Disgusting Hate All Over This Board

[Steely_Dan]

Some of you should be completely ashamed of the way you are conducting yourself on this board. I am NO Hillary fan and I am NO Obama fan. However, the way Hillary is being treated here is nothing short of disgusting!

As Biden supporters we made a concentrated effort NOT to disrespect the other candidates or their supporters. We realized that they were all Democrats who have have fought to whatever degree, for Democratic principles. That alone, made them worthy of respect.

Ms. Clinton has spent her entire life fighting the good fight and has done it as a woman in a man's world. I have never seen a political figure who has had to battle as much as she has. Most MEN would have folded under less pressure. Do any of you who are spewing such hateful rhetoric even know her history??? Do you even know what causes she has backed and fought for? Do you have any idea the sacrifices she has made for our country.

I am NO HILLARY SUPPORTER and I do not agree with her political tactics nor do I agree with all of her past votes. But come on. You can't honestly believe she is as evil as your words would have us believe. My God, you would think she was responsible for the Holocaust.

Try to refrain from bashing a fellow Dem...especially one who has given so much of her life to our causes.

Just think before you post...please.

-P

[jlake]

1. Biden should have stayed in a bit longer. Maybe he could have put an end to this misery.

[Steely_Dan]

4. I supported Biden...

not just because of his vast experience and leadership skills...but because he acted like an adult. He would have never stooped to such crap as we see here or on the campaign trail. As far as I'm concerned, Biden was light-years ahead of all of the candidates on either side.

-P

[jlake]

8. I agree - and that was one of the main reasons I supported him.

Besides the fact that he would have been one of the truly great presidents of this nation.

[hueyshort]

134. Republicans are Swarming the dem blogs

with Hit pieces on Hillary Clinton.

[Steely_Dan]

140. I have read more than once that...

those on the right are thankful that Biden didn't make the cut. They knew he would be difficult to beat.

-P

[SammyWinstonJack]

141. Edwards should not have 'suspended' his campaign. The adult wing of the Democratic Party.

[krkaufman]

175. And this is what makes it so sad. Hillary jumped into the gutter ...

... in just the last few weeks with her "kitchen sink" negative attack strategy, and now Obama is also tainted by her deceitfully negative politics. Thanks for another example of why this campaign going on, as is, diminshes the Dems' chances in the Fall.

[Kittycat]

2. Sorry - lost me at HRC doesn't deserve it.

She's the next Lieberman, selling out the Dem party for her own political ambitions.

[Steely_Dan]

10. That's Politics...

Unfortunately. So, nothing that this woman has done in her life in supporting the Dem movement means anything to you. You need to widen your vision a little.

-P

[backscatter712]

23. The whole point behind voting for people like Obama

is because we're fucking sick and tired of politics as usual.

We're tired of everyone in the Beltway acting like psychopaths.

We want decency, honor and respect in the White House.

Obama is working towards doing that. Clinton is for business as usual. Clinton's for fear and smear. Clinton's for war and destruction.

[Window]

42. Yep! It's her camp pain. LOL!

[judaspriestess]

52. I understand what you are saying

BUT if Obama was truly about change wouldn't he have left the two party system and form a new party?

now thats change. Instead he is STILL part of the politics as usual really.

[KnaveRupe]

157. Impossible to do...

...in our two-party winner-take-all system. A third-party candidate can do nothing in our system but leach votes and act as a spoiler.

And if you were alive in 2000 and saw what happened with Nader, you know that.

So cut the disingenuous arguments, k?

[def0]

55. The pathetic reality is: he will mess it up

[kwassa]

79. Politics is politics, and doesn't really change, nor will Obama change it

as for people IN the beltway acting like psychopaths, well, that is just the average morning DC commute.

[Steely_Dan]

142. So Many Talk About What Obama Is Going To Do...

On the point that Obama will "change" the way things are done. Excuse my cynicism, but many of us older Dems have been down this road before. You want me to believe that a single person can change what has been American politics for over 200 years. Not going to happen. I'm not a pessimist...quite the contrary. I see myself as a "realist." What I fear most of all is that all of the youthful support that Obama has brought to the Dem party will turn to worse cynics than me when he faces the reality that history supports. I feel sad for our youth who have put so much of their heart and soul into Mr. Obama's promises born of his oratory skills. You may believe in your heart of hearts that Obama is a change agent...and he may very well have that intent. I simply do not see that ANYONE can make fundamental change in the way our government operates...at least not in the short-run.

I hope, with all my heart, that I am wrong.

-P

[Texas Hill Country]

152. but the hatred of Clinton on here runs counter to exactly that.

They are betraying the same message they claim to support.

[OhioBlue]

61. She was good once. Since then, she has been

desensitized by D.C., the process and the lobbyists. She sold out. What can I say?

I supported her until S.C. then I was in the "I will support her if she wins" column. After the 2 weeks of torment in Ohio, I'm over her. Yeah, I'm sure I'll pull the lever for her, no - not for her, but against a Republican President that would nominate Conservative Judges and continue Bush Policy. I couldn't volunteer or talk anyone into voting for someone that I don't really believe in tho. I won't defend her anymore.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

161. S.C. is where Hillary lost me too. Simply unforgivable.

[NDambi]

119. Lost me too.....Hillary will never get my vote...period.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

162. And so unnecessary too. All Hillary had to do was stick to the issues like Obama had done.

[LulaMay]

151. She deserves to be hated, huh? Hated? Hatred?! I don't hate Senator Obama. It's ludicrous.

[joeybee12]

3. I posted something nice about Biden here today...went over like a lead

balloon...the Obama-ites are not happy that Hilary is coming back, so their vitriol is partially due to their nervousness.

[Armstead]

22. No, this "Obamite" is not happy at the way she is coming back

Her campaign has been behaving despicably. I might be disappointed if she were moving ahead with a reasobale campaign instead of trying to cheapen the whole election, and drive the Democratic Party apart top

[joeybee12]

76. Your reply is so much BS...you Obama-ites see everything she does...

...even going on SNL and The Daily Show as proof she is evil...that's just pathetic.

[Armstead]

81. yeah whatever...

She was especially gracious early on when she accused Edwards of "mudslinging with GOP talking points" when he dared to challenge her from a liberal perspective.

[thunder rising]

5. Hillary does not get a pass on this.

http://action.credomobile.com/sirota/2008/03/the_clintonlieberman_connectio.html

Clinton was actually even more brazen than Lieberman. Not only did she lie about her record, she actually went on the offensive attacking Obama over the very trade deal she has long championed, "rais doubts about whether he was committed to reworking NAFTA," as the AP noted. To use the Lieberman-Lamont analogy, that's would be like Lieberman not only pretending to be against the war, but actually attacking Lamont for not opposing the war more strongly. Even Lieberman wasn't cravenly dishonest enough to do that - but Clinton was.

Hillary Clinton no longer a Dem, it's time she learned the Zell Miller rule.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOytXkCw0NY

[skooooo]

9. i concur!

[DesertFlower]

20. yep. that did it for me.

i can't support her.

[knight_of_the_star]

6. I wish this thread wouldn't sink

But I know it will. Too many people on here especially on the Obama side are convinced by being a bunch of Keyboard Kommandos they're holding back the Hordes of Hell from the Temple Mount.

[Armstead]

25. No, just the Hordes of Hill

[knight_of_the_star]

75. The way you talk you'd think there wasn't a difference nt

[Faygo Kid]

7. You campaign like Karl Rove, you're gonna get called on it here.

She did, and she has.

[Steely_Dan]

18. So...

there is not enough that she has done throughout her political life in supporting our causes that allows you to to step back and show some respect? Amazing.

-P

[Armstead]

34. Not the causes I support

Sure it's finme to be "for the children" and all that easy humanitarianm stuff.

But is don't mean a damn when compared to the economic damage that the policies and brand of poltics engaged in by she and her husband is doing systemic ecomic damage to children and adults.

[txaslftist]

144. No. On balance there really isn't.

People act like Hillary's life has been spent as some kind of bastion of Democratic liberal-ness, but it really hasn't. She started out a Republican, moved to the center, and has pretty much remained there. I don't see a long record of "championing" Democratic causes. Bill governed like a liberal Republican or a conservative Democrat, take your pick, both as governor of Arkansas and as president. I'm not saying he did a bad job, because he didn't. He was a very good president. But there were a lot of mistakes and a lot of bending to the right which they like to call "triangulation" or whatever...

But the welfare to work programs, the drastic service cuts, the "interventions" in Kosovo, the endless bombing of Iraq, the debacle in Waco ...

I don't see the history you see. You act as if being a "long time Democrat" in and of itself entitles one to respect and freedom from ire. Joe Lieberman was a long time Democrat, too. He, also, thought of his position as an entitlement, and he also endorsed John McCain over Barack Obama.

I don't think he's entitled to a lot of respect from us. And frankly, given where she's gone with her campaign, neither does she.

[ronnykmarshall]

35. Yeah!!

Fuck them god-damn Hillary supporters!!

We don't need them!

Gobama!

[MonkeyFunk]

11. Yup

the hatred is entirely out of proportion to anything done in this campaign.

It's mind-boggling.

[DesertFlower]

12. 2 days ago i would have agreed with you.

however, since she's basically endorsed McCain in an effort to stop obama, i can no longer support her if she is the nominee.

she is bad for the party.

[backscatter712]

13. Gender has nothing to do with it.

That despicable Canada NAFTA smear has something to do with it.
The race baiting has something to do with it.
The vote for the Iraq War and Kyl-Lieberman has something to do with it.
The praising of John McCain over a fellow Democrat, a la Joe Lieberman has something to do with it.

You want a woman in the White House?

PICK ONE THAT ISN'T A SOCIOPATH!

[ruiner4u]

14. watch out... anything sane is considered to be a part of the CFEE...

Obamamania is all about flowery sunshines and pastel kisses...

[City Lights]

15. I'll take your advice just as soon as Hillary takes it.

Try to refrain from bashing a fellow Dem

Disgusting is a word I'd use to describe her campaign.

Respect is earned. She deserves none from me.

[Ichingcarpenter]

16. She supports the Republican Nominee

McCain's major advisor works for Mark Penn
Sorry she has gone to the dark side.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4933692&mesg_id=4933874

[mourningdove92]

17. Good post, Steely Dan.

The anger on this board saddens me.

[Patsy Stone]

19. Everyone sing!

Just let your hate flow
like a mountain stream
and let your hate grow
while you crush people's dreams
and let your hate show
And you'll know what I mean
it's the season.


K&R

[ronnykmarshall]

24. Wheel's on fire ....

Rolling down the road ......

[Patsy Stone]

36. Hi!

How are ya?

[ronnykmarshall]

48. Fantastic!

Wanna go to Harvey Nicks?

[Patsy Stone]

53. Absolutely!

Can we take your car, sweetie?

:toast:

[ronnykmarshall]

58. Of course.

Saffy takes that train, bus thing. We won't need to worry about her.

SAFFY Mommy's leaving now!

[Sarah Ibarruri]

21. Ok now wait a minute......

I have not been a basher of Senator Clinton, but the other day I just about had it when she said McCain was more qualified than the other Democratic nominee. She's either deranged or so desperate for the presidency that she'd do or say anything! I've heard shit in my day but to say that a candidate of the opposing party is better than a candidate of the party you're a part of! That's DISGUSTING!

[Tom Rinaldo]

29. But she never said that. You bought the anti-Hillary spin

She said McCain has more experience than Obama and implied that McCain would capitalize on that experience gap if Obama is our nominee. You may not like what she said but she did not say what you said she did. It was an electability argument only. She never implied that McCain has the right judgment to be President. Qualifications were never discussed and she never said anything about McCain being a better President than Obama, or more qualified to be President than Obama. All claims that she did are lies.

[Armstead]

43. Sorry Tom but what she said was an obvious attempt to smear Obama and praise McCain

"I will be able to campaign on my long experience, Senator McCain will be able to campaign on his long experience. But Senator Obama can only campaign on one speech he made in 2002."

(Only very slightly paraphrased.)

That was unforgivable and it was not a reasonable attempt to explain her messaage. It was an obvious elevation of McCain above Obama.

[Tom Rinaldo]

47. As a candidate

I will make this simple. I think Obama will make a better President than McCain but I think McCain makes a better candidate than Obama. I think McCain's credentials make it easier for him to win over undecided voters than do Obama's credentials. I do not think McCain is more qualified to be President than Obama, I think his surface credentials are more impressive and that puts us at a strategic disadvantage in the General Election if Obama is our candidate.

Do does that mean I just endorsed McCain for President?

[Armstead]

51. She basically called him unqualified.

She was NOT merely criticizing him as a candidate. The underlying assumption is that he is UNQUALIFIED to be president or "answer that 3 AM call."

One can't accuse someone of having no credentials, and not recognize the logical extension of that to voters.

[Tom Rinaldo]

68. Obama's "credentials" are the main reason why I don't back him

That is the honest truth, and if I feel that way I know that others do also. However I would much rather support someone with good instincts and little seasoning than someone with a decades long resume who is on the wrong on the issues. I know McCain sees the world in ways that will lead him to make choices I disapprove of, so I will not support him no matter what his credentials are.

But since Democrats first started debating our potential candidates, I have known Obama would not be my preferred candidate because his "credentials" in my opinion are weak. I have said that repeatedly on this board and elsewhere, and it is fine with me that others disagree with that, it still is my opinion. And it is a reason why I have argued against voting for Obama in the primaries. It is a reason Clinton gives also for not voting for Obama in the primaries.

McCain will be quite capable all on his own of pointing out the experience gap between him and Obama. It can't be countered on the basis of any argument based on experience. It can only be countered on the basis of policies advocated and comparitive judgment.

[KnaveRupe]

158. I must have missed it where Hillary unequivocally clarified that.

Because a lot of people seem to be misinterpreting what she's TRYING to say, and rather than clarify that, she KEEPS ON SAYING IT.

To ME, and to a whole lotta other people, it sounded like she was saying that she and McCain are qualified, and that Obama is not. If she DIDN'T mean that, then she needs to get her ass out there in front of the press and clear it up. Until she does, then peddle your wares somewhere else - I ain't buying.

[nomorewhopper]

26. remember this video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKJVHjZVD60

it seems so long ago, clinton started attacking obama like this

hillary clinton is a DISASTER

and the gloves are OFF.

[youthere]

120. And and like Obama's so innocent...You forgot this little gem...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU

[Cass]

27. This place is really turning into a joke.

Its like being at FR. It sucks.

Unfortunately you will probably get flamed for speaking out in defense of Hillary but I thank you for trying to get your point across. Its good to know there are still some here don't spit venom and come unglued at the mere mention of her name.

[Dinger]

115. "Turning"? (nt)

[Levgreee]

28. She'd be banned from DU with her comments, shouldn't she be held to a higher standard?

[seabeyond]

30. she shouldnt have gone dirty. it is beyond negative. reap what you sow.

there is a reason democrats dont do what hillary is doing. we dont like it.

i dont know if there are really ugly posts or just calling her on rove tactic you are bothered with.

[Bluenorthwest]

123. Ah hypocrisy

Rove style wedge issue gay baiting to the religious bigots with open anti-gay rhetoric by an actual public Bush supporter, attacking Democratic voters is just fine and dandy. But other Rove style politics is not.

Name me one other Democrat who has done such a thing. Without apology.
Just saying, to many of us this looks like to very tough politicians who will do just about anything to get elected. From my point of view, to speak from the high road, one needs to have taken the high road. No one left in the race has done so. Both have played from the bottom of the deck. Both have votes I abhore.
But after the McClurkin crap, calling her Rovian is nothing buy selective vision.

[LulaMay]

31. Thank you.

[zarath]

32. Was Hillary fighting the good fight her whole life...

...when on the board of directors for Wal-Mart for 6 years?

Hillary Clinton remained silent as the world's largest retailer waged a major campaign against labor unions seeking to represent store workers.

Clinton has been endorsed for president by more than a dozen unions, according to her campaign Web site, which omits any reference to her role at Wal-Mart in its detailed biography of her.

[DeepModem Mom]

33. I've been here at DU a long time, and I'm almost in tears tonight.

I liked all of our candidates, and still do. I support Obama, but admire and respect Hillary. When did we decide we had the luxury of all this hatred for our own?

I know the kind of responses this will engender. I know people have their reasons. But I don't know how long I can stand it here anymore. I have seen vile, vile things on this board tonight. I don't want to ignore people. I want the people I've loved here back. The people I've supported and who supported me through the darkest days when we feared we would never be rid of George W. Bush.

My consolation is that among Democrats I know in "real" life, even Gen Yers, there is admiration and respect for both Obama and Hillary.

I feel I have lost something that I had for a long time, but will never have again. It's okay -- I guess we were here together through the darkest days, and I believe there's light ahead.

[Armstead]

38. I'm sorry youi feel that way

I respect you a lot.

But Hillary has opened Pandora's Box with her campaigning tactics, and it makes me angry at the price she has been willing to make the Democratic Party pay for the sake of her own ambition.

[Catchawave]

39. Thank you. I miss everybody too.

:cry:

[flowomo]

63. feel as you do....

but after it's over, everyone will go back to saying how loving and generous they and the DU community are. Right.

[LostinVA]

66. I understand -- I feel the same way

[Arkansas Granny]

69. I hope you are right about the light ahead. There has been so

much hatred on this board lately that I wonder if some of the posters will ever be able to get together on anything again.

[Sparkly]

72. Hang in there!

And take a break when you need to. This is a particularly crazy time -- try not to let it get to you.

(I think it's just people kind of spinning their wheels and working themselves up into a lather. It doesn't affect the whole election one way or another.)

[HughMoran]

87. I agree

& I hope the light ahead shows up soon!

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

112. DMM, you echo my sentiments. And, I, too am grateful for my

non virtual experiences, interacting with people who have enthusiasm and respect for both.

The sheer hatred for her, which I've seen gleefully spewed all over our board, has been dismaying to see.

And, the irony is that this has been pretty tame, as primaries go. I've seen local races for city council become much more heated and insulting.

It's beyond disappointing, I read an op-ed piece by Joe Klein, of all people, saying she's "too good" for us. Maybe smart and competent and hard working with a great deprecating sense of humor is a terrible thing, after all.

[Arkansas Granny]

37. Thank you for your post. A little civility is sorely needed around here.

[tandot]

40. Thanks for trying, Steely_Dan

It won't help the tone of GD-P much but it helped me to put some more a**holes who responded to your thread on my ignore

[IsItJustMe]

41. Bull shit!!!! When you have HRC advocating McCain over Obama, I am sorry man, that is wrong,

wrong, wrong PERIOD. I have never seen that before. We are Democrats and we are pissed. I can understand it all, very easily.

[Iceburg]

44. Karl Rove looks like a saint compared to what I have seen on this board.

If this is the make-up and the direction of the party then its now a party I would be not only be ashamed, but afraid to be a member of.

You GUYS are truly scary folk.

So long DU and thank you for the fish.

[KAZ]

45. Have to disagree. She's throwing us overboard, and I won't..

.. stand for it.

[VotesForWomen]

46. thank you. some of the hill-haters have really come unhinged. nt

[ronnykmarshall]

50. Pfft!

I was called "fucking filth" today.

Give me a fucking break!

[Dogmudgeon]

57. STFU, you fucking filth!

:pals:

--p!

[ronnykmarshall]

60. You crazy!!!

:loveya:

[Armstead]

49. It is probably disgusting -- But she deserves it by her shameless behavior

I used to try to be reasonable and avoid vitriol here. But she added too many straws to this camel's back.

She started down the slippery slope early on when she accused John Edwards in a debate of "mudslinging right out of the GOP playbook" and has gone downhill ever since.

Comparing Obama to Ken Starr....Allowing Obama to be deceptively smeared about NAFTA and Canada.....Scolding Obama....Lying about Obama's "support" for GOP polies...

Now, forcing a potential Democratic Armegeddon with re-votes, rule changing. etc.

Sorry, but I can't overlook or calmly accept what she's doing. This election is too damn important.

[MadBadger]

54. Anybody who attacks her is part of the RW Conspiracy

[waiting for hope]

172. And anyone who attacks Obama is

part of the RW Conspiracy as well, the only problem with that is the Obama supporters out number the Hillary supporters right now - so it's okay? Talk about pot meet kettle.

[flowomo]

56. the people posting the garbage are enjoying it....

on both sides. They're not here to learn anything -- just to show how crude and clever (and cleverly crude) they can be. So stop asking them to stop. It's the whole reason they're posting.

[robbedvoter]

59. Hear! hear! Nice sentiment!

[Dogmudgeon]

It make Pigwidgeon strong -- like bool!

Edited to correct grammar.

Pigwidgeon go now to eat police car.

--p!

[frazzled]

62. Again, I must protest: what about the despicable hate posts about Obama?

Just to check, I looked at all the current threads in GD:P, and I'm just not seeing that there are any more hateful posts directed at Hillary than at Obama. Yet you complain only about the one side. I am completely befuddled by this. Why are you not outraged about the vileness on both sides?

I mean, read this post from a Clinton supporter, as an example:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4937139

Can you truly not say that this (and there are many many more like it) is not just as much, if not more, hateful than anything I've read this evening here about Clinton?

Why the double standard? Is it because you see the hateful things being said about Obama as essentially true, but those about Hillary as libelous? I can only think that you must be seeing things through a rather myopic lens, because I see the hatred equally spread around.

[Maddy McCall]

64. Thanks for this.

:thumbsup:

And K/R

[Lost-in-FL]

65. Don't despair.

Democrats outside DU won't give a shit about our fights here. They will go on to vote for anyone who becomes the Democratic Presidential candidate. That would piss off some people here.

[Mooney]

89. You are 100% correct.

Everybody repeat after me:

DU IS NOT THE REAL WORLD.
DU IS NOT THE REAL WORLD.
DU IS NOT THE REAL WORLD.

[NDambi]

122. Not many of the Dems I know....they are watching and waiting to pounce, demonstrate or stay home..if

they sense any BS or unfairness to Obama!

[alstephenson]

155. The "Dems" you know are not really Dems.

"waiting to pounce, demonstrate or stay home"??? Will you people just get a grip already!

[Lost-in-FL]

176. You are very fortunate...

cause the area I live seems that no ones gives, at least that is what I noticed. I still see more W stickers than Obama's or Hill (actually, I see more Hillary's than Obama's). The only thing I noticed is that the once very vocal Republicans are now very quiet. I don't even think they will vote.

[proud2BlibKansan]

67. "Try to refrain from bashing a fellow Dem"

You need to tell that to Hillary McClinton.

[Catherine Vincent]

70. K&R!

Of course the O supporters are in denial about how some of their co-supporters are behaving. Their only comeback is the Hillary supporters do it too so they don't want to hear it.

[zulchzulu]

71. Hillary Clinton has proven herself to be a turncoat to the Democratic Party

She can't take back what she said when she essentially endorsed John McCain and reduced (in her own mind) Barack Obama's lifetime and career as "just one speech". She couldn't refrain from bashing a fellow Democrat, let alone endorse the Democratic Party's political opposition. Her speech was the greatest gift for McCain and an ABSOLUTE LIE tied to the countless lies that come from her mouth.

She simply is a turncoat of the same flavor as Joe Lieberman. She can't take her words back. She is a compulsive liar. Compulsive liars don't remember the last lie they said and it is evident in her personality that she has that trait.

When she drops out, I will celebrate. When she tries to run again for Senator, I will contribute to whoever is running against her.

She should just think before she speaks. But I won't hold my breath. Like her husband, she is a classic behavioral psychopath.

[AtomicKitten]

73. Hillary has embraced McCain and is fine with the Limbaugh directive, so she can go Cheney herself.

[Inuca]

74. I know you mean well

and that you are thoughtful and smart. And I agree that there is a shocking amount of poison, ill-will and just plain stupid snark around here from both sides. This said, I cannot agree with the basic premise of your post. Even ignoring the past, the way she has behaves recently and continues to behave is inexcusable and IMHO simply outrageous. Have you seen tonight's Olberman? It was partisan, but the facts in themselves were beyond belief. The incredibly myopic way in which she fights for a very unlikely nomination, ignoring not only the harm she is doing to the party but even to herself shows a lack of judgment and/or inability to think strategically under pressure that should automatically disqualify her. Maybe I exaggerate, it is possible, but I am truly outraged (which may very well cloud my judgment to some extent)!

[RememberWellstone]

77. Obama quits

and it will end.

[Skwmom]

78. Fighting the good fight? You're as blind as the Bush supporters.

[Steely_Dan]

92. This is a perfect example...

of what I am talking about in my post below.

Would you mind telling me your age? Can you be honest about it?

Are you able to see how over the top your post is?

-P

[Steely_Dan]

80. As The Original Poster...

I've been reading through the responses. I was under no illusions when I posted the OP. I knew that there would be the typical hate filled responses. On the other hand, there were a number of posts from Obama supporters that "respectfully" disagreed with me. I appreciate those posts.

Every time I had to respond to a Biden critic, I always began with words like: "I appreciate your insight, but.... or "Thanks for your thoughtful response, however...." That's far different from "X is a fucking traitor." or "Your just a fucking asshole."

I want to remind you that I DO NOT SUPPORT EITHER HILLARY OR OBAMA.

Here's my take on why things have degenerated down to where they currently are...(and I assure you that Obama supporters AND Hillary supporters will not like it.)

First, Hillary has run a horrible campaign that makes it look as if the Presidency is more important than this country. I blame some of this on her husband and some on the fact that politics is politics...and it's downright dirty sometimes. Democrats are not immune from such tactics. Remember LBJ. If not read about his early political career. Some of the things he did to his opponents makes Karl Rove look like an angel. Of course, all of this I knew about Hillary and that's why I never supported her.

Now to Obama (which is IMHO a large part of why things have degenerated).
I would love for someone to record stats on the average age of Obama supporters that are posting vicious and hateful comments on this board. I would also love to see stats on the average age of Obama supporters that post less hateful posts and responses. I assure you (IMHO) that the average age of the hateful posts come from the younger members of this board. You may not like it, but it seems almost obvious. When you are young and you attach yourself to something that attracts you, you do it with passion. When youth is criticized, they usually respond quickly and without mercy. The greater the passion, the more vicious the defense.

Of course, young Obama supporters will deny this (with passion). No one in their 20's can be told anything about the world that they don't already think they know. I was that way and I'm sure that you were too. No one could tell me anything because I would always take it as a personal attack. Guess what? This is perfectly normal and to be expected. It is only with time that we realize that not every little thing is life and death.

Have you ever heard it said: "If I have to explain it to you, you wouldn't understand" This is why the youth on this board that support Obama will deny what I have written. They can't understand it. And they won't until they are much older and can look back.

This is where we find our youth today...and it is where our parents found us when we were that age.

Obama has attracted a large number of younger voters. It seems only natural that their defenses would be as passionate as their support for Mr. Obama. It also stands to reason that another form of defending themselves is to attack the other side. And once again, their attacks are as passionate as their support.

Flame away Obama youth!

-P

On Edit:

On the point that Obama will "change" the way things are done. Excuse my cynicism, but many of us older Dems have been down this road before. You want me to believe that a single person can change what has been American politics for over 200 years. Not going to happen. I'm not a pessimist...quite the contrary. I see myself as a "realist." What I fear most of all is that all of the youthful support that Obama has brought to the Dem party will turn to worse cynics than me when he faces the reality that history supports. I feel sad for our youth who have put so much of their heart and soul into Mr. Obama's promises born of his oratory skills. I know, I've been down that road before.

-P

[Levgreee]

83. I think you'd be surprised how old some of the flamers are. You don't see the vitrol here because

of youth. People just get crazy over politics. In fact, I would say it is especially more likely for posters here to be older, than if you completely randomly picked a supporter from the lot of them.

[still_one]

82. if she isn't evil, fine, she feels mccain is more qualified than Obama to be president

and for that reason, I will NEVER vote for clinton or mccain

not because someone paints her someway, but because of her words, and actions

[Steely_Dan]

91. If I'm not mistaken...

I believe she stated that McCain had more experience than Obama. That is far different from "qualified." Am I wrong on this?

-P

[still_one]

100. she said that she and mccain have a lifetime of experience, and Obama is just a speech

I call it as I see it. If it walks like a duck and qwaks like a duck, its a duck

"just a speech" means no experience, which is the same thing as not being qualified. No one forced her to include mccain in those remarks, and by doing so, she or mccain will not get my vote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P21PRmUzN-A

[Jamastiene]

84. You are one Biden supporter who shines a positive light on

him. In other words, I am sure he would be proud of your standards of decency. Thank you for this post. :thumbsup:

[Steely_Dan]

86. Thank You

I don't know why...but your words brought tears to my eyes.

-P

[jillan]

85. And another great post by Steely Dan -

You will always be one of my favorite posters.

[Steely_Dan]

96. Thanks Pirhana...

You make me blush...if that's possible.

-P

[Eurobabe]

88. Hilary has brought this on herself with her underhanded tactics to keep

a fellow Democrat from the White House. Did you watch Olbermann tonight? Clinton is EMBRACING and yakking up McLAME!

Now THAT is DISGUSTING HATE.

'Nuff said.

[Steely_Dan]

90. To my fellow Biden supporter...

I hope you read in my post that I was equally disgusted with Hillary's campaign tactics. As I stated: she is running a campaign that makes it appear that the Presidency is more important to her than the country. I saw this blind ambition early on and it turned me off. Having said that...she does not deserve the vicious attacks that have frequented this board. No one who has given as much as she has deserves that.

Remember what Biden said: "Some things are worth losing an election over." This tells me that the Presidency was less important than the welfare of this country.

-P

[Eurobabe]

111. Read your last line, would Hillary say that?

"Remember what Biden said: "Some things are worth losing an election over." This tells me that the Presidency was less important than the welfare of this country."

Sorry, but I think the Clintons are a couple of self-serving, machinating fools. It's all about them. After their lastest round of lies and attacks, they deserve the vitriol they get. I am sick of them thinking they can run roughshod over the people and the party.

I never got that feeling from Biden, Edwards, Obama, Dodd, Richardson, Kucinich or even Gravel.

Reap what ye sow. :shrug:

[Steely_Dan]

139. There is nothing...

in your post that I disagree with. You are singing to the choir. Where I part company with you is the amount of hate I read here. Okay, she is a slime politician. I may not support her...I may not even like her. However, I would never spew the kind of hate that I have read here and continue to read here. That's just me.

-P

[BenDavid]

93. Well, you can't take away someone's right to be an asshole

[DisgustipatedinCA]

110. You are so right

I hope you don't mind me quoting you....I'll give you full credit, of course.

[Malikshah]

94. Time to clean house. I hope there are some Madame Defarges around

Most of the cretins befouling the place will leave after the primaries.

Those that took part in Lord of the Flies glee and remain (or, who've lost their way after having been here for years) better get ready for some major Truth and Reconciliation time.

BTW-- this season makes 2004 look like a veritable kissyface fest.

[Steely_Dan]

95. Help Me Out Here...

Clarify your reference for me. I'm sure that I would LOL if I were well read.

-P

[Malikshah]

113. Madame Defarge? Think the knitter on a mission from a Tale of Two Cities...

Knitting the names of miscreants and knowing who was to be called on for accounting after the Revolution.

For a more colorful interpretation, please watch the following video.

Madame Defarge (aka Cloris Leachman) shows up....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4uvLXCUhVg

[Steely_Dan]

138. Ah Yes....

I do recall.

[olkaz]

97. From our downtown copter, an update from Joe Obvious:

You realize you're on a message board, right?

You're pissing into a sea of piss. There's going to be some piss in there.

[Steely_Dan]

98. I agree with you...

It is a futile effort...but I needed to say something. I'm sure you understand.

By the way....I prefer:

"My, my...you do have a tight grasp on the obvious."

-P

[olkaz]

124. you'll have to forgive me

That post was after a couple drinks and a lot of studying.

I'll lay off the obviouscopter language. :)

[Steely_Dan]

133. LOLOLOLOLOL

[casus belli]

99. You say refrain from bashing a fellow Dem

But then your post only talks about Hillary. Surely you're not suggesting that the divisive posts against Obama are less offensive?

[Steely_Dan]

101. I Understand Your Point...

And I do agree that hate has come from both sides. I will tell you this. I think that Hillary has had a harder road to travel. I'm sure that you will agree that she has had more than her share of battles that Mr. Obama has not (yet) faced. I do not feel sorry for her...and I do not support her. However, I would admire anyone who has come through the flames having never dropped the Democratic banner. And if I didn't "admire" them, I would at least not viciously attack them.

-P

[casus belli]

103. Then we agree. I think both deserve a little more respect. n/t

[Beausoir]

102. The people who are wishing violence upon her is truly disturbing.

Frightening.

[NHIndy]

106. Yes, very wrong

Violence is wrong. It's like rooting for a great football player to get a game ending injury during a game. Just WRONG!

[BigBearJohn]

104. AT LAST! A SANE, voice of reason. Thank you!

This board has made me begin to conclude that
we really aren't that much different than
the republicans. We are EVERY bit as nasty
as they are.

[NHIndy]

105. Not just....

All over this board, but all over the country and all through the Dem party.

Look at the Republicans. They are all united, holding hands, ready to fight, singing Kum Ba Ya. The Dems are in a bloodbath. This is ridiculous. But no one will give up. This is the craziest thing I have seen in my many years of following politics. Bacheesus.

[Steely_Dan]

107. I Hear Ya...

my brother.

[LadyVT]

108. Totally agree. I saw someone today, and he was talking EXACTLY

like many of the posters on this board. Same words. Same kind of "arguments." Same nah-nah-nah-nah-nah. Same exclamation points in most of what he said.

Hmmm.... perhaps the posters are, like him, ten years old?

[Nutmegger]

109. R&K for some sanity.

:kick::thumbsup:

[SeaLyons]

114. Hillary is

Remarkable. The people on this board that are filled with hate and vitriol towards Hillary, do not represent this country, or this race would not be so tight. She has tremendous support that will take her all the way.


Hillary for President

[snooper2]

116. I guess she shouldn't have pulled out the fucking knives...

Her quest to be "Queen" after "King Chimpy" is on the same level as the repukes :puke:

Fucking Bush's and Clinton's both just need to go away and leave the Country in peace..

[dysfunctional press]

117. shillary has EARNED every bit of that hatred- she is a vile contemptible repug excuse for a democrat

if she steals the nomination, i will actively work to see her defeated. she is a sorry excuse for a candidate, and we deserve MUCH BETTER as a nominee.

[OhioChick]

118. If one does NOT bash a fellow DEM...

Then why is HRC bashing Obama, while putting McCain on a pedestal?
Just sayin.... :shrug:

[stillrockin]

121. Hillary is not a fellow Dem. She has crossed the line.

P.S.
I thought before I posted this. I am SO done with her and her ilk.

[billyoc]

125. Sen. Clinton is NOT responsible for the Holocaust

as far as *I* know.

[stillcool]

126. I do not support this:

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."

"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html

http://graphics.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/20080112_nevada_lawsuit.pdf
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/a-feisty-bill-clinton-defends-nevada-lawsuit/
CLINTON ALLIES SUPPRESS THE VOTE IN NEVADA...
On Meet the Press on Sunday, Hillary Clinton said her campaign had nothing to do with a lawsuit--written about by Nation Editor Katrina vanden Heuvel--that threatens to prevent thousands of workers from voting in the Nevada caucus on Saturday.
Back in March, the Nevada Democratic Party agreed to set up caucus locations on the Vegas strip for low-income shift workers, many of them members of the state's influential Culinary Union, who commute long distances to work and wouldn't be able to get home in time to caucus. It was an uncontroversial idea until the Culinary Union endorsed Barack Obama and the Nevada State Education Association, whose top officials support Clinton, sued to shut down the caucus sites.
The Clinton camp played dumb until yesterday, when President Clinton came out in favor of the lawsuit.
Clinton's comments drew a heated response from D. Taylor, the head of Nevada's Culinary Union, on MSNBC's Hardball. "He is in support of disenfranchising thousands upon thousands of workers, not even just our members," Taylor said of Clinton. "The teachers union is just being used here. We understand that This is the Clinton campaign. They tried to disenfranchise students in Iowa. Now they're trying to disenfranchise people here in Nevada, who are union members and people of color and women."
Rank-and-file members of Nevada's teachers union also come out against the lawsuit filed by their leadership. "We never thought our union and Senator Clinton would put politics ahead of what's right for our students, but that's exactly what they're doing," the letter stated. "As teachers, and proud Democrats, we hope they will drop this undemocratic lawsuit and help all Nevadans caucus, no matter which candidate they support."
The lawsuit's opponents make a persuasive point. Creating obstacles to voting is what the GOP does to Democrats, not what Democrats should be doing to other Democrats.

Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March
http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080201/cm_thenation/45278988_1
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET

The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis.
----------
Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
-------------------------
Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused.

Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.
Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html

January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
By Julie Bosman
KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”

COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.

Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, apologized for comments he made at a Clinton campaign rally in South Carolina on Sunday that hinted at Obama's use of drugs as a teenager.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34

Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs

Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008

The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's Super Tuesday primary, which she won.
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html

Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says.

Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

[closeupready]

127. I don't agree with your characterization of criticism of her as "hatred".

She deserves to be criticized in areas where she fails, as does Obama. There maybe extreme voices, but they will NEVER be silenced, so if she can't take it now, then she needs to get out now, because it will only get worse.

THAT is politics.

[Name removed]

128. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[rucky]

129. Fighting back is one thing. Picking fights is another. n/t

[Upton]

130. She's a fellow Dem in name only

perhaps we should refrain from criticizing McCain as well, like she has. Oh, wait a minute, she's actually praising McCain.

[MadHound]

131. Interesting that you claim not to support Hillary

Yet the only people you're calling out are those who you believe are "bashing" Hillary. Something of a disconnect there friend. Where's your ire concerning those Hillary supporters who are going after Obama and "bashing" him?

Oh, yeah, OK, I get it now:eyes:

[workinclasszero]

132. Hillary has endorsed john McCain, a Rethuglican, for President

Hillary is a traitor to her party and her delusional cultist fans. She now destroys the dem party daily, bit by bit.

Mathematically Hillary is already eliminated from the race and she knows it. Her only purpose now seems to be the destruction of Obama's chance to win the presidency so she can hand it over on a sliver platter to her good friend John McCain.

Hillary will kill the dem party this year so she can run again in 2012.

I can't really print how I feel about this...person.

She is poison to the body politic in America and she will snatch defeat from the jaws of a sure dem presidential victory this fall.

She will rejoice if McCain is the next president of the United States and happily vote YES for the war in Iran and YES for more tax cuts for the rich and corporations, and YES for more outsourcing of American jobs.

Hillary Clinton's 08 campaign strategy has the stench of Karl Rove all over it. How can this woman be allowed to call herself a Democrat?

I was so confident that a democrat would be elected president this time and sweep in a massive number of dems with him this fall. Finally the long night of republican terror, fear and class warfare would be over.

But no, if Hillary can't have it, she will hand the election over to the thug party for spite and so she can try again in 2012.

Its the saddest thing I have ever seen politically in my lifetime.

A whole nation sacrificed on the alter of one womans naked ambition and lust for power!

I don't believe we can recover from the coming McCain administration. He will draft your children to fight in Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq, and more for the next 100 years.

Good luck America, we had our chance to change history but no.

Hillary is more important than that. :cry:

[redqueen]

135. Jesus tapdancing Christ!

The one and ONLY nasty, vile, shitty PM I've EVER got in my years on this site was from a BIDEN SUPPORTER!


Can we stop the "you guys are so bad!" "stop picking on me!" BULLSHIT?!

:puke:

Hit alert, move the fuck on. Or if you think you can try to return the conversation to a reasonable tone, do that... but this shit is rigoddamndiculous!

:crazy:

[Steely_Dan]

165. I don't know who treated you...

poorly that was a Biden supporter. I am only aware of one person that got under the skin of the Biden crew. He/she/it just seemed to have it in for Biden, following us around the board to harass us. I cannot tell you how many times we received positive comments from members of this board (some who didn't even like Biden) that stated how respectful we were to other candidates and their supporters.

-P

[redqueen]

168. I don't even know if she's around anymore...

but it wasn't just me she was rude with... it was sort of a habit with that person.

[Steely_Dan]

170. Well...I can't

apologize for her. I assure you that IMHO it wasn't typical of Biden supporters.

-P

[itcfish]

136. I Agree With You

I liked Biden very much, especially his foreign policy ideas. I was very disappointed with him voting for the personal bankruptcy bill that hurt the middle class.

[SeaLyons]

137. K&R

[txaslftist]

143. Whu..? It's "just politics".

Surely the treatment Hillary is getting here is no worse than she'll get from the Republicans if she wins the nomination. Is she so new to the political game she can't take a lil' friendly slappin' around? After all, if such justifications make it "okay" for her to favorably compare JOHN EFFING MCSTAIN to Obama, surely she can take a few friendly jibes from Obama's supporters.

Or are we supposed to protect her delicate sensibilities while she wages a scorched earth campaign against the Dem frontrunner and "stay positive" while she dives into the abyss of Karl Rove negativity land?

When you advise us to "refrain from bashing a fellow Dem" perhaps you should email a copy of your advice to Ms. Clinton.

[Raffi Ella]

145. THANK YOU!!!!

:dem:

[amborin]

146. the hatred and name calling is ghastly, we are killing our nov chances

[bdamomma]

147. high anxiety right now

but we better unite, cause this will be used against us by the repigs, and you know they will smear the hell out of us.

[TexasLady]

148. I agree but

I had to leave a thread where no less than ten posters called obama supporters 'assholes'.
not cool.

[earth mom]

149. I'm positive that a lot of the hate is the work of freepers.

I don't like H or O, but I don't have the need to go to GD-P and spend hours trashing either one.

I post my 2 cents here and there where I feel it's relevant, but I don't spend much time in GD-P because I've already said my piece.

The only ones who would find sport in incessantly posting hate about both candidates are freepers.

You can bank on it. :puke:

[burythehatchet]

150. You can vomit as much as you like, I'm not a freeper and I can no longer stomach

sight or sound of that person. She can go to hell. Hope you didn't bank too much on it.

[Catherine Vincent]

153. "She can go to hell".

Who are you talking about?

[burythehatchet]

154. how the hell did you sneak out of IgnoreNation??? Let me try that again...

[Catherine Vincent]

156. LOL!

That's funny!

[earth mom]

160. Chill out dude. Didn't I say I can't stand H or O?

I can't stand ANY of the candidates.

There is NO difference in any of the candidates, can't you see that?!!!

Those who want to fight about it are just stirring the pot and that's what freepers do. It's their M.O.

Arguing tit for tat about Hillary or Obama is wasted time. They are 2 sides of the same coin.

Those who can't see that are in DENIAL. Those who continue to argue about it when it's so damn obvious are FREEPERS.

FYI-I'm for Gore/Edwards all the way. They are the ones who've been trashed by the political machine.

If you don't question WHY then you are fooling yourself.

This country will continue to be in the control of corporations via the corporatists in the race and that means all 3 of em. H & O & McCain.

At this point, it's pointless to rail 24/7 against any of the candidates left because one of them WILL be elected unless * has his way and becomes King like he so desperately wants.

It's OVER. Don't you get it? The Constitution is just about completely shredded and about one step from being set on fire.

We, The People are OWNED. The corporations OWN us and their highly paid lackeys in Washington DC will do their bidding.

We should have seen it coming when they starting calling us consumers instead of citizens. :grr:

[cbayer]

159. Disgusting hate all over this thread

Nothing like posters making your point for you.

She's the next Lieberman, selling out the Dem party for her own political ambitions.

Clinton's for fear and smear. Clinton's for war and destruction.

You want a woman in the White House? PICK ONE THAT ISN'T A SOCIOPATH!

She's either deranged or so desperate for the presidency that she'd do or say anything!

hillary clinton is a DISASTER

Hillary Clinton has proven herself to be a turncoat to the Democratic Party and the gloves are OFF.

She is a compulsive liar.

Like her husband, she is a classic behavioral psychopath.
Sorry she has gone to the dark side.

Fighting the good fight? You're as blind as the Bush supporters.

Clinton is EMBRACING and yakking up McLAME!

I think the Clintons are a couple of self-serving, machinating fools.

Her quest to be "Queen" after "King Chimpy" is on the same level as the repukes :puke:

Fucking Bush's and Clinton's both just need to go away and leave the Country in peace..

shillary has EARNED every bit of that hatred- she is a vile contemptible repug excuse for a democrat

Hillary is not a fellow Dem.

Hillary is a traitor to her party and her delusional cultist fans.

She is poison to the body politic in America She will rejoice if McCain is the next president of the United States and happily vote YES for the war in Iran

How can this woman be allowed to call herself a Democrat?

A whole nation sacrificed on the alter of one womans naked ambition and lust for power!

I can no longer stomach sight or sound of that person. She can go to hell.


And BTW, I just couldn't find a single hateful post by a Clinton supporter in this thread.

[Steely_Dan]

164. Thanks for posting this...

You are correct...every one of those lines proves my point.

Not only does it reflect poorly on their candidate, it is downright creepy.

-P

[cbayer]

169. Thank you for the OP

It's pretty unbelievable and I also wonder who these people are. Young? Maybe. Afraid? Probably. But it would be fascinating to see some demographics, wouldn't it.

[PetraPooh]

163. She deserves every bit of IT! Traitorous Beotch that she is.

[Zenlitened]

167. And we have a "winner"

And by that I don't mean "winner." :dunce:

[PerfectSage]

166. It's sorta like watching a 2 minute "hate"...

...from Orwell's 1984.

[stevietheman]

171. HIllary *is* partially responsible for the Iraqi Holocaust! n/t

n/t

[krkaufman]

173. Re: post theme and ... "Try to refrain from bashing a fellow Dem..."

I think Hillary's violation of this principle may have something to do with triggering the emotional responses. I'm sure everyone will calm down once she stops campaigning for John McCain.

[snappyturtle]

174. If people just would quit posting about it the subject would go away. imho n/t

[Laelth]

177. Do you know those things?

I found this article interesting. It says a lot about who Hillary is.

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer.html

-Laelth