgia, and Louisiana. He is now doing the same in Mississippi where he is getting 71% black support and Hill 66% white support (both barely crack the double digits with folks of the other color). Each state that has voted on racial lines has went for 0bama and his campaign knew this would happen when they decided on a racial strategy in November of 2007.

[dailykoff]

54. You mean is 88% of her support white?

I imagine it's not far from that. There are a lot of reactionary white voters.

[jackson_dem]

56. I doubt it. Her white support is probably on par with the white % of the general population

Hillary "transcends" race and wins a variety of racial groups (whites, Latinos, and Asians, presumably also Native Americans). Obama wins one racial group (his own) and curiously the man who loses every other racial group now wins that one 88-12.

[VotesForWomen]

55. is Obama counting on male supremacy and anti-white racism? just asking. nt