When Lieberman Paraded on Stage with McCain, It was a HUGE slap to us all.

[Kittycat]

We spent days carrying on about it. It was just wrong. Lieberman became a traitor to our party before that, but it was the ultimate slap that a so called, "democrat" (which he still claimed to be) would support a Republican over a Democrat, under any circumstances in contest.

Yet here we are with HRC, and her multiple attempts to promote McCain over Obama. Yet her supporters see no outrage. They see nothing wrong with it.

Are you a democrat first? or a Clinton Supporter first? That's a serious question. Party before politician?

I'm so ashamed of some of my fellow "progressives". People I really respected defending her behavior. It's just not something you can defend, please don't even try. Every defense of this is a slap in the face of all of us for what we've been through the past 7 years, everything we've worked for. I hate even saying it, but you're better off just letting it sink - but don't defend it.

[kikiek]

1. So was this Obama Endorses Lieberman for Senate

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2006/04/02/164/90446

[thunder rising]

5. This would be a Hillary spin on reality above. Obama endorsed Lamont

http://action.credomobile.com/sirota/2008/03/the_clintonlieberman_connectio.html

Clinton was actually even more brazen than Lieberman. Not only did she lie about her record, she actually went on the offensive attacking Obama over the very trade deal she has long championed, "rais doubts about whether he was committed to reworking NAFTA," as the AP noted. To use the Lieberman-Lamont analogy, that's would be like Lieberman not only pretending to be against the war, but actually attacking Lamont for not opposing the war more strongly. Even Lieberman wasn't cravenly dishonest enough to do that - but Clinton was.

[kikiek]

7. No it is true if you read the link Obama's speech said to send him back to Washington.

[anigbrowl]

27. In april; by october he endorsed Lamont

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/27/ap/politics/mainD8L0MB280.shtml

[Kittycat]

6. And Bill had a fundraiser for him.

That was also before the bottom dropped out of the lieberman bucket.

[kikiek]

9. Hello...Bill isn't running. Obama is. Trying to change the topic again.

[Kittycat]

13. Why don't you?

We're talking about McCain, and her support of him.

[anigbrowl]

26. Obama endorsed Lamont in October 2006.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/27/ap/politics/mainD8L0MB280.shtml

[olkaz]

30. Nice smear; He endorsed Lamont

God you people are low.

[kikiek]

37. No he didn't. He endorsed Lieberman. They don't get any lower than flip flopper Obama.

Or his followers.

[KAZ]

38. No asshole, he backed him in the primary, like most Dems

He supported Ned in the GE. But you knew that, didn't you, asshole.

[kikiek]

39. Yeah that is mature. Anyways as he does many things he flip flopped. But he did endorse LIeberman.

[KAZ]

40. Yeah, it was immature. Sorry for the name-calling. n/t

[thunder rising]

2. Hillary Clinton no longer a Dem, it's time she learned the Zell Miller rule.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOytXkCw0NY

[MoJoWorkin]

18. I agree.

Her constant praise of McCain as being the only other qualified candidate is not much different than standing behind McCain on stage as Lieberman did. They stripped him of his Super Delegate status (Zell Miller rule) so lets go one step further.....

Strip her of her candidacy, for she no longer is a Democrat!

[AtomicKitten]

31. She needs to be fitted for a pink tu-tu.

[Thurston Howell III]

3. What makes me more sick is when the Democrats applauded him

when the 110th Congress was sworn in. They honest to God believed playing nice with him was going to make a difference!!

[DJ13]

4. Hillary's supporters like her Rovian Republican campaign style

I think they suffer from the political equivalent of the Stockholm Syndrome.

[IsItJustMe]

24. Never thought of that possibility, but there it is.

[Flabbergasted]

8. Actually I think they do see outrage but such an admission is tantamount

to total defeat.

[Kittycat]

11. See, I can accept that - but I can't accept defending it.

[Bluebear]

10. Joe Lieberman's a man with a good heart, with a keen intellect, who cares about working families

-- Barack Obama

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2006/04/02/164/90446

[Kittycat]

14. And HRC supports both Lieberman & Promotes McCain over a Dem Prez Nominee.

ETA: Answer the charge in the OP or slink away.

[Bluebear]

25. What's this "slink away" shit? Why so crabby?

Frankly, you can keep both HRC and Obama. I voted Edwards :hi:

[Hieronymus]

12. It appears that Hillary is campaigning to be McCain's VP.

[Kittycat]

15. I guess I can take some solice in the lack of response by HRC supporters.

[Flabbergasted]

16. A lot of SD are looking at her and wondering: "What The Fuck is She Doing?"

This is just unheard of. It implies something other than just a win for the party but a win for the Clinton's themselves. Dem Reps are not going to look kindly upon being thrown under the bus. She's risking everything to win.

My guess: (Not worth a shit but...) "This is the last straw. She's done."


On edit: Her pride is in the way of this. She is lying awake at night saying to herself: "I cannot be defeated by this youngster after the advantage I've had. I'll be a laughing stock for a generation."

[IsItJustMe]

22. I think anyone that gives a damn about this party is seriously asking themselves WTF?

[Tom Rinaldo]

17. McCain has better credentials, that doesn't mean he will be a better President

I will make this simple. I think Obama will make a better President than McCain but I think McCain makes a better candidate than Obama. I think McCain's credentials make it easier for him to win over undecided voters than do Obama's credentials. I do not think McCain is more qualified to be President than Obama, I think his surface credentials are more impressive and that puts us at a strategic disadvantage in the General Election if Obama is our candidate.

Does that mean I just endorsed McCain for President?

Obama's "credentials" are the main reason why I don't back him in the primaries. That is the honest truth, and if I feel that way I know that others do also. However I would much rather support someone with good instincts and little seasoning than someone with a decades long resume who is on the wrong on the issues. I know McCain sees the world in ways that will lead him to make choices I disapprove of, so I will not support him no matter what his credentials are.

But since Democrats first started debating our potential candidates, I have known Obama would not be my preferred candidate because his "credentials" in my opinion are weak. I have said that repeatedly on this board and elsewhere, and it is fine with me that others disagree with that, it still is my opinion. And it is a reason why I have argued against voting for Obama in the primaries. It is a reason Clinton gives also for not voting for Obama in the primaries.

McCain will be quite capable all on his own of pointing out the experience gap between him and Obama. It can't be countered on the basis of any argument based on experience. It can only be countered on the basis of policies advocated and comparitive judgment.

[Kittycat]

19. He has more "credentials" than Bill does. And she DOESNT have the cred.

No security clearance, wife of a president doesn't give her credentials. Obama has more legislative experience than she does.

[Tom Rinaldo]

21. Let him make that case then. This is the primaries n/t

[Flabbergasted]

20. Tom the issue is that you just don't throw your party under the bus

by saying your opposition has better credentials. Not done; Ever.

It's like saying the priest at New Life Baptist has better credentials than your opponent who's running for Director of Planned Parenthood. Who cares about the NLB, we're concerned with PP.

[Tom Rinaldo]

23. At least this is closer to an honest debate.

Pushing that Clinton prefers or endorses McCain is as bad as behavior gets in politics, since nothing of the sort was ever said or even implied.

Obama publicly supported the argument that Clinton is too divisive to make a good president, and therefor would likely lose the election.

We here on DU and Kos and everywhere else the netroots congregate collectively say the worst things possible about all the Democratic candidates as if we are just having a chat in one of our own living rooms, even though in truth there is always a "live microphone" broadcasting what we say to the larger world constantly. We give constant specific aid and support to the Republican enemy. And we constantly argue all the points about how each of our candidates will match up against McCain and why, and then we act shocked when those same factors are discussed by the candidate's campaigns themselves. I am fed up with all of it.

[IsItJustMe]

28. You make some good points, but believe me, HRC did not get the idea to compare herself and McCain

against Obama here at DU. If you believe anything, believe that.

[anigbrowl]

32. I respect your opinion. But you're not a national figure running for the nomination

Talking up the Republican nominee and making unfavorable comparisons with the Democratic front-runner is really, really lame.

As someone said, she'd be tombstoned on DU for that.

[Catherine Vincent]

29. Yawn!

[mmonk]

33. He was following Zell's example.

Hope he completes the example soon and is out of government.

[GoldieAZ49]

35. Zell Miller kicked ass on his way out

nothing like Joe

[kevinmc]

34. Clinton - Lieberman 2008

[Kittycat]

36. Sounds about right to me.