"Guess What? Obama Is Winning Texas" ConsortiumNews Lisa Pease

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Guess What? Obama Is Winning Texas
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2008/030608a.html

Lisa Pease, CONSORTIUM NEWS

Hillary Clinton beat Barack Obama by a 51-48 margin in the Texas primary and claimed a net gain of four delegates. But Obama appears to be more than erasing Clinton's advantage by winning the Texas caucus phase, as historian Lisa Pease reports. March 6, 2008

Tuesday night, as the polls closed, the media proclaimed Barack Obama the winner of Vermont and gave all the other state contests of the day -- Ohio, Rhode Island, and Texas -- to Hillary Clinton.

But there was one big problem. A Texas-sized problem.

The election results from the Lone Star State’s caucuses had only just started coming in.

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When the media proclaimed Clinton the victor in Texas, the caucus results were simply not part of the equation. But now that more than 24 hours have passed, something fascinating is happening.

Obama appears to be winning Texas.

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f you add the primary and caucus delegates together, Clinton gets 95 delegates, but Obama gets 98, a net gain of three.

If current trends hold, Obama will win Texas by earning the overall delegate victory.

This would hardly be a surprise, given that Obama has won 11 out of the 13 caucuses held so far and 11 states in a row going into last Tuesday.


http://www.consortiumnews.com/2008/030608a.html

[my2sense]

1. Where is the MSM on this story

Oh, I forgot, busy kissing Hillary's ass.

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9. They're creating some new results for the next few primaries;)

They'll blame us by saying, the public wants to know early.

So if we said we wanted our poison early, they'd serve it up?

[RiverStone]

15. They must of forgot about TX already...

I have not seen the caucus even mentioned as a footnote.

[LulaMay]

2. Why is anyone happy when the popular vote isn't reflected?

I am a HRC supporter, and I wouldn't be happy about it if it was in her favor.

It's just plain wrong.

[Botany]

6. The popular vote was currupted by a massive campaign of cross over

votes from repugs. Counties that went for bush in 04 showed
no votes for republicans in the last primary but tons of votes
for dems i.e. Hillary.

The caucus vote might reflect the real feelings of texans.

[rpannier]

8. What's interesting about that arguement is...

When the republikkans crossed over and voted for Obama in previous primaries the argument from Obama supporters was that they loved Obama and they supported him.

When they cross over for HRC they are corrupting the process.

Primaries and caucuses need to be Party only. No Independents and no republikkans

[Botany]

13. Complex yes but there is a difference

People crossing over as repubs. or indies who vote for Obama
are doing so because they want Barack as President .... those
voting for Clinton on the whole are doing so as to keep a republican
in the White House.

Look @ the data from Ohio

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x498484

[rpannier]

14. So you say

You need data from every primary where crossover voting was allowed that has already occurred to prove your point.

Your argument falls flat unl;ess you produce data to show those republikkans want Obama and not they don't like Clinton, but will vote republikkan in the GE

[LulaMay]

19. The record of people supporting cross over voting as long as it benefits their candidate is clear.

That is the main point.

[Botany]

20. Look @ the data from Ohio @ the link

223% turn out of registered dems?

[LulaMay]

18. I agree wholeheartedly. Only members of our party should get to choose our candidate.

[thunder rising]

7. I know this is hard for HRC folks, IT'S THE RULES IN TX. Everybody except HRC and M$M knew about it

[rpannier]

11. Face it...

If it went the other way and HRC was the beneficiary the arguments for and against would be flipped. HRC supporters would say that we knew that going in and Obama would supporters would be complaining that the popular will was not being reflected.

[thunder rising]

22. Wrong! Obama started every speech with instructions for the conventions.

[rpannier]

27. Oh, please...

Both sides SUPPORTERS make the same arguements depending on which side of the fence their on.

If you haven't noticed it, you've been incredibly selective about which posts you've been reading.

Try reading more "WAHHHHH!!! It's not fair! They're cheating!!!" etc posts from both sides.

For Obama: Starting with discussions on super delegates, then move on to Vermont and keep going.

For Clinton: Begin just about anywhere. Because they feel they've been shafted by everyone.

For Edwards (whom I supported): The media hates us!

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10. Trust in the announced vote totals - faith in a fable.

[Johonny]

16. here's why

The caucus is a reflection of the ability of a candidate to build an organizational structure. The popular vote is a mixture of the ability of a candidate to a be famous and liked (I.E. popular). In this race it's pretty clear Hillary is popular. She's probably the most famous American (non-sitting president) to run for the office in a very long time for the Democrats. It seems to me the fact Obama is winning the caucuses pretty much makes it laughable that Hillary is somehow more ready on day 1 to organize and run the White House. However it certainly isn't laughable to point out Hillary has a powerful built in known entity quantity that is appealing to many voters. Clearly a perfect candidate would have both these factors. Will a united ticket get the best of both Obama and Clinton. Unlikely because the bottom of most tickets gets very, very little say so power in the GE. Either way the fact Hillary can't win these caucuses and Obama doesn't do as well in popular vote is a knock against both of them. But one isn't > than the other if the Dems use what they've learned about their weak points in the GE.

[TheDonkey]

3. Both processes actually pick TX delegates. Obama is winning TX!

The MSM will ignore this because it goes against their new narrative of Obama's decline and the race never ending.

[thunder rising]

4. This is no surprise to those that understood the process. M$M hubris covering ignorance (as usual)

[Crazy Dave]

5. It's a "we called it first" thing

Every network wants to be the one who can claim they were the first at calling....

And if they're wrong....no big deal as the public has short term memory.

[Binka]

12. Remember Bush's Cousin Worked For Fox in 2000

They called it for Bush and the SCOTUS actually used the fucking rational in their bogus decision. The "it will Hurt Bush' Presidency if the counting continues" bullshit defense. The Corpo Media wants hillary in the GE because they KNOW RWers will stampede to the polls to beat her!

[hell-bent]

17. Caucuses are a frigging joke!

Hillary won the real contest by 4 percentage points. This is the real will of the voters. Spin it it all you like, your candidate did not get the majority of the votes in the real contest."No you didn't!"

[FedoraLV]

21. Then you dismiss the process

that put Bill Clinton in the White House -- twice?

The time to work to change the system in any state is not when you candidate is loosing, it must come from the thoughtful and informed consent of the citizens of that state in non-election years.

More background on Texas:

<http://reason.com/blog/show/125327.html>

Where is the Hillary Clinton who was moved nearly to tears at the thought of people thinking of this as a horse race rather than what is best for our country, as a whole? (Barack Obama has always spoken in terms of us, as a nation, and not of this race as a personal triumph. Clinton keeps giving me the sense that if she wins she'll be vindicated for unspecified sufferings and indignities, even when she says 'we' I hear 'I'.)

-FedoraLV

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23. Caucuses build the party's strength and legions for the general election

There's a reason they've survived. They gather the intense and faithful, promote a real dialog where primary opponents are in the same room, and the outcome generates a motivated crew for the general election.

If you'd said the way we conduct our elections, primaries or the generals, in this country is a "frigging joke" I'd endorse that 100% We have the same machines, same vendors, same purging of the poor and minorities from the registration rolls, same b.s. with the networks calling elections 20 minutes after the polls close, etc. That process denies any candidate a shot at legitimacy when victory occurs.

[AtomicKitten]

24. I knew I should have made a Margarita before logging on.

Since the Clinton campaign complained that the MSM isn't being sensitive to their needs :eyes: I wonder if this will even be a blip on the radar screen. The NAFTA Canada switcheroo was a dirty trick crafted in Karl Rove's garage, but only Keith Olbermann is reporting on it in any depth.

Up on deck is Pennsylvania, a huge state with Clinton friendlies lying about the place and now the Limbaugh-driven crusade to muck up the process.

This election is an E ticket ride that is making me nauseous.

K&R

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30. Those monks are rokken!

It's all good. The media is simply dreadful, for the most part.

What can we do?

:shrug:

[msedano]

31. Caucus Margarita aka the Barbarita

a good tequila, Cuervo Tradicional.
fresh lime juice, I use seedless bearss limes
prepared sugar (sugar & jamaica flowers)
salt

to make the prepared sugar, take a handful of jamaica and whiz in a blender with 2 cups or more of sugar until the jamaica is dispersed throughout the sugar.

add a cup of lime juice to a slight cup sugar and steep for a while, stir well to dissolve the sugar.

1/2 tequila 1/2 lime-sugar-jamaica mix

splash of cointreau, splash triple sec (splash = < 1/2 volume of tequila-lime

put in blender, add crushed ice to double the volume of liquid and whiz several minutes to make a thick slush.

dip the goblet or those fancy tequila glasses in lime juice, dip in salt that you treated with jamaica as with the sugar

dump a dollop of the frozen liquor into the glass. if it's not thick, whiz more ice into the mixture.

the jamaica lends a red color, bits of flotsam, and exquisite bitterness that is counteracted by the sweetness. float tuaca liqueur over the slush. tell your guests it's ok to spit out the little bits of jamaica. that's part of the experience of a poorly run campaign: you take in what's good and useful and spit out the detritus (we'll take cliinton's voters but not their candidate or henchassholes).

the above, actually called a "Barbarita" in honor of my first wife, is what turned on those monks, i suspect.

if you use this recipe, please give proper credit to mvs and visit the weblinks below.

recommended.

[1776Forever]

25. Ariba and Upwards! Texas you are in my heart and on my mind! Bless you!

:headbang: :yourock: :headbang:

Gracious - Thank you!

[Melissa G]

26. We know our neighbors and we know if they generally vote republican

Our town has a bit over 400 folks and we all know each other. There were definitely 'pubs who crossed over to vote this time and it was not conversion on their part. We KNOW these folks.

These same folks did NOT however, have the hubris to come caucus with their friends and neighbors who knew them.:eyes: A quick vote is one thing. Hanging and chatting with motivated activists is quite another. They'd never be able to live it down or pull it off with their self respect intact.
We'd be too friendly and welcome them into all our activities! :evilgrin:

[barack the house]

28. The news is getting better and better today. Plus this in Cali...

http://calitics.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=5248

[PseudoIntellect]

29. HRC fans think she won.

Therefore, she did. I mean, math doesn't matter, right? We can always sway some superdelegates.