Is Pennsylvania Proud to be a Hillary State? and what does that mean exactly?

[FrenchieCat]

I'm trying to figure out how Pennsylvania is a Hillary state?

Hillary has never been anyone known as pro labor. Look at Nafta and her stint at Wal-Mart.

Hillary has never been "steely". She's a senator from New York.

Hillary has never done well in Health care reform or Education. See her Failed Health Care reform and her how, as First Lady of Arkansas, she lowered the ranking of the schools there.

Hillary has never been pro-Children, which is why she had a major fall out with The Children's Defense Fund founders.

Hillary is Corporate, which is why she takes Corporate contributions and say that lobbyists are people too.


So what is it about Pennsylvania that makes it a "Hillary State"? :shrug:

[Yael]

1. We have the largest per capita of elderly of any state in the US

But don't count us out...

[Blondiegrrl]

8. Are you sure about that? I'm pretty sure West Virginia can lay claim to

the oldest of the old farts.

/West Virginian by birth, not by choice

[Divernan]

52. Just in terms of absolute numbers, it's PA ist & then Florida.

But a lot of our elderly are in the GOP parts of the state and we don't have crossover voting in primaries.

[FrenchieCat]

11. But why would the elderly

like Hillary so much? What has she done for them? :shrug:

[scheming daemons]

15. Elderly whites = non-tolerant of non-whites

Racist upbringings die hard.


The under-50 crowd doesn't "see" race. The over-50 crowd has had it ingrained in them their whole lives. Trust me... I live in PA and every "elder" in my family is a freaking racist.

[FrenchieCat]

26. Are they proud of this?

Does it help them in their lives? :shrug:

[wisteria]

29. You can't use the race card just because older people don't support Obama.

I am an Obama supporter and I think older people are more cautious and afraid of change. Obama has got to continence them that he is strong enough to be a Commander in Chief. He has a lot of time to get the older people comfortable with him.
Also, I know of several 60+ Pa voters who are going to vote for Obama. Please don't accuse everyone of racism just because they have some doubts about Senator Obama.

[Tarheel_Dem]

23. Well, Ed Rendell put it out in the universe that PA whites wouldn't

vote for a black man. I guess it's working. I am so over the Clintons and their sycophants. I think Obama will recover some of his MO before the race moves to PA.

I have a huge family in Philly and Pittsburgh, and they plan to repay Gov. Rendell in kind.

[FrenchieCat]

28. So this is a Hillary state because a lot of Democrats in that state

are racists, or are buying Rendell's talk that he thinks that they are?

Isn't he Jewish? And if so, why would he say something like that? What would be his motive?
Aren't Democrats supposed to care about people?

[Tarheel_Dem]

32. It's puzzling isn't it? My Repub co-workers have asked me for

years why we (African Americans) are so loyal to the Democratic Party, and I thought I knew the answer, but my eyes have been opened for good now, and it's not pretty. I, personally, thought the Dixiecrats were all down here (No. Carolina), and had turned Repubican a long time ago.

I'm afraid I can't answer your questions because I don't know the answers either. :shrug:

[FrenchieCat]

39. Wasn't PA a "free" state? They haven't gotten over

prejudice to the point that they just simply don't like Black people....just cause? :wow:

That's truly disgusting!

Why are these people Democrats? Or better yet, why am I?

[Tarheel_Dem]

47. very good questions....

"Why are these people Democrats? Or better yet, why am I?" and these are questions a lot of us are asking ourselves lately. If there's no difference in the parties, maybe it really is time to start looking elsewhere? I don't know what the answer is, and that scares the crap out of me. I'm not sure of a lot of things, but I always thought I was always sure that I belonged in the Democratic Party.

When racist posts first began surfacing here at DU, I initially dismissed it as newbies trying to stir up doo-doo, but I've seen long time donors to this board make some pretty racist statements here. Color me shocked.....

[Divernan]

53. Rendell is hot to be HRC's VP & that's his entire motivation.

[wisteria]

34. Rendell thinks he lives in TN. PA is not a racist state. Many of our leaders are black

and other minorities. He was trying to spin this for Hillary, by comparing his recent race for reelection and his black opponent-Swann to what would happen if Obama is our candidate. Only trouble is that Swann was really bad and very much inexperienced. The only thing he had in common with Obama was the color of his skin. Rendell is from the old school of politics- the kind Obama is trying to change so that our party can progress. Gov. Rendell is a decent guy, but he still believes that he has to keep the fact that he is jewish quite because people would not vote for him simply because of that fact.

[Tarheel_Dem]

43. that's so sad...

that he would feel he needs to conceal his true identity, i sense some self-loathing in that. And you're right about Swann, black people would not have voted for Swann in significant numbers because of his party affiliation, and he sounded too much like Bush. My PA family admire Swann, but not his politics. That's the problem with black Republicans, but that's a whole different kettle of fish. I do, however, think that depending on the outcome of this race, there will be a serious realignment of the Democratic Party no matter who wins the nomination, and that makes me sad.

[Divernan]

57. K. Leroy Irvis, 1st AFRICAN AMERICAN SPEAKER OF A STATE HOUSE IN THE US

Known as "The Lion of Pennsylvania." And Rendell damn well knows that many blacks have been elected to all kinds of public office in PA, particularly in the Dem strongholds of Pittsburgh and Phillie.


GOV. RENDELL ORDERS FLAGS FLOWN AT HALF STAFF IN HONOR OF SPEAKER LEROY IRVIS; COMMENTS ON HIS PASSING
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Gov. Edward G. Rendell, D-Pa., issued the following press release:

Gov. Edward G. Rendell today ordered U.S. and Pennsylvania flags under the state's jurisdiction be flown at half staff to honor former Speaker of the House of Representatives K. Leroy Irvis, who died this morning. The flags will fly at half staff until Irvis' interment.
The Governor and his wife, Midge, expressed their
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[Divernan]

58. ROBERT NIX, JR., FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN CHIEF JUSTICE OF A STATE SUPREME COURT

He served as justice of the state Supreme Court for TWENTY FOUR YEARS

and CHIEF JUSTICE OF THE PENNSYLVANIA SUPREME COURT FROM 1984 TO 1996 - TWELVE YEARS.
Note that Fast Eddie Rendell is full of shit about Pennsylvania never electing blacks. Supreme Court justices are ELECTED not appointed.

PENNSYLVANIA HAS NEVER ELECTED A FEMALE GOVERNOR, A FEMALE UNITED STATES SENATOR, AND TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE A FEMALE U.S. REPRESENTATIVE. THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A FEMALE CHIEF JUSTICE OF THE STATE SUPREME COURT. So I'd say a black candidate has a greater advantage than a female candidate. As to older voters, they are as likely to dislike "pushy career women" as much as a black, and think a man should be in charge.

Robert N. C. Nix, Jr.
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This article is about the Pennsylvania Supreme Court justice. For the first African American congressman from Pennsylvania, see Robert N.C. Nix, Sr..
Robert Nelson Cornelius Nix, Jr. (July 13, 1928 - August 23, 2003) served as the Chief Justice of the Pennsylvania Supreme Court from 1984 to 1996. <1> Nix was the first African American Chief Justice of any state’s highest court, and the first African American to be elected to statewide office in Pennsylvania.<1> He served as a justice of the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania for 24 years, 12 of which were as chief justice, and was a prominent figure in Pennsylvania law and public service for more than three decades.



Personal life
Nix was born in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania on July 13th 1928.<1> He was the son of Robert N.C. Nix, Sr., the first of Pennsylvania's African Americans in the United States Congress and a powerhouse among city Democrats.<2> Nix’s grandfather was Nelson Cornelius Nix, who was born into slavery but eventually became a minister and an academic dean of South Carolina State College at Orangeburg.<2>

Nix was a 1946 graduate of Central High School,<3><4> a 1950 graduate and valedictorian of Villanova University,<1> and a second-generation graduate of the University of Pennsylvania Law School.<2> He was also a postgraduate of Temple University for Business Administration and Economics. <5>

[Divernan]

60. RONALD DAVENPORT, BLACK DEAN OF DUQUESNE UNIV. LAW SCHOOL

Ron Davenport Jr. and Susan Austin: At Sheridan Broadcasting, It's A Family Affair (03/07/05)
By Reed Bunzel, Editor-in-Chief

Thirty-three years ago, Judith and Ronald Davenport Sr. founded what has grown into one of the largest African American-owned broadcasting companies in the United States. In 1972, while dean of the Duquesne University School of Law, Davenport Sr. and his wife formed a group to buy four radio stations; a few years later, the company purchased the Mutual Black Network, and moved its operations to Pittsburgh. Throughout the next several decades, the company expanded and flourished, while the Davenports became leaders in the Pittsburgh African American community.

During those years, Judith and Ron Sr. instilled in their children a sense of leadership, entrepreneurship and business acumen that now is being exhibited by Ron Davenport Jr. and Susan Davenport Austin. As a director and general counsel of Sheridan Broadcasting Corp., president of the Sheridan radio division and manager of affiliate relations for American Urban Radio Networks, Davenport Jr. oversees the entire operation of each station, including sales, marketing and programming. Susan Austin, who spent the past 10 years on Wall Street, serves as vice president of strategic planning as well as a director and treasurer of Sheridan Broadcasting Corp., and president of the Sheridan Gospel Network.

“We feel very fortunate,” Davenport Jr. says of growing up not only within the Davenport family, but also within the Sheridan Broadcasting environment. “Our parents worked very hard to create Sheridan Broadcasting Corp., and they gave us a solid foundation and tremendous educational opportunities.”

Those opportunities allowed Davenport Jr. to attend Yale University for his undergraduate work and Harvard Law School, while Austin earned her undergraduate degree from Harvard and an MBA from Stanford Business School. Another sister, who works in television, graduated from Princeton. “We hit the trifecta,” Davenport Jr. boasts. “But it's more than just the educational achievement; it's the desire for excellence and the opportunity to build on a foundation that we feel very humble to have had. We're standing on some great people's shoulders - people who were far smarter and far more capable than we ever will be, who never had the opportunities that we had. To be an African American family in business in the U.S., doing the things we've been able to do, we feel very fortunate,” he continues.

“Not only are we fortunate that our parents got into this business and are in the position that we're in, but we're in radio,” Austin adds. “By owning stations and networks, we have a tremendous opportunity to ensure that the voices of African Americans get heard. It's exciting, it's a tremendous responsibility and growing up around it has been a lot of fun. When you realize the power of radio and the opportunity you have as someone in the position of ownership - we're very lucky. Knowing that we can serve our community in this way is a great honor and responsibility.”

Sheridan Broadcasting today owns six radio stations, including WAMO-AM, WAMO-FM, WPGR-AM and WJJJ-FM in the company's home town of Pittsburgh; WUFO-AM in Buffalo; and WATV-AM in Birmingham. Sheridan also owns Sheridan Broadcasting Networks, Sheridan Gospel Network and Sheridan Production Services. Additionally, Sheridan Broadcasting Networks is the majority partner of American Urban Radio Networks, which is the largest and oldest African American-owned radio network in the U.S., with more than 300 radio station affiliates across the country.

Prior to joining Sheridan, Davenport Jr. was an attorney in the general counsel's office of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System. In addition to his corporate responsibilities, he serves on the boards of several civic organizations, including the Pittsburgh Cultural Trust, Pennsylvania Economy League-Western Division, Pittsburgh's National Aviary, Urban League of Pittsburgh, EcoLogic Development Fund and St. Edmund's Academy. He is married to the former Lynn Williams, with whom he has three children.

[ginnyinWI]

54. my theory is that to them she's better than a black man.

The over-60 crowd tends to be more racist, on average, especially among the less educated.

[MH1]

2. Demographics.

Older white voters, middle-aged lower socioeconomic class voters. Hillary's demo.

However as a Pennsylvanian, I am rather offended that anyone would call my state a "Hillary state." Not if I can f---ing help it.

[FrenchieCat]

6. So Pennsylvanian have lots of people that are uninformed

in other words, and don't really know her record?

That doesn't sound like something to be proud of.

Plus, Tweety keeps referring to Catholic voters.

Why would Catholic voters like Hillary more than Obama? I'm curious.

[Sebass1271]

10. I hope you do work your butt off for Mr. O

I will make calls from my home.. in Florida..

[FrenchieCat]

3. I'm waiting......

there's got to be a reason why.

[OhioChick]

4. This "Hillary State" is a bunch of BS.

Most of my family live in PA and despise her there.

Also.....Everything else you said was spot on. :thumbsup:

[still_one]

5. if hillary turns out to be the nominee, the country is going to get exactly

what it deserves either hillary or mccain

and I hope Ohio, Texas, and Florida enjoy it, because if they think their situation will get better, than had better think twice

[OhioChick]

7. "I hope Ohio, Texas, and Florida enjoy it"

I didn't vote for her, nor did anyone in my Family.

[still_one]

19. It was wrong for me to lash out against those states, because I know it

is economically tougher in those states than other parts of the country. It is just hard for me to believe that they put up with bush and the republicans for 8 years. Yes, I know 2006 was a turnaround, but it took illegal activities by the republicans in Ohio for that to happen

It isn't just those states either, it is the whole country that sometimes makes me shake my head

Sorry, I really don't wish anyone in ANY state misfortune, and I hope it didn't come out that way

[jackson_dem]

9. Simple: the real world doesn't view her as satan like the netroots does

They do view Obama as a saint, or at least did before the msm stopped sponsoring his candidacy last week. :rofl:

[FrenchieCat]

12. That's not the question.

Hope you can answer it.

[AX10]

21. The netroots are begining to look at extreme as right wing radio.

[Tarheel_Dem]

27. team hillary bullied the media, and they knuckled under...but if

you think they're done with her, you're woefully mistaken. The media is raking in huge sums of money due to increased ratings and advertising, and they want this horserace to last as long as possible. If it's true that they show preference to the candidate with the most money, then that's Obama hands down. Just wait until the coverage after WY & MS, you guys will be bitching at the media again soon enough.

He who laughs..............

[jackson_dem]

31. They aren't. The difference is Hill has proven she can win with the msm against her

Obama hasn't shown that he can win without overwhelming msm support. The msm was still negative toward Hill before 3/4. It is just that they stopped serving as Axlerod's mouthpieces for the first time.

No one will care about Wyoming and Mississippi outside political junkies. Besides, with 6 weeks until the PA primary if Obama does get a bounce it will dissipate in 6 weeks. The candidate who wins PA will be the one who runs the best campaign.

[Tarheel_Dem]

35. We shall see.........

The media loves a winner. Two more wins, are still WINS. I don't doubt that she'll win PA. But what does she actually win other than bragging rights? Obama is still accumulating delegates from TX & CA as we speak, and picking up SD's at what must be an alarming rate for Team Hillary. Except for her own vanity, I don't understand why she's still in it.

I think her ultimate goal is that if she can't win, she wants to damage Obama so badly that he doesn't win either. That way she gets to run again in 2012. Either way, she'll have torn apart the party, and will be despised even more than she is now.

[scheming daemons]

13. Lots of old, white, former-union folks.... high percentage of which are very racist.....

I've lived in PA my whole life. Outside of Philly, this may be the most racist state in the nation. Makes Mississippi in the 1960s look like freaking utopia.


The middle "T" of the state is full of redneck, 2nd-amendment fanatic, extra-y-chromosome nutjobs who HATE "people of color".

Allegheny County (Pittsburgh) has the oldest demographics of any county in the nation outside of Miami-Dade. Old white people tend to be more racist than young people.


Obama can win PA by getting HUGE HUGE HUGE turnouts in Philly..... and breaking even in Pittsburgh.


He WILL lose the middle "T".... but since the number of Democrats there is very small, and it is a closed primary... he may be able to pull it off.

[OnionPatch]

56. I lived on the border of PA and OH.

Pittsburgh was only 40 miles away and was the main city we went to for everything. I moved away long ago and lived all around the country and even overseas for a year. I still love my home and those two states fiercely, but to be perfectly frank, I have never seen such blatant racism as I experienced in my home state of Ohio and neighboring Pennsylvania. Even now when I go home I hear racial slurs used like they are household words. It always shocks me because I'm really not used to hearing that. I hate to say this about my home, but sadly, this is what I see. I had hoped they would be over all that by now but I do think it is still a factor in the politics there.

[Eurobabe]

62. I lived in SW Ohio, the most racist place in the US

Granted my stint was only 18 mos. but it was like living in another world.

thank GOD I blew that clam-shack and moved to Europe. :eyes:

[Major Hogwash]

14. It'll be another state that doesn't count. You'll see, in 6 weeks she won't have a chance.

There is no way Hillary can hide now.

The media is on to her "last minute" phone call ads, her "last minute" charges about NAFTA, her "last minute" complaints about Rezko.

Everything at Camp Hillary is "last minute".

Haven't you noticed that?
Because in a 24 hour news cycle, there isn't enough time to respond.

This is the same way they went after Kerry in 2004.

[peoli]

16. Lots of Zombies and Mongoloids there.

[AX10]

17. Your posting frenzy is moving into P2BA territory.

You are clearly worried.

[peoli]

18. where did that guy go? he was the most fervent Hill lover.

[FrenchieCat]

41. I am more like....disgusted!

:puke:


Really, really.

I haven't seen a candidate who calls herself a Democrat down in the cesspool to this level ever.

It makes her look ugly, even though physically she really isn't.

You better pray that she is not the candidate....cause come November, the Democratic party will be in shambles.

People don't forget, like she think they will.

Hillary is very short sighted, and that's not the kind of President we need. We have one of those now.

[flordehinojos]

20. hillary cares.

hillary cares for the american worker. she voiced her concern against nafta. she did not sign on to nafta. and she wants to modify nafta and bring home american jobs which have now left the nation and have hurt the american worker ... despite keith olberman's hot air and feigned rage.

the people of ARkansas love the clintons and arkansas' education took a turn upwards while bill clinton was governor of the state. hillary had a hand at passing a law that takes care of children's health.

hillary may have had a different viewpoint than that of Marian Wright Edelman ... however it does not mean that hillary was anti-child or that she was not pro-children.

and ... if hillary is Corporate, why did she dedicate 35 years of her life to working for the American people and on behalf of the American people?

So, what is it about Pennsylvania that makes it a "Hillary State?" They have the wisdom to know who Hillary is and the insight to read through smears, know that it is mud, and get to the truth shining on the other side of the smears.

[wisteria]

37. Hillary will care about anything that will get her elected.

as a Pennsylvanian I see right through her and intend to volunteer for and vote for Obama. I prefer his politics to hers any day.

[JimGinPA]

22. Hillary May Win The Popular Vote, But Not As Large As Her People Think...

She'll be lucky to net more than a handfull of delegates. I just got back from an Obama campaign meeting tonight and they're going on all over the state. Thousands of volunteers are coming in from other states between now and the primary. Stay tuned...

[wisteria]

24. It is spin and it is because Gov. Rendell supports her. They think he can help win it for her.

You see, he owes the Clinton's. Rendell's wife got a judicial appointment from Bill a while back and he is hoping for a cabinet appointment. I heard this over two years ago. The "old" party system in Pa is in place for her. But, it is questionable how Philly will vote and Pittsburgh. I have no intention of being "persuaded" into voting for her. I want "0" years more of the Clinton's and intend to do what I can to help Obama take PA. I will take honesty, integrity and a fresh start for this country any day over more years of the same old sleazy politics and fund raising of the Clinton's. Bill's charm has worn thin.

[Divernan]

64. How could I forget that Marge Rendell got her judicial appt. from Clinton?

My bad.

[tabasco]

25. My sister says she's voting for Hillary because she wants Bill back in the White House.

True story.

[FrenchieCat]

30. Did you explain to her about what that means?

Does she know about the Telecommunications act of 1996 and how it turned our cable news into a circus owned by the large networks, and have no boundaries? Does she know that is how Bill got himself impeached, apart from actually doing the dirty deed he said he didn't do? Does she remember NAFTA?

Where does your sister live?

[MrSlayer]

33. This blue collar, union member, Pennsylvanian is not for Hillary Clinton.

And the gap is closing. My union is seriously considering Obama, something that was unthinkable even three months ago.

[democrattotheend]

40. Which union?

Tell me it's steel and I will be very, very happy!

[MrSlayer]

46. I.B.E.W. Local 98.

I'm a construction electrician. Hope that's not too much of a downer.

[democrattotheend]

59. Nah, IBEW would be great too

Keep me posted on that!

[Cha]

36. And lest we not forget..

Will Smith is an Obama supporter from Philly! And I bet he has lots of friends back home in Philly. :)

[wisteria]

38. I think Philly will go for Obama- hands down. n/t

[MonkeyFunk]

42. She does very well

with the demographics found in PA. It's simple.

[FrenchieCat]

44. So she has the corner market of

those who are old and afraid of change
those afraid of Black people
those who believe that although he did everything against their own interest, like Bill
and those who don't know any better because they are not well informed?

Does that make up the majority of Pennsylvania Democrats or something? :shrug:

So these are the charecteristic that makes Pennsylvania a Hillary State? Sounds like a downer.


I'm glad I'm in the Obama group of those who are

Well educated
Young and enthusiatic about life
Understand exactly what Bill Clinton represents
Higher wage earners no minding if their taxes go up
and those who are enlightened and not prejudice and narrow minded.

That's something to rejoice about for Obama supporters.
That is a much more pleasant and upbeat demographic.

[MonkeyFunk]

45. Your blind hatred is making you even more insane

she does well with older voters, working-class people, lower-income people, women - you know - the party base.

[Tarheel_Dem]

48. people of color are part of the base as well...or they used to be

:shrug:

[FrenchieCat]

49. We are no longer in Fashion.......

We are no longer the part of the Democratic base. I figured that. :(

[Tarheel_Dem]

50. Fine by me....

Let's just see what happens when we start to vote in large numbers against them. I'm sorry, that's just how I'm feeling right now, and I'm not alone. To suddenly have to choose between the racist right, or the racist left doesn't seem like much of a choice.

Hey, I hear Cynthia McKinney's running as the Green Party nominee (joking). I would probably be laughing if I weren't so disappointed.

[MonkeyFunk]

55. I never said they weren't

but the Demographics of PA are better for Clinton.

PA has fewer African-Americans than the national average. It has more people 65 or older than the national average. It has more women than the national average. It has lower household and per capita income than the national average. It has fewer college-degree holders than the national average.

All of those facts make it more favorable for Clinton.

[ProSense]

51. Hillary Supporter Ed Rendell Pitches Hillary-Obama Ticket, Or Obama-Hillary

Hillary Supporter Ed Rendell Pitches Hillary-Obama Ticket, Or Obama-Hillary


Hell no, Ed!

[Tarheel_Dem]

65. May I join you?

HELL TO THE NAWWW! Let Hillary sink or swim on her own. I hope Obama doesn't wind up allowing himself to be used for so-called "party unity". No matter what the new media narrative is, Obama is still in the driver's seat.

[Eurobabe]

61. PA is NOT a Hillary state

Philly suburbs are going to break HARD for Obama.

[Divernan]

63. PA leads country in electing blacks to high state offices.

look at posts 57,58 & 60 above, please

We elected the first black Speaker of the House in the US
We elected the first black State Supreme Court Chief Justice in the US.
Phillie elected a black mayor.
We had a black dean of a major Catholic university law school

We have many elected black judges, male and female, at all judicial levels.

If Fast Eddie Rendell had decided to support Obama, Ed could have pointed out that PA must be sexist since we've never had a female speaker of the house or supreme court chief justice, or law school dean, or mayor of Phillie.

[ecstatic]

66. Well the governor himself pointed out that many Pennsylvanians

would not vote for a black man. Maybe "Hillary State" = "We'll even take Hillary before a black man state"