Oh. I Get It, Now.

[tekisui]

I used to wonder why people strongly disliked the Clinton's.

I used to wonder why they were considered divisive.

I used to wonder why many feared to give them power.

[Bread and Circus]

1. I know now, too. I used to get into arguments with my friends in order to defend Clinton.

[tekisui]

2. As did I.

I have defended her many times. She makes it harder everyday.

[alteredstate]

23. I, too, defended Bill Clinton during the Travelgate/Monica debacles.

eom

[roguevalley]

27. When I think about the times me and my family defended them,

alienating friends and family, it boils my blood. They didn't deserve it.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

30. Me too. Of course we were all between a rock and a hard place then.

I remember having it pointed out a few times that I, as a feminist, should be scorning Bill Clinton for his loutish behavior, and his wife for enabling it. Did you know she called the women accusing Bill of harassment "trash"? I knew they had a point but the alternative, Newt Gingrich and the vast cabal of wingnuts trying to wage a coup against our democracy, was so much worse so I had to swallow my revulsion and defend the Clintons. And then GWB came along and made anything the Clintons did pale in comparison, so I continued to defend him against the attacks of Bushbot morans.

But now, with the Bush presidency drawing to a blissful close, and the Clintons acting like major horses asses to a legitimate Democratic candidate, the blinders are off.

:evilfrown:

[CitizenLeft]

3. yes.

Now we know.

From a Clinton supporter going all the way back to Bill's keynote speech in '88, it's a depressing thing to admit.

[madaboutharry]

4. I get it too now.

I spent so of my youth defending the Clintons. I feel snookered. Hillary Clinton and the hatchedmen around her have been a crushing disappointment.

In January, when I was still undecided I contributed to her campaign. I just sent an email asking for my money back.

[The_Casual_Observer]

5. Just now came up with this? After slamming Hillary for months?

Was the other just for sport, now you are taking a more analytical approach?

[tekisui]

8. I know, huh? Always, she finds a new low.

Their scorched earth tactics are an embarrassment.

I wouldn't say I've slammed Hillary for months. I've defended many things. I've pointed out disagreements, and argued for who I think is the better candidate. I don't call Hillary's supporters or her names.

I now understand the meaning of the word divisive and "high negatives".

She leaves an increasingly bad taste in my mouth.

I use to dismiss the "electability" meme. I felt both both our candidates were electable and fit to serve and would be fine Presidents.

Now, I am not so sure that Hillary Clinton has the ability to overcome her "high negatives". If she is nominated, I will vote for her. But I hope I never have to face that.

[tekisui]

6. Four years of a CLinton Administration

would bring bully strong arming against the media(Shuster), against good Democrats(Power) and against the American People.

All for political gain. The sooner she exits the National stage, the better.

[nutsnberries]

7. "All for political gain." Summed up, right there.

[MindMatter]

19. Political gain is not in itself a bad thing

if there is some greater porpose. After all, political gain is how we accomplish big things in America.

The problem with the Clintons has always been that there is no greater purpose. The ambition was not as a means to an end. The ambition is the end. They don't have any greater goals. That's how Bill could end up destroying himself for some blowjobs. For the life of me, I don't see how a President could ever have an idle second for that kind of nonsense.

[ClayZ]

9. In order to get to the Obama Camp,

one has to pass through Clintonville and spend some time there watching.

[tekisui]

10. I've seen enough to know I've seen enough.

[yardwork]

11. I'm beginning to get it, too.

[Tennessee Gal]

12. The Clinton administration was 8 years of peace and prosperity.

I am so disgusted to see the attacks upon them both here now.

[yardwork]

13. I agree that the Clinton years were good in many ways.

I will still vote for Hillary over any Republican. However, I'm not pleased with the way she's been running her campaign in the past couple of weeks.

I've been critical of Obama as well.

[tekisui]

14. I am disgusted by her campaign.

I was an ardent Clinton supporter through his Presidency and her Senate terms and even her entering the race. I was amenable to her candidacy as my first choice candidates dropped out. Then I got to see how they run when they are losing. The past few weeks, I have see them in an entirely different light. I am no longer proud.

[ClayZ]

20. "Had" is the key word. Then is then and now is now.

It is time for NEW politics. It is simple. The attacks are from the collective.


Slings and Arrows are warning signs.


They should have quit while they were ahead.


Use a casino as a metaphor.

[Whisp]

21. not for the people of Iraq, and that Sudan bombing...

and the people of East Timor. and gawd knows where else.

oh, and Kosovo (which was basically an IMF 'structural adjustment' job.)
I remember billy talking just after the columbine shooting - that kids should learn that violence does not solve problems...
:puke:

but as long as your american ass is safe and comfy and your have your 'team' on the throne, all's good, right?

[Laurab]

25. Perhaps if Hillary Clinton spent more time on that

and less time trying to destroy the person who is most likely going to be the dem candidate, the attacks would not be here. Perhaps if Hillary Clinton did not stoop as low as she has, all for power, there would be no attacks. Maybe if she didn't just about endorse the repuke candidate for president...I could go on and on. She deserves the attacks.

Had Hillary run a clean campaign, she would still have my respect and my vote, if it came down to that. Her "do anything to win, including destroying the democratic candidate, and party" negates "8 years of peace and prosperity" for me. She has shown herself to be someone I do not want to lead this country, and she's done it all by herself, with a little help from her husband, and her surrogates.

She is now a disgrace to the party. I am ashamed that I voted for her to be my senator. I won't make that mistake again.

[WDIM]

26. Peace and Prosperity?!

Tell that to the people Clinton Killed in Iraq, Sudan, Yugoslavia. Allowed to be killed in Rwanda. Tell that to the people of 9-11 though he had 8 years after the 1993 Bombing of the WTC. He never tracked down or stopped Al-Qaeda. Maybe peace and prosperity for you but that is a pretty selfish world view.

[Lerkfish]

28. um, no not exactly, that's revisionist history

nonpeace:

Kosovo/serbia/yugoslavia
Somalia
Afghanistan
The first WTC bombing
the Cole
Sanctions against Iraq

nonprosperity
NAFTA
abolition of constraints on media ownership


Now, I"m not laying all these things at Bill's feet necessarily, but to claim it was all peace and prosperity is looking at the past through rose-colored glasses.

[Tesha]

29. DOMA, NAFTA, the Telecommunications Deregulation Act, etc.

I.e., sell-put after sell-out to monied Republican
interests.

(And, oh yeah, the death of a half-million or so
Iraqi kids thanks to the Clinton-supported embargoes.)

Tesha

[XemaSab]

15. I'll do you one further and say that now I understand why they were thought to be

ruthless and willing to say or do anything. :(

[tekisui]

16. It is clear, now.

[Medusa]

17. Me too.

I can't believe the time and energy I spend in defending them in the past. No more. Never again. Turns out that 99.9% of what the GOp said about them was true.

[Zynx]

18. I'm wondering how long it is until people here completely jump the fence

and become a bunch of Limbaugh listeners while we're at it.

[tekisui]

22. I would still vote for her as a nominee.

I won't listen to Limpballs or ever vote for a puke. That is what is so disheartening. Real Democrats, not to say that you and Hillary's supporters aren't that, are being wounded.

I don't think Hillary's tactics are benefiting the Democratic Party or the Progressive cause. I don't want to see the Clinton campaign this way, but it gets to a point where it is beyond fighting hard, to wounding our own team.

[shrub chipper]

24. so they can hear Bill Clinton?

who was campaigning on Limbaugh this week.


They will say or do anything to get power.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

31. Bill Clinton was on Limbaugh?!?!