You know Ray Mabus? The one defending Barack in Mississippi?

[Maddy McCall]

The former governor of Mississippi?

Let me tell ya about this guy.

When Mabus' wife Julie went to her priest for counseling when the couple was having marital problems, Mabus taped her supposedly confidential session with her priest, and then used it against her in divorce court.

The guy is slime.

[better tomorrow]

1. is he the Mabus in the Nostradamus verse? If so....

where is my tinfoil hat?

[Maddy McCall]

2. No. He's a sleezeball ex-governor who hates women.

So his attacks on Hillary completely fall in line with his history of the way he treats women. What he did to his own wife, the mother of his children, is indefensable.

[maryallen]

127. Now, the REST of the story:

Governor Ray Mabus was appointed as Ambassador to Saudi Arabia by WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON in 1994.
Mabus went to Saudi Arabia unaccompanied by his wife, Julie, and their children.
When he returned two years later, he discovered that Julie was involved in an ongoing affair.

The priest was their Episcopal priest whom Mabus solicited for couples' counseling.
Mabus did tape record the meeting. It is not against the law in MS.
The counseling was unsuccessful and the couple divorced, with Ray Mabus receiving custody of the children. He (Mabus) eventually agreed to amend the arrangement in favor of joint custody.

[Bake]

143. Whether the taping was legal or not, it was still lower than whale shit.

Mabus is not terribly well-thought of in this state.

Defend him all you want, Obamatrons. He's vermin.

Bake

[Emit]

130. And what about what his wife did to him and his children?

Does that count in your book?

[peoli]

8. yes it is. When he dies, its over.

[better tomorrow]

9. I was being funny......

or thought I was. You know, MABUS will soon die......and then there will come a rout of men or something like that. Nostardamus big discussion on the web......lighten up.

[better tomorrow]

11. not you, horse...the other one.

[peoli]

33. yeah I know all about it. When I saw his name a few months ago...

I totally looked him on wiki and elsewhere. It is funny. Unless he really is the one. Then we are all doomed!

[better tomorrow]

41. I still think it is M. Abbas......

but maybe it could be this guy. His state is yet to come......and there is an awful "rout of men".
Glad to see someone else who knows about this.

[Tellurian]

111. Someone did the "mabus" thing with Obama's name..

The 4th letter in his last name= M

The 2nd letter in his first name=A

The 1st letter of his first name=B

The 2nd letter of his middle name=U

The 3rd letter of his middle name=S

just sayin!

[thevoiceofreason]

135. Get back on your meds.

[Catherine Vincent]

139. They did it with Barbara Bush too. nt

[Hawkeye-X]

3. So how is this Mabus guy in connection with the Obama campaign?

If this is all the smear you Mississippians have, then Clinton has no chance of winning the state.

[rodeodance]

23. see my post below regarding the ad he is running with BO

[OzarkDem]

4. Nice guy, another sexist for Obama

[Maddy McCall]

7. A dirty sexist who used the his wife's faith in her church against his wife.

A disgusting sexist.

[OzarkDem]

54. Yes, but Obama supporters think that's ok

Wimmin is trash, anyway. Sent by the bebil hisself to make men sin!

[rodeodance]

59. He is the ad that Mabus is now showing in Miss

Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject Obama launches negative radio ad in Mississippi
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4933933#4933933
4933933, Obama launches negative radio ad in Mississippi
Posted by carlotta on Thu Mar-06-08 05:31 PM

CNN) – Barack Obama’s campaign has debuted a new radio ad in Mississippi called "Respect," highlighting what they call “derogatory” remarks Hillary Clinton made about the state late last year.

The ad also argues that Obama will “practice his Christian faith by respecting us” — an apparent push-back against the false Muslim rumors that have dogged him throughout the campaign.

In the 30-second spot, former Mississippi Governor Ray Mabus, an Obama supporter, derides Clinton for comments she made last fall singling out the state’s record of electing female politicians.

<snip>

Mabus accuses the Clinton campaign of calling Mississippi voters “second class.”

“Now I don’t know about you, but I’m tired of people putting us down,” Mabus says in the ad. “Tired of politicians trying to divide our nation instead of lifting it up.”


Oh, brother. I'm so glad Obama's going to be practicing his Christian faith by respecting us. Does he mean it's Christian to keep women down?

[rodeodance]

63. here is article where Mabus gets together to chat about the comment:

http://www.sunherald.com/278/story/414671.html

Clinton's Mississippi comment blasted
Her campaign downplays remark
By MICHAEL NEWSOM
[e-mail]


JACKSON --
Sen. Barack Obama's supporters in Mississippi took Sen. Hillary Clinton to task Wednesday over comments she made about the Magnolia State while on the campaign trail last year.

But a Clinton campaign official said her words about Mississippi are being taken out of context.

The Capitol City was abuzz Wednesday as both former President Clinton and candidate Hillary Clinton announced they would visit the state this week in anticipation of Tuesday's presidential primary.

Not long before the announcement Wednesday that Hillary Clinton would attend a function in Canton today, former Democratic Gov. Ray Mabus and Hattiesburg Mayor Johnny DuPree met at Obama's Jackson campaign office for a quick press briefing on Clinton's remarks. While on the campaign trail this past October, Clinton told the Des Moines Register she was shocked that Iowa would be ranked with Mississippi in anything.

"I was shocked when I learned Iowa and Mississippi have never elected a woman governor, senator or member of Congress," Clinton told the paper. "There has got to be something at work here. How can Iowa be ranked with Mississippi? That's not the quality. That's not the communitarianism, that's not the openness I see in Iowa.'"

[rodeodance]

70. this the Lott connection and the apology from Hillary:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20 ...

Lott Waits for Clinton's Apology and Gets One

By Mary Ann Akers And Paul Kane
Thursday, October 25, 2007; Page A23

It's a good thing she apologized, because Sen. Trent Lott (R-Miss.) was fixin' to give Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) a piece of his mind.

Lott was on the cusp of issuing a serious condemnation of the Democratic presidential front-runner for insulting the Magnolia State this week when his phone rang.

"To her credit, she called me and apologized," Lott told On the Hill.

Clinton chose wisely to make the quick apology after insulting Mississippians with a comment she made in an interview with Iowa's most important political reporter, the Des Moines Register's David Yepsen. Clinton was quoted expressing complete "shock" at learning that Iowa and Mississippi were the only states that have never elected a female governor or a female member of either chamber of Congress.

"How can Iowa be ranked with Mississippi?" she asked, implying the Hawkeye State is above such distinction. "That's not the quality. That's not the communitarianism, that's not the openness I see in Iowa."

Lott was furious when aides notified him of the put-down. He said he wanted to sound off right away but instead paused and waited to read the entire context of her remarks, something he said he has learned to do the hard way because of his own various guffaw-inducing statements over the years. (Those include not just his praise of the 1948 Dixiecrat presidential candidate Strom Thurmond, but also his comments after Clinton won her Senate race in 2000 that "maybe lightning will strike" her and she would die before getting sworn into the chamber.) "I understand that we sometimes say what we don't always mean to say," Lott said.

Still, he is a little disturbed that Clinton views Mississippi as politically sexist. He noted that the last two lieutenant governors have been women and that the first female jurist was recently appointed to the state's U.S. District Court.

Plus, Lott added, who is Clinton to talk? "Having lived in Arkansas, which is something of a whipping boy, too, she knows better than that," Lott said.

[Tellurian]

119. So, it took how many years to elect a female Lt. Governor?

and a female Judge..

Lott is a Fundy nutcase all the way!

[rodeodance]

142. yes, i know he is.

[Frank Booth]

147. Yes, that's all very good

but here's the real question: Why does Hillary hate the good people of Mississippi?

And don't try to tell me that making a phone call to her good friend Trent Lott makes it all OK.

[thevoiceofreason]

79. Adultress

Bill Clinton, different gender

[Emit]

98. Ahh, but she was the one who had the affair

so, does that make them both slime?

[thevoiceofreason]

136. Bullshit -- she cheated on him while he was an ambassador!

[Emit]

100. What other sexists are on your 'Sexists for Obama' list?

I'm curious

[blm]

125. And what does Bill do with cigars when he's not protecting BushInc's secrecy and privilege?

.

[Blue_Roses]

140. ...

:spray:

:popcorn:

[RBInMaine]

5. Slime like Norman Hsu now in jail from whom Hill took tons of $ ?

[rodeodance]

27. stay focused --start another thread if you must bring up this issue please

[thewiseguy]

6. You have a pattern of discrediting Obama backers

Grow up.

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[OzarkDem]

Facts have a way of catching up with Obama

Welcome to DU :hi:

[JuniperLea]

85. That is what the vetting process is all about...

It's patriotic to do this.

Seems you are the one who needs some growth.

[book_worm]

12. I wonder if he ever had a blow job from an intern?

[Maddy McCall]

14. Kind of makes you look like a hypcrite for bringing that up now, doesn't it?

[book_worm]

22. No, not at all. If you're going to call Obama's supporters sleaze

then I'll bring up Hillary's number one supporter.

[rodeodance]

31. You are obsessed with Bills penis--seek some counseling please

[wndycty]

15. Man I thought you were going to tell me he got a blow job in his office from an intern. . .

. . .and then humiliated his wife and daughter in front of the whole country.

:kick:

[Maddy McCall]

17. Well, it's hard for you to continue with that criticism when Mabus did worse.

[anigbrowl]

112. Yeah, because catching an adulterer is so not cool

I mean, how dare he divorce someone that cheated on him, and obtain proof of the fact. Horrible.

What else you got?

[wileedog]

18. End. Of. Thread. nt

[bigtree]

28. he did that in private. It was right-wing slime who insisted on making it a public matter.

YOU are humiliating him for a private sexual affair. As far as I know, sex is still legal in the U.S., and I don't believe that the Clinton affair was a deliberately malicious act toward his wife (and they've since reconciled).

[wndycty]

34. I think adultery is malicious to one's spouse. . .

. . .look I have no problem with Bill Clinton, however having anyone from the Clinton campaign discrediting someone on the basis of a nasty divorce is very hypocritical.

[rodeodance]

57. who from the Clinton campaign are you referring to?

[Cass]

43. Thank you for pointing this out!

:thumbsup:

[rodeodance]

38. You are another one OBSESSED with Bill Clinton's penis. Thread after thread!

[Maddy McCall]

64. He's got Clenis hypnosis.

Once one falls under the spell of the Clenis, all else is unimportant.

:rofl:

[rodeodance]

97. right on!

[southern_dem]

16. Ok so he's a politician

none of them have the highest moral character. What about his words?

[Maddy McCall]

20. Good...glad to know. Then you can't criticize Bill's indescetions anymore.

[rodeodance]

19. Here is the ad that Mabus is running with BO:

Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject Obama launches negative radio ad in Mississippi
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4933933#4933933
4933933, Obama launches negative radio ad in Mississippi
Posted by carlotta on Thu Mar-06-08 05:31 PM

CNN) – Barack Obama’s campaign has debuted a new radio ad in Mississippi called "Respect," highlighting what they call “derogatory” remarks Hillary Clinton made about the state late last year.

The ad also argues that Obama will “practice his Christian faith by respecting us” — an apparent push-back against the false Muslim rumors that have dogged him throughout the campaign.

In the 30-second spot, former Mississippi Governor Ray Mabus, an Obama supporter, derides Clinton for comments she made last fall singling out the state’s record of electing female politicians.

<snip>

Mabus accuses the Clinton campaign of calling Mississippi voters “second class.”

“Now I don’t know about you, but I’m tired of people putting us down,” Mabus says in the ad. “Tired of politicians trying to divide our nation instead of lifting it up.”


Oh, brother. I'm so glad Obama's going to be practicing his Christian faith by respecting us. Does he mean it's Christian to keep women down?

[Maddy McCall]

25. I wish Hillary would contact Julie Mabus and have her do an ad saying ...

that Ray Mabus knows NOTHING about the word "respect."

[rodeodance]

46. good. that would be great.

[merh]

83. She had the affair, she threatened to turn his children against him

and it is Mabus that has no respect?

Did you mention anywhere in this thread or any of the others you have commented in about Mabus that Julie sued the minister and the state and the judge dismissed the action ruling:

Julie filed a motion requesting that Judge Delaughter recuse himself based upon the second-to-last paragraph of the court's order, which stated: "he Mabus children, two young girls, twelve and ten years of age, deserve some measure of privacy and this Court is not willing to even incidentally sacrifice that peace of mind upon the altar of their mother's vain pursuit of lucre."

And on appeal the MS Supreme court upheld the dismissal in toto (to include these comments of the trial judge).

In the end, the chancery court awarded sole legal custody of children to Mabus and joint physical custody to both parents. Mabus, the slime as you put it, is still their father and they don't deserve to have him dragged through the mud because of HRC's "stop at nothing to win" mentality.

[Emit]

103. I think that would not be a good idea

Julie Mabus was the adulterer. Remember? She's the one who had the affair.

edit typo

[FedoraLV]

51. Does he mean it's Christian to keep women down?

Clinton's remarks insulted the women voters of Mississippi, too: I think they will remember that.

A state's value and record on women rest on more than the one criteria whether women served in office: by that standard all of our states were dreadful for the majority of the 20th century ... and our whole country is worse.

Wait, Sen. Clinton just implicitly insulted America and all its female voters. :rotfl: Not good!

-FedoraLV

[laconicsax]

123. "Does he mean it's Christian to keep women down"

Bible says yes.

[cali]

21. Want to talk about Hilly's close friend Dov Hikind?

You know, the scumbag bigot who compares civil unions to incest? the one who hate muslims and is a disiple of terrorist Meir Kahane? Yeah, let's talk about some of dear Hillary's slimebag friends. How about the disceased Sheriff Lee? The one who was a flat out racist and gave a fund raiser for Hill. There are lots more. And I'd be glad to post a few threads all about them.

[rodeodance]

29. go start another thread --you are off focus of the OP

[KAZ]

68. And you are not a thread monitor. Go buy your own server.

[rodeodance]

72. Correct. But very disruptive and NOT contribute to OP with off topics constantly get posted

[cottonseed]

24. Mabus has a cool name and is a genious in divorce proceedings.

[Name removed]

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[cottonseed]

45. Sorry. I just thought it funny that he taped his ADULTOROUS wife in church.

and I still think he has a cool name.

[cottonseed]

50. nt

twice posted

[rodeodance]

105. good god--you think that i funny--shame on you.

[cottonseed]

109. I think you are kind of funny.

Not real funny. But a little funny.

[rodeodance]

114. get a grip

[cottonseed]

117. Stop posting. This will never end.

[Bake]

145. Please go buy a dictionary, or at least a spell checker

If you're going to put in ALL CAPS, at least spell it correctly. You're embarassing your brainiac messiah.

The word you're looking for is "adulterous." Or perhaps "adultress." Who knows? Words matter. From someone who supports a candidate whose sole strength is making speeches, one would think you'd know that.

Bake

[thevoiceofreason]

30. Won't it suck when my cousins, aunts and uncles blow her butt out of the Yazoo River!

[Maddy McCall]

35. It sucks that you have relatives in Mississippi.

[thewiseguy]

40. Insulting the state of Mississippi, what else is new from Hillary fans?

[MonkeyFunk]

48. She lives in MIssissippi, idiot

[Maddy McCall]

49. LOL. This thread is a gold mine of buttwipes, isn't it?

:rofl:

[thevoiceofreason]

47. I bet they woldn't like you either.

And they've been there a lot longer than you.

[Maddy McCall]

52. Well that's something to brag about.

:freak:

[thevoiceofreason]

53. Just a statement of fact, darlin'.

Those doctor folks out there get testy when people try pissing on Mississippi.

[Bake]

146. Some of us actually LIVE here in the Magnolia State, dipwad.

Try again.

Bake

[Emit]

32. Link?

I can no longer trust you Maddy McCall. Sorry, but you lost face when you posted false info and refused to correct it.

[Maddy McCall]

36. I've posted no false info. You want to know more about this, try google.

[Emit]

44. I apologize. I stand corrected. It was MagsDem who I am thinking about

your posts and hers are almost indistinguishable.

Nevertheless, if you are going to make that claim, you should provide a link. It's the appropriate thing to do at DU, IMO.

typo- 'it's'

[Maddy McCall]

60. blah blah blah blah blah.

Whatevs.

[Emit]

74. Yup. Wah'ever.

[anigbrowl]

113. I did. it told me that Mabus divorced his wife because she was having an affair

and he taped her to obtain proof. Well I guess that makes him the bad guy then.

[Emit]

120. I kinda feel like I should rescind my apology, Maddy McCall

after learning more about this case and the adulterous wife and all, I think your thread is disingenuous, to say the least. Kinda backfired, it seems, you supporting an adulterer to try to slime one of Obama's supporters. You might want to rethink what you post in the future, you know, vet the story a little more. And, no, I do not defend his actions, as you're apt to play that game, too.

My gut reaction was correct. A link should've been provided so others could see the entire story before you made your hyperbolic claim.

edit typo

[Lucinda]

94. Link

http://www.churchcentral.com/nw/s/template/Article.html/id/12606

[woolldog]

37. I don't see the problem with that.

divorces can get nasty. I'm sure some of Hillary's supporters have done some nasty things in a divorce, including you perhaps or people you know? Is that relevant? Of course not and neither is this.

Let's all get out of the business of flinging poo at politicians b/c of their personal lives. I don't care who slept with whom or whether so and so had a mistress or not. Let's be adults here, shall we?

[Name removed]

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[woolldog]

67. I didn't say that I would do it. I wouldn't.

But neither am I going to judge him on an issue and situation I know nothing about. Divorces can get nasty.

"Judge not lest ye be judged." (Matt 7:1)

[peoli]

39. Lets stop assuming his wife is an angel. Some wifes are from hell ok? I know.

[Emit]

76. She had an affair apparently

[OzarkDem]

87. Please keep posting and remind everyone you support Obama

Thanks!

[MoonRiver]

42. Birds of a feather...

:puke:

[rodeodance]

84. see some of posts upstream that go along with this thread.

[cottonseed]

55. Little Julie Mabus is a stinking ADULTERER.

Seriously. Are you trying to help Hillary or make her and yourself look like fools?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0207/05/cct.00.html

[Maddy McCall]

58. She went to her priest to discuss her marriage with HER PRIEST.

What her husband did was unethical, amoral. Period.

If you think that anything excuses that, you're an idiot.

[cottonseed]

61. What she did was unethical and amoral! And a sin!

Leave the poor priest alone! He didn't do anything to you.

[cottonseed]

66. Furthermore I denounce and reject your shaming of poor Mabus.

Doesn't your candidate have anything positive that you can point out?

[rodeodance]

89. I agree with OP and it is BO who is shameful for linking up with him!

[cottonseed]

95. I disagree with the OP because the OP don't know Mabus.

There is a lot more to the story then she's letting on.

[rodeodance]

99. I read a lot of the divorse on the net. to know Mabus is a slimball!

[cottonseed]

107. First of all, Mabus is not a slimball and second you've been reading selectively.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4936663&mesg_id=4937915

[rodeodance]

116. I can smell his stink. And do NOT ASSume I read selectively.

[cottonseed]

121. Your relience on your sense of smell is impeding your ability to communicate.

Each successive comment is making less and less sense.

[rodeodance]

134. I knew I was talking with someone who has a reading comprehension problem -now I know for sure.

[Bake]

144. Really? And you know Mabus?

I can tell you that Mississippians aren't crazy about him. I live here. How about you?

Bake

[Renew Deal]

148. Yes she does

She thinks McCain would make a good president.

[thevoiceofreason]

75. You sure she didn't go to her priest to do something else?

[LisaM]

81. How did the court even allow that as evidence?

What court were they in, Kangaroo Court?

[Emit]

106. In Mississippi

surreptitiously taping a conversation is not a crime.

[anigbrowl]

115. Oh, but having an affair si ethical? So she was talking to her priest. Big deal.

[thewiseguy]

65. Hillbots like Maddy do not care for truth. They are paid to say shit

[rodeodance]

77. she gets paid???

[Maddy McCall]

80. I can hook you up. Send me a PM. There's lots of money in this.

I started posting at DU in 2003, just so I'd have deep cover when this moment arrived. 35,000 posts later, I'm making a mint.

I'll hook you up...then we can compete for the gold mercedes.

:rofl:

[rodeodance]

91. ha ha--I know--it was the moranic comment by that poster. I could not resist!1

[LostinVA]

138. You're an idiot

[thevoiceofreason]

62. So Maddy? Got a prediction for Tuesday? Or do you just want to gripe?

I say Obama 62%, Clinton 36%

[sandnsea]

69. I thought you were going to say his wife is a lesbian

I am really sick of the smears from the Clinton supporters, followed by faux outrage any time anybody says a peep about Her Hillariousness.

[Maddy McCall]

71. Cool thing is, now that I've added this to my journal, anytime someone googles...

for Obama and Mabus, my journal will pop up in results.

:D

[sandnsea]

86. And you're so proud

:puke:

And DUers have the nerve to say I'm a bitch. What a bunch of disgusting slime inhabit this board.

[cottonseed]

88. Right now it links to a bunch of nuts that think he's Satan. Or is that you?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=kmS&q=obama+mabus&btnG=Search

[merh]

124. I'm sure the Mabus children will appreciate it.

n/t

[Maddy McCall]

128. When they grow up and find out what their dad and their priest did to their mother...

they'll have much more to deal with than my journal.

[Emit]

129. And what, pray tell , do you think they will think of their own mother?

For her infidelity?

Or does that not matter in your book?

[merh]

141. You don't get it Maddy

She was to blame and she threatened to turn the children against him because she knew she was to blame - she went to the meeting trying to threaten him that if he tried for custody she would destroy him, she would turn his girls against him.

Is that what you think a good mother and a self respecting woman should do?

Case law in Mississippi has always been very clear, unless the mother is unfit to be a mother, if she is abusive, a drunkard, an addict or emotional unstable, the woman generally gets paramount custody. Even if she is gay or if she had an affair.

What Julie Mabus did, the way she behaved with such irrational hate and bent on destruction and emotional damage to the children is why she lost paramount custody. But she didn't loose full custody, they share custody.

What is so sad is that you are so hell bent on HRC being the better of the two candidates that you are allowing irrational hate and emotions to steer you, to control you. Do you know either of Mabus, can you truly be making the judgments you are making.

What does it do for women's rights to encourage a woman to use her children as a weapon against their father?

What will HRC do for women's rights in Mississippi? Will she give our democratic party back bone? Will she make them viable? You know as well as I do that our party leadership in this state sucks, they are wimps and most are DLC, not true democrats. Tell me, who was the last woman that our party supported for national office? How many women have sought national office? Is that our state's fault or is that our fault?

[Maddy McCall]

149. You know....after you directed your "irrational hatred" comment to me...

I think it's best I put you on ignore. That'll hurt less than what I want to say to you right now. When this is over, maybe we can pick up where we left off.

The irrational part is that you want to take a political fight and turn it personal against me. I would NEVER say such a thing to you...I would never criticize you for being "irrational," though I might think it.

Sorry about this, but I think it's best to avoid any additional conflicts that could have a damaging impact on our "friendship."

[Emit]

73. Googling this here's what I learned about Mabus: The Case of the Governor's Adulterous Wife

Law: The Case of the Governor's Adulterous Wife
July 03, 2002
by Kim

Julie had an affair....
...the former Governor wanted to save the marriage.


~snip~

In Mississippi, by the way, surreptitiously taping a conversation is not a crime.

~snip~

Decree
The court found in Mr. Mabus' favor. He also received full custody of the couple's two girls, although he has since allowed joint custody.

The fiery Julie Mabus (now Julie Hines) didn't forget her trusted religious advisor, the Rev. Jerry McBride. She sued him, his church and the Episcopal Diocese of Mississippi for clergy malpractice, breach of duty, fraud and negligence. In her lawsuit, she is seeking compensation for the mental anguish she says she suffered in losing her children and her Christian faith.

(She didn't sue the former Governor, her ex-husband, over the secret taping).

http://www.theinternetparty.org/commentary/c_s.php?td=20020703000131§ion_type=com

[Maddy McCall]

78. She went to her priest to discuss her marital problems as millions of people do each day.

And her priest and her husband colluded to record the session.

It's sick that you think that anything she did would excuse the behavior of her husband and her priest.

If you were a Catholic, how'd you like it if your priest recorded your confession and handed them to the people you had wronged?

It's indefensible. You make yourself look like an ass by trying to find anything you can to excuse this...there's no excusing it.

[Emit]

90. You told me to google it and I did

what's the problem here, Maddy?

I'm not defending anyone.

I just cut and pasted.

[anigbrowl]

118. Boo hoo. She was cheating on her husband and lying about it

You want confidentiality, go visit your lawyer.

[better tomorrow]

82. I was tricked by a priest once...

I confided in him in confession once about a boss who was pressuring me (actually it was the Principal nun I worked for). He had me come to the rectory and we discussed it and then I found out the seal of confession was broken and he could go to the person and confront them. While I was glad for the help, I wondered if it was the right thing to do.....I got fired anyway in the end after she found out when he confronted her. Gee, I wonder, should I have sued?????

[OzarkDem]

93. Yeah, he wanted to save his marriage by taping his wife's confession

to her priest. Riiight. That's the Mississippi legal system for ya!

[Lucinda]

92. Here's a link Maddy

http://www.churchcentral.com/nw/s/template/Article.html/id/12606

JACKSON, Miss. -- Mississippi’s Supreme Court is expected to hear a case that questions a church’s responsibility for unethical behavior, according to The Clarion-Ledger.

Julie Mabus, the ex-wife of former Mississippi Gov. Ray Mabus, is suing St. James Episcopal Church and its former priest, Jerry McBride, for clergy malpractice, breach of duty, fraud and negligence. No trial date has been set.

The case is a test of whether confessions made to clergy members are subject to the same rules as the attorney-client privilege.

The suit alleges that McBride secretly taped Julie Mabus’ admission of an extramarital affair during a confessional, then used the tape in evidence at subsequent divorce and child custody hearings.

The church and McBride are claiming protection under the First Amendment, which prevents the government from intruding in church matters that do not deal with criminal issues. McBride also claims the taping took place during a marital counseling session rather than a private confessional, according to the newspaper

More at link

[better tomorrow]

96. see, there is the proof....they said

it was during a marital counseling session....so, the seal of Confession was most likely broken. But, they don't tell you that. I found out the hard way. So, will she, most likely. But, then, this is the Episcopal Church and not the Catholic so I don't know how their rules work. I just know that unless you are in a confesional, it is all fair game...not just because it is a priest you are talking to. Most likely she will lose.

[merh]

101. And the supreme court ruled that the trial court was correct in

dismissing the lawsuit as the minister gave no spiritual counseling during the time in question, did not act as a minister, but a friend, and no scripture was read, no prayers offered.

¶ 15. A review of the transcript reveals no discussion of the Scriptures or religion and only one mention of God.(fn5) Rather, the conversation was explosive in that it was one man confronting his wife with knowledge of her purported infidelity without any notice to her as to what the arranged meeting was about, and this conversation took place in the presence of another man, who apparently had been through some sort of similar experience. The transcript does not reveal marital counseling by McBride, but rather a confrontation initiated by Ray in an effort to get his wife to admit to an adulterous affair. The wife, reacting to being "backed into a corner," lashed out at times and at other times pleaded that her husband not take the children away from her. Other than the fact that the third person present was a priest, there is no indication of any spiritual or other counseling occurring.

He was there as a friend and it was the exMrs Mabus that ranted and raved, threatened to turn the children against Mabus

A transcript of the recording of the 1998 meeting sets out Ms. Hines's acknowledgment of an affair and her threat to turn their children against Mr. Mabus.

''I hate you,'' she said to her husband. ''I hate you with my very soul. I will hate you till the day I die. And I will tell my children. I will tell my children.''

In the divorce proceedings that followed, a psychiatrist hired by Mr. Mabus referred repeatedly to this statement in recommending that Mr. Mabus be granted legal custody of their two daughters. The court accepted the recommendation, though the former couple have alternate custody of the girls, in six-month intervals.

The custody ruling was unusual, said Mr. Mabus's lawyer, Richard C. Roberts III. ''Down here it's a big deal for someone in Julie's position to lose the custody of two young children,'' he said.

One of the trial court's rulings "< t >he Mabus children, two young girls, twelve and ten years of age, deserve some measure of privacy and this Court is not willing to even incidentally sacrifice that peace of mind upon the altar of their mother's vain pursuit of lucre." Go check out the judge, you might remember his name - Alex Baldwin played him in the movie about the trial that convicted the man who murdered the civil rights leader. I think the movie was "Ghost of Mississippi".

Former Governor Mabus has paramount custody, but they share custody and the girls don't deserve to have their father "slimed" and their parents history dragged public and made national just to get HRC the nomination.

That it is even suggested is despicable.

[Maddy McCall]

104. LOL. You of all people should know how our state supreme court works.

She never had a chance to win.

[merh]

108. What chance did she deserve Maddy.

She was the one that was threatening him with turning his children against him, she was the one that had the affair.

If she didn't want to take part in that meeting she should have left.

Most folks who are in the process of getting divorced are told by their lawyers to not have meetings of this sort and to not be surprised if their every communication with their soon to be ex are recorded.

Sliming the man isn't making any points in the equal rights movement. It truly isn't.

[Emit]

110. Let me guess

because your state supreme court folks are all sexists?

[merh]

122. Actually, in 2004, when the case against the church was decided

it was a moderate court. It was much better then than it is now. Now it is stacked with defense oriented and conservative judges.

Relative to family law, our court is rather fair and normally, short of the mother being a habitual drunkard or druggie or whore or emotionally unbalanced, the woman maintains paramount custody. Our courts have been pretty consistent in that, they believe the mother should be allowed to mother unless remaining the mother would be detrimental to the children.

The tapes were used by a psychiatrist to determine ex Mrs Mabus's emotional stablitiy.

[thevoiceofreason]

102. The real question is: Does the State of Mississippi recognize

A conversation between an Episcopalian minister and her/his parishioner as a priviledged communication?

(P.S. I know the answer, I just want to see if you do!)

[kwenu]

126. HEY MADDIE!!!! DO YOU REMEMBER SANDY BERGER?????

Sandy Berger currently serves as a foreign policy adviser to Senator Hillary Clinton in her presidential campaign.

Let me tell you about this ass-hat.

Sandy Berger stole classified documents from the National Archives in Washington, D.C. Berger served as President Clinton's National Security Adviser and as such had special access to confidential archived documents---at least until he got caught sticking those classified documents in his socks.

In 2005, Berger pleaded GUILTY to unauthorized removal and retention of classified material. HILLARY CLINTON, makes really bad choices. She hired a CONVICT AS HER campaign's foreign policy adviser and voted for the IRAQ war.

Tell HILLARY that you're tired of her legacy of corruption, lies and cronyism.

VOTE TO MAKE OBAMA YOUR DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE SO WE CAN HAVE A PRESIDENT THAT WON'T DRAG US THROUGH FOUR YEARS OF SCANDAL AND BAD DECISIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[AtomicKitten]

132. Sandy Berger.

[MonkeyFunk]

133. LOL

Usually I have to go to Freerepublic to see attacks like that on Sandy Berger.

And what's he got to do with the OP?

[cottonseed]

131. The OP and Thread. A microcosm of your typical Clinton campaign.

Take 1 Volkswagen size pile of dung. Stick finger in and fling a little at opponent. Opponent retaliates resulting in both parties mired in said pile of dung. A single finger emerges from dung accompanied by shouts of, "Hillary's number one!". Everyone comes out covered in #%$@.

[MadBadger]

137. And Bill Clinton cheated on his wife several times.

The both have dbag supporters.