It's sickening

[gaspee]

The things said on this board about Senator Hillary Clinton.

It's been getting worse and worse every day. It's absolutely sickening.

You people sound worse than the Freepers. If you have any doubt, go read one of their Clinton threads - they're not as hateful as this place.

I'm fed up. This board has completely jumped the shark. This is worse than an NFL board where Patriots and Jets fans go at it. It has about the same level as intellectual discourse as well.

Too bad the stakes are so high or it could be funny, this mass insanity.

I think I'll hang out in the lounge and at the groups. It's about the only thing a sane person can do these days and still come to what used to be the best political board on the net.

For all you people who think Clinton's a monster - try to remember that the two candidates are within 1/2 of one percentage point in the popular vote.

You may be living in this echo chamber where Clinton eats babies and boils kittens, but the rest of the country isn't.

[madaboutharry]

1. I think you need to step back and try

to objectively evaluate the tenor of her campaign over the past week. Perhaps some here are expressing themselves in an over the top manner and might have more crediblity if they didn't respond with name calling.

I am deeply offended by the things that Hillary has had to say over the past couple of days. She is damaging the democratic party.

[superkia]

39. You left out damaging the future of our children too and I would...

that would infuriate people. Some people think the country is headed in a terrible direction and it needs to be fixed this election cycle not the next. I agree with you on her campaign tactics are like gasoline being thrown on a match, first we are upset with her and then she dumps gasoline on the match so everyone looks at the fire instead of her.

[anamandujano]

43. Calling Obama on his nasty political tactics and ineptitude is helping the party.

The press isn't vetting the guy, so she has to.

[WTyler]

52. In what world

is saying John McCain would be a better president vetting? The woman chose the wrong primary to run in if she's going to say shit like that.

[scheming daemons]

2. Cultist

That's what you are. Hillary Clinton has surrounded herself with BAD people.

She either has extremely bad judgement, or she's a bad person herself.


...a monster, if you will.

[Bread and Circus]

3. Oh shut up...

No one on this board is going any lower than the standard Hillary Clinton has set for this campaign, and that's a really low standard.

If you want to improve the discourse in politics, start with your candidate and her trashy team of advisors and hold them to a modicum of decency.

[11 Bravo]

26. If a Clinton staffer had called Barack a "monster" you would have suffered a fecal hemorrhage ...

fainted, and then collapsed face-first in the resulting effluence. And on balance, that might not be a bad thing.

[Steeler1623]

4. It's sickening that she is saying McCain would be better than Obama

[Sparkly]

5. She didn't say he'd "be better."

Can we at least keep the facts straight? She said he has more experience.

[roguevalley]

24. and you don't see the commercial potential for that? she ENDORSED

him and if you wish to do semantics, it doesn't change a damned thing.

[TexasLady]

28. It is fodder for McCain

IF she becomes the nominee.

[roguevalley]

29. and against obama too. this is so bad. in all my life, and I'm old,

I have NEVER seen a dem do what she's doing. I cannot find words for the way I feel right now.

[Sparkly]

34. No, I don't.

She did not endorse him.

The RNC already knows that's how they'd run against Obama -- on experience. I think they'd rather have other people talking about it in their ads, and if they wanted to show HRC saying it, that'd only make her look bad, not Obama. People who want to vote for Obama already know he doesn't have as much Washington experience as McCain (and neither does Clinton, for that matter).

I wrote more here (although it quickly devolved!):
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4952561&mesg_id=4952561

[aquarius dawning]

36. she's right about that actually. Obama sucks.

[northernsoul]

6. I'm disgusted with the tenor from BOTH sides today.

I think this board is approaching rock bottom.

[lapfog_1]

7. Honestly, I don't think Hillary boils kittens, as far as I know.

And this is a Democratic reaction, not merely an Obama supporter reaction.

Hillary has gone beyond the pale. She has (3 times now) endorsed McCain over Obama...

That's not "hard politics"... that's not being a Democrat.

She could have said "I think I have more experience than Obama" or "I think I'm more qualified to be Commander in Chief than Obama"

What she said was "I think I'm qualified, and I *KNOW* John McCain is qualified, but Obama isn't qualified" (not a quote but the quotes are worse).

And that's simply not done.

[goodgd_yall]

8. I'm participating much less lately

But every so often I check in to see what's going on. I feel like I'm either in an insane asylum or an unsupervised Kindergarten class.

[musicblind]

47. hmm. maybe an unsupervised kindegarden class...

in an insane asylum!


Either way, you're right.

[atreides1]

9. It's called Zealotry

This is what happens when people become zealots, they attack anyone who disagrees with their agenda or beliefs.

Zealot:

1. one who is zealous, one who is full of zeal for his own specific beliefs or objectives, usually in the negative sense of being too passionate; a fanatic.

Notice the word 'fanatic', that's what we have two groups of fanatics tearing each other apart while the real enemy sits back and watches as his opposition becomes moot!

How can it be fixed, from what I've seen it can't, because no one really wants to fix it. Every time someone tries they get crucified and told how anything they have to say is inane.

Both sides have done rotten, lousy things to the other, and I think that they actually hate each other.

Nasty things have been said about both candidates, and neither one is perfect or pure, but the 'zealots' refuse to see the reality and continue to believe the myth.

"This is the west, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."

[dailykoff]

10. Shame on you Barack Obama!!

For making the Clintons show us how they make their sausage. Sometimes it's better not to know. :puke:

[FrenchieCat]

11. My days as a Democrat are numbered........

and the things that have been said about DUers by other DUers is simply another reason why.

We are allowed to discuss candidates to our hearts contents here, and so we shall.

What we are not allowed is to diss other DUer members for simply speaking their minds about political public figures, and this is according to DU rules.

Unfortunately, you have chosen to join the rank of DUers who believes that they have some kind of given right to judge the behavior of other DUers simply for doing what this political forum serves for during primaries.

So yes, I believe that you are in the wrong place, and believe that your departure will enable for others DUers not to have to defend their freedom to speak about political candidates on a political board.

Thank you for going elsewhere.

[11 Bravo]

27. Thus spake the voice of reason.

You had best hope that your candidate obtains the nomination. Otherwise, your impassioned paeans to DU and what it should be will need to be posted on another forum, because the bile you have been spewing here for weeks on end will no longer be tolerated.

[FrenchieCat]

31. Show me the bile of mine....please!

I do not show disrespect to those who don't call me names. However, when and if they do, I may respond in kind, as that would be expected.

So please find what you are speaking of and demonstrate that you are correct in your assesment of me.....personally, which appears to be what you have chosen to do.

Again, you are blurring the line between what is said about a candidate, and what is said about that candidate's supporters.

Please know that my candidate is preaching "Hope", not yours.

[Maven]

12. They've long surpassed the freepers.

If he gets the nomination this place will be permanently trashed.

[gaspee]

17. And what a surprise

Half the people responding are on ignore.

I can't understand the absolute hatred - and it is worse than the freepers. It's not sane (edited to add: they are insane as well.)

And I've never even been a strong Clinton supporter. I prefer her to Obama, but prefer Edwards to both of them. I'm a socialist at heart and I find her positions no different from Obama's.

And you're right. If (though probably more like when) he gets the nomination, this place is going to be much worse.

It's going to be funny watching the heads explode as the R's rip out his jugular.

The main reason I support Clinton over Obama is that I don't believe he can win the general but I do believe she can.

[anamandujano]

44. Their positions aren't really the same, although Obama likes to claim

they are.

I think that if he gets the nomination, most of them will disappear. We will get to see some of their heads explode, and I'm looking forward to it.

[musicblind]

48. If he gets the nomination... she is going to be his VP

and they will not be allowed to trash her anymore. It will be a fun site to watch as so many of them recieve tombstones.

[SammyWinstonJack]

13. K&R!

[Name removed]

14. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[gaspee]

23. That must have been posted

by someone I'm ignoring. My ignore list is very long these days. I'm beginning to wonder if it's even worth coming here.

I'm almost afraid what this place is going to be like when Obama loses the GE. I'm sure Senator Clinton will be blamed. It will be his fault and his alone, but she'll take the blame.

I think I'm going to go listen to my favorite Yoko Ono song "Woman is the Ni**** of the world"

[burythehatchet]

30. aren't you just the slicket little feline? Calling out another poster, against the rules

but then who gives a rats ass about the rules.

[anigbrowl]

15. Drop by the math forum while you're at it

It's not 1/2 a percentage point...it's 5%.

[VolcanoJen]

33. It's maddening, isn't it?

Joe Scarborough tried to claim the same crap the other day, and was bombarded by emailers about how shitty he was at basic math. He had to go back on-air and admit his complete incomprehension of third-grade arithmetic.

[zulchzulu]

16. Hillary Clinton has endorsed our opponent multiple times in the election

She is not on the side of Democrats. Game. Set. Match.

[Voice for Peace]

18. I don't think she eats babies or boils kittens.

I do think she is deceiving and manipulating the American people.
I do think she is making a joke of political integrity.
I do think she is damaging the chances of a democrat winning the whitehouse.
I do think she is acting like an egomaniac.

[gaspee]

21. And I honestly don't have a problem with that

I don't agree with you, but you are entitled to your opinion.

The over the top and incessant name-calling is what I have a problem with. The slander, the hatred, the irrational, frankly disturbing level of vitriol is what I see as the problem.

[Voice for Peace]

32. It's hard to spend much time here on GDP without getting in that kind of mood.

It's starting to drive me to drink, and my refrigerator burned itself out.
This can't be a coincidence.

[Skip Intro]

19. I can never tell if it is the HOPE or the CHANGE that motivates them to attack.

[musicblind]

49. hahahahahahahaha

good one! I've wondered the same.

[smiley_glad_hands]

20. Oh Please get over it. Go endorse McCain somewhere else.

Or invoke the name of Ken Starr. She is a monster.

[gaspee]

22. Did you fail logic class? n/t

[smiley_glad_hands]

25. Actually no, i got an A.

Was there logic in your post for me to analyze? She's endorsed mccain and called obama starrlike. I was never a strong obama supporter. But her actions of the past week have been low, very rove like.

She has done some despicable things, very monster like to me.

[Jamastiene]

35. Recommend #10 for you.

I couldn't have said it any better. :thumbsup:

[Orangepeel]

37. Sure it is. But you shouldn't deny that it happens on both sides.

There are more Obama supporters here than Clinton supporters, so in absolute terms the invective against Clinton is greater. Proportionately, it is at least as bad from both sides. That doesn't make it any less sickening, but it isn't just at Clinton.

(also, people on both sides are way too quick to cry "hate" at criticism of either policy or politics).

[redqueen]

40. Seconded.

Very well said. :thumbsup:

[GumboYaYa]

38. You reap what you sow.

[jsmirman]

41. I honestly find her behavior in the last few weeks to be "sickening"

It's really amazing what she's willing to do to win.

Her endorsement of the charades in Michigan and Florida is the absolute last straw. She's too smart to not know how stupid that is and how pitiful the arguments are in favor of that course of action.

[LulaMay]

42. Thank you....great post.

[JVS]

45. Waaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!

[musicblind]

50. See

...they like to give you examples to back up your claims! lol

[Name removed]

54. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[JVS]

55. LOL! You aren't being civil.

[Justitia]

46. Sorry, the Clinton Machine started this particular shitstorm. Now she has to suck it up. -eom

[musicblind]

51. I think the fact that you already have 17 recs says a lot more

than the nay sayers in this thread.

[Raine]

53. Also sickening is the things said about Obama

on this board, so don't pretend that Clinton is the only victim here.