Obama volunteers allege fraud; precinct chairwoman flees, seeks police protection

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

Someone just posted this story, spinning it as a tale of election fraud by a Clinton supporter. I don't know what the facts are, or who's lying, or what. (It is being investigated, and if the woman is crooked then she's crooked.) But consider how whacked out a person would have to be to read this particular news story as primarily a tale of Clinton election fraud. It is probably sort of rare for a precinct chair to flee a caucus site and seek refuge in a police station. The phrase "burying the lede" comes to mind.

Police get involved in dispute at Dallas precinct caucus
Chairwoman, ex-council member says mob chased her; some cite scheme


Sandra Crenshaw

For one Dallas County precinct, Tuesday night's caucus ended up in an unlikely place: a local police station. Election volunteers trailed former Dallas City Council member Sandra Crenshaw, who was serving as a precinct chairwoman, through Oak Cliff late Tuesday. They allege that she sent away hundreds of angry convention-goers and told them she was taking sign-in documents favoring Barack Obama home to "correct them."

Ms. Crenshaw, who supports Hillary Rodham Clinton, paints a different picture – of a mob of Obama supporters from other states who were so unruly that she had to seek refuge at a police substation.

"We had people fainting, people crying. It was just totally chaotic and dangerous," said Ms. Crenshaw, who said the hundreds of first-time convention attendees refused to follow the rules. "I've been the precinct chair 22 years, and most of those people I'd never seen in my life. We're reviewing security surveillance cameras at the rec center to support my side of things."

Democratic Party officials say they're still trying to figure out just what happened at the Singing Hills Recreation Center. So far, they know that Obama voters far outnumbered Clinton fans – and they say it appears that Ms. Crenshaw intended to use voting totals from earlier in the day to ensure that Mrs. Clinton received some of the precinct's delegates.

"It was totally wild," said Mario Benavidez, an Obama voter protection volunteer who was at the scene. "Without going to the extreme of physically restraining her – it was on the brink of that point."

Ms. Crenshaw said the threat of violence prompted her to flee the scene. She said Obama supporters tried to drag her out the door, then attempted to follow her home.

But Obama voters at the caucus say Ms. Crenshaw ducked out of the door and hopped into a friend's car, sign-in sheets in hand, shouting that she was going to Denny's. Instead, she led them to a local police substation, where police said she banged on the windows and shouted, "I'm being chased!" (SNIP)

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/030608dnpolcrenshaw.3cf3d35.html

[LittleClarkie]

1. He said she said. Should be interesting when more info comes in

to see who's the bullshitter and who is not.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

4. She could well be lying, but there's nothing in the story to suggest that...

but she's identified as a "Clinton supporter" so we must KNOW she's lying.

[anigbrowl]

11. You said it - not anyone else.

[LittleClarkie]

25. I said that either side could be telling the truth

that is all I said.

[Emit]

19. Here's her take on the matter

She's been posting about her experiences here:

http://frontburner.dmagazine.com/2008/03/05/re-precinct...

With rather lengthy comments

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

21. That's amazing stuff. She certainly isn't laying low...

A lawyer would discourage anyone from such extensive posting on a disputed topic, but she has practically written a book on that blog.

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sandra crenshaw @ March 6th, 2008 at 12:19 am

Hey guys I am Sandra Crenshaw and I want the film and the video and soon as possible then I will be able to identify the persons who

1. Followed the instructions of the Obama New Mexico “attorneys’ hereafter referred to as attorneys” who directed the Obama delegates to declare themselves the chair and snatch the official delegate sheets from me. After they stole the lists I told them that any person turning those sign in sheets other than me (I signed an affidavit that I would be legally held responsible for the documents )the scoundrels will be prosecuted for tampering with a government document. The documents were returned to me.

I will also be able to identify the person who snatched the sign in sheets from the Clinton supporters. I also instructed the conventioneers that Texas is the only state that allows an uncommitted category so if there were any government workers or the media or those were afraid to be a Hillary supporter or anyone who did not want to reveal how they voted could sign in uncommitted.

2. With the video tape I will be able to identify the women who were instructed by the Obama attorneys at 9:50p.m. to drag me out of the building to “make me take” the sign in sheets to the “elections” department because their vote would not count if it was not in by 10 pm.

Earlier I advised the conventioneers that the ballot count at the polls would be used to calculate the number of delegates to the national convention from the 23rd Senatorial Convention. Further, I held the official election day ticket tape from precinct 3549 with the count being 70 for Hillary and 528 for Obama. I said that if the count holds true for the entire 23rd District, Obama would get all of the 6 delegates from the 23rd Senatorial District to cast the votes for Obama at the national convention.
2. I instructed the attorneys that I had informed the conventioneers from Pct. 3549 earlier that I don’t do Illinois and I don’t do New York much less New Mexico. I told the attorneys that if they did not vote in Pct 3549 for the primary they were not allowed in our convention. I advised them that “I was skinning this cat and all they could do was hold the tail” The attorneys refused to leave accusing me of being less than transparent. I agreed to let them stay but mandated that they were prohibited from giving further instructions to my delegation or I would leave. They disagreed and I proceeded to put my things up and go home. All week, my block captains were advised to tell the neighborhood to walk or carpool so that the seniors could have the limited parking spaces, therefore I left the building on foot, the attorneys ran after me bumping into a senior citizen and proceeded chasing me down the street, taking camera pictures while the precinct conventioneers jumped into their vehicles to follow me and just as the street turned into cul de sac I planned to run through the alley to lose them. One of the Obama delegates who will be witness to the intimidation told me to get into his car because he feared that they might do me harm. Then the attorneys started harassing him and taking pictures of his car tags. To keep them from following me to my house and disturbing my 80 year old parents that I care for. I advised the ones harassing me to meet me at Denny’s so I could go home. I then instructed the driver to go through the dark and wooded area of the neighborhood to determine if they were following me. While at a stop sign, I got out of the car and identified the ring leader who was in fact following me. I instructed the driver to take me to the police substation so that I could file criminal stalking and harassment charges. I have been in the neighborhood for over 30 years and had never seen these people before. The ring leader followed me inside thinking that the police station was the elections department and proceeded to tell the DPD officers that I had stolen the voting ballots and that the Obama votes would not be counted. She said that the Attorneys told them the race for the delegates was neck in neck. The police asked me to open my purse to see if the ballots were there. Earlier during the convention ,on at least two occassions, the ringleaders called DPD with false allegations and I advised DPD that the Dallas County Sheriff’s Department and the FBI were in charge of ballot security and futher I would get the tapes of those who called 911 the next day . I want those individual prosecuted because I do not take kindly to individuals who tie up crime fighters in the most crime ridden city in the nation especially out of towners. The ringleader called the rest of the Obama people on her cell phone who were lost or who were went to Denny’s.

Once of the reasons the process was taking so long was the Obama campaign’s own doing. With the aide of a microphone I called the convention to order at 7:48 and instructed the secretary to record the time I believe this was a record time to start a convention considering that there was almost 700 people there. The Obama people told the delegates that the Election judge who was for Hillary was going to shut the door down at 7:00 p.m. and not let them in to vote the second time. The polling room was the smallest of all the staging areas because these voters trickeled in and the Obama people stampeded in we had staging area in the gym for the first time voters. The election judge set up with eight machines, hired six clerks, and set up an additional 12 chairs for seniors to wait while seated. The election judge had Hell trying to tell them to let the people in the polling site who had not voted the “first time.” and that they did not have to vote again. They were yelling ” then why am I here or why did they give me this yellow slip and told me to come back to vote again. The Obama people said they were told that if they did not vote the second time their first vote would not count. After the polls closed the election judge allowed those in line to come in. When the polls closed she could not complete the paperwork for the Obama people beating on the door to let them in and vote again. This delayed the convention. The city staff tried to get them to go to the gym that I had reserved for a “holding area” for the sign in procedure. I was prohibited by law from starting the convention process until everyone in line for voting the first time had finished. Those that wanted to stay for the convention would then be asked to proceed to a third room in the center that was set up for 125 to people with. An invitation was given to all voters (95%African Americans) inviting them to a Red Carpet and Bandanas Texas Super Stars Precinct Convention with soul dance instructions for the next dances also known as conventions
( Texas Two step is a Western dance.) They were to be served popcorn in brown paper sacks and cactus juice ( Mountain Dew) and Texas Earl Campbell Links with a big screen plasma TV donated by the recreation center advisory for a watch party. ( Some of them asked why I was putting down red carpet) Two additional seperate rooms were reserved for the two “cacus” By them lining up to vote a “second time” they created a fire hazard and people were being trampled on who were trying to vote and others were fainting and complaining that they were hungry because they had been instructed to arrive at the convention by 6:00p.m. so by 8:00p.m. their blood sugar was off and they had to get back to their kids– so they wanted to go home since this was a school night. Earlier the children were crying because their basketball game was canceled and angry parents wanted to know what was going on in the gym if the basketball game had been canceled. I told the angry and sick ones that I was instructed by law to follow the strict procedures and if we violated these procedures that our delegation would not be seated. I continued to tell them this throughout the medlee. If the DNC would not seat whole state delegations in Florida and Michigan what did they think was going to happen to Pct #3549 One of 8,000 precinct in Texas if our delegation did not follow the rules. Some of the Hillary people and the senior citizens for Obama began to cry. The Obama people were shouting that I was stalling the convention while others said I did not take the time explain the rules to them, which is one of the things that I am required to do. I then asked how many people wanted to go to the senatorial convention and I asked for all of the block captains and those who wanted to go as delegates to report to the room reserved for the convention. A head count of the above indicated that they accounted for less than the number of delegation alloted for the senatorial convention.(68)

When I advised those who wanted to go home because they were not going to vote “twice” for Obama as they had been advised and since there were less candidates than the precinct allotment, everyone eligible that I sent to the convention area could go to the convention if they wanted to and I advised them that all the alternates would be seated at the convention if any of the delegates failed to show up.

By the way I hope those who will be prosecuted for their wrong doings at Pct.#3549 do not try to hire the “attorney”s for defense attorneys because if they really are attorneys chances are they don’t have a license to practice law in Texas, I suspect they don’t have a bar card at all and if so they will get prosecuted in Texas for practicing law without a lawyer and they certainly will be prosecuted when these videos show up for disenfranching voters.

The videographer who is trying to blackmail the Obama campaign needs to get an attorney quick. Bush and Sanchez had similar folks prosecuted for the same acts. His tape will not be admitted in court because he could have edited out the Obama wrongdoings but he WILL be investigated for taking videos and violating the privacy rights of the voters.

Oh, by the way, convention chairs have until 6:00 on Thursday to turn in the lists to the PARTY office and not the elections department. Because of all of the confusion, many of the delegates signed in and left but they did not complete the form and since I have their phone numbers, I advised the crowd (that was trying to steal the lists from me )that I would call the MIA delegates or go by their homes to get the missing information tommorow before I could turn the delegation sign in sheets.

The vote at the election day polls was 520-70 and the delegation on the official sign in sheets was 100% Obama ( get a copy of what was turned in that night to the Party Chair who was commissioned by the Dallas Police Department to come and settle the Obama People down. The Hillary voters called me on my cell and told me that obama people did not allow them sign the sheets. ( Convention rules If the Hillary delegation did not have enough for a delegate they could go to the convention as an Obama which is what we all will pledge out support to Obama if he wins the nomination. Both are Democrats and we all are in this together . Now turn that into the press. Some Obama people even signed in twice on the official delegation sheets The party is validating if those delegates that signed even live in Dallas much less in Texas because they left their voter registration numbers off which is something else that delayed the process while I was trying to look up their numbers. I know for a fact that Obama came to Dallas with a huge delegation from Chicago. Verify this at the hotel on Elm St. next to the DART station. I have black friends in Nevada who came to the Hillary Campaign to see Hillary at the rally and to report what the Obama campaign did to them there. They came to intimidate and when I called them on the carpet they all said that they were attorneys or attorney’s wives even the homeless ones. i reported all of this to Senator West asking for Peace treaty because I did not want black people potrayed across the country as monkeys.

Bob, I’m not surprised at your statements, Hillary has been portrayed as every thing negative about females, even a witch
So I am used to being portrayed as negative that is why I bond with Hillary twice and Obama only as a black person.
My lawyer is reviewing the description in the headlines here for a libel suit and I suspect this was the job of a Sandra Crenshaw haters in Dallas. Now print that D. Magazine

Tell Michelle Obama that for the first time in my adult life I am proud to be a Texan where our delegation selection plan will produce 228 delegates that will reflect the diversity of our great state with 50% men and 50% women, 12% African Americans, 30% hispanics and youth under 35. Now print that

Tell the ALL those from across the world who swarmed our great city to read the road signs along the highway that say “Don’t Mess with Texas.

More tommorrow.

[Emit]

22. And I don't think that is her only post there

I didn't read it all, though, so I'm uncertain

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

24. Yes, there are many more comments by her

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sandra crenshaw @ March 6th, 2008 at 10:58 am

Tey i do notknow your ethniticy or your age, but the elite power structure has always portrayed black people as monkeys. I suspect that if you are a young person black or otherwise you don’t know the history and the ruling elists effort to convince the public that blacks come from monkeys and are not capabble of governance to justify slavery or the guilt associated with the oppression we suffered. On the View this morning, they acknowledged that the campaign through the media had the voters fire up by misleading them.

That’s why dwayne caraway and others are trying hard to keep our children from following the media’s attempt to glamourize the criminal elements and the gangster world. So you need to ask somebody.

Asking me to stop doing something is like inviting me to the soap box and I will use every chance at the mike to reaffirm what I said . You look at those videos.
Channel 8 Debra DEnman told the voters to vote early and return to the polls to vote again. I e-mailed channel 8 for a correction and they said they were just reporting what they had been told. The party said they could not take responsibility for others interpretations of what they said. I went to both camps and called in to radio shows predicting that there was going to be bedlam when they were not allowed to VOTE twice. Don’t play with my people. Somebody is going to be held accountable for this. Older black people take their votes seriously, some of their parents died trying to get us the right to vote and I am willing to die to see to it that they get to exercise it. You just gave the platform and the enemies tuesday night just gave me the mike.

[BeyondGeography]

2. The only crime here is someone thinking Denny's is a good place to eat dinner

Breakfast, yes. Dinner, no.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

3. Looks like she was trying to take caucus sign-in sheets according to this report.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/03/06/lavandera.texas.caucus.cnn?iref=videosearch

[thevoiceofreason]

5. A caucus chair cannot leave the location with the paperwork. Period.

That is a Class B misdemeanor.

Plus, if the caucus was that full of Obama supporters, then you get everyone signed up, then call for election of the convention permanent chair. They will elect their person and then there is no problem.

The stories I have heard is that she would not allow all the Obama supporters to sign in.

Another Class B misdemeanor.

[Divernan]

8. Since there were more Obama supporters, she wouldn't have been elected

permanent chair. Party officials said Obama supporters far outnumbered Clinton supporters. Throw the book at her! As a "former city council member", she evidently was really trying to deliver for HRC - perhaps in hopes of future political backing or a federal job.

Ya know --- it's the same thing we see around DU - something about supporting HRC pushes people off the deep end. I mean, look at the OP - a strong HRC supporter. First he grossly distorted the headline of the story to try to slam Obama supporters. Then he evidently fails the reading comprehension test that this story is great for Obama and shows Clinton's supporter to be a criminal.

[John Q. Citizen]

10. "...something about supporting HRC pushes people off the deep end." That's true.Not in

every case, but often enough that it makes me wonder.

[Divernan]

15. And I think the one's that aren't rabid extremists must be getting a little nervous,

looking around and wondering just what kind of a group they've hooked up with.

[Divernan]

6. Dem party officials seem to side with Obama's people's version.

The Clinton supporter/chairperson offered no explanation other than that she was being chased.

"Democratic Party officials say they're still trying to figure out just what happened at the Singing Hills Recreation Center. So far, they know that Obama voters far outnumbered Clinton fans – and they say it appears that Ms. Crenshaw intended to use voting totals from earlier in the day to ensure that Mrs. Clinton received some of the precinct's delegates."

[John Q. Citizen]

7. I'm just glad the police conficated the sign in sheet from her. Protect the documents so Obama gets

his fair share of delegates.

Sounds like this Crenshaw person, a Hillary supporter according to the article, will do anything to win.

[anigbrowl]

9. K+H, you're being dishonest

Here's what came after the snip:
***
Inside the station, police confiscated the sign-in documents and called the Dallas County Democratic Party chairwoman, raising the possibility of voter fraud.
***

And you know this K&H, because you were complaining about the thread title on another thread where that same information appeared in the OP.

[Divernan]

13. Evidently HRC's lack of respect for the truth spreads like a virus to her supporters.

[juajen]

12. If what she says is true, it's very much like Florida in 2000.

Outsiders posing as Floridians demanding that the vote counts stop. Bullying in other words until you get your way. IF true, it could certainly be in sync with what we have heard about Obama caucuses all over the country. However, this is only the second time that I have heard that it was "outsiders" or people not from the caucus state. Interesting. Anyone else hear anything similar?

[anigbrowl]

16. Oh, 'outsiders'

This from the woman who had stuff confiscated by the police. I'll wait for the full investigation.

[C_U_L8R]

14. Without proof this is all bullshit

from, no surprise, the team who seems to be expert in spouting bullshit.
I wouldn't expect less from them.

[Divernan]

18. The proof is in the whole article, with the police statements.

Can't tell which "team" you're referring to. Would that be the OP's team, or us Obama Allstars?

[C_U_L8R]

20. I don't believe Crenshaw.

If she has tapes, well then lets see them.
It sounds more like clintonian hanky panky with the sign-in sheets

[ruggerson]

17. Caucuses are such a wonderful way to pick our nominee

[sjdnb]

23. Both sides need to cool it and not allow others to

incite this sort of hostility.

The media is hyping people into a frenzied state and, sooner or later, the grown ups need to step in.

The primaries and caucuses are under staffed and many of the staff who are their are unprepared due to extremely poor training and/or lack of support. There is no excuse. Anyone who watched Iowa and had any primary experience had to know this was going to happen.

[johnnydrama]

26. if the police

if the police actually confiscated the sign up sheets from her at the police station, doesn't that prove that she was illegaly taking the sign up sheet outside the caucus.

I don't know how you can spin that one away?