Obama launches negative radio ad in Mississippi

[carlotta]

CNN) – Barack Obama’s campaign has debuted a new radio ad in Mississippi called "Respect," highlighting what they call “derogatory” remarks Hillary Clinton made about the state late last year.

The ad also argues that Obama will “practice his Christian faith by respecting us” — an apparent push-back against the false Muslim rumors that have dogged him throughout the campaign.

In the 30-second spot, former Mississippi Governor Ray Mabus, an Obama supporter, derides Clinton for comments she made last fall singling out the state’s record of electing female politicians.

<snip>

Mabus accuses the Clinton campaign of calling Mississippi voters “second class.”

“Now I don’t know about you, but I’m tired of people putting us down,” Mabus says in the ad. “Tired of politicians trying to divide our nation instead of lifting it up.”


Oh, brother. I'm so glad Obama's going to be practicing his Christian faith by respecting us. Does he mean it's Christian to keep women down?

[leftofcool]

1. Now that is sad.

[JackORoses]

2. Hillary pissed off the wrong guy.

[rodeodance]

70. WRONG--obama just dissed women in Miss. This WILL backfire!

[JackORoses]

73. Clinton dissed the whole State. I think MS knows who considers it significant and who doesn't

[rodeodance]

79. you just don't 'get it' do you!

[JackORoses]

90. let me get this straight

You think the women of MS are going to overlook Hillary insinuating that their state was a shithole just because it was in relation to having a woman Governor?

You are really stretching it here. Will you be here on Tuesday so I can laugh at you?

[rodeodance]

95. yes I do.

[merh]

125. and you would be wrong.

n/t

[rodeodance]

132. I am not wrong in saying that BO is wrong on this.

[merh]

138. Do you live in Mississippi?

And you responded "yes I do" to this direct question

You think the women of MS are going to overlook Hillary insinuating that their state was a shithole just because it was in relation to having a woman Governor?

And you are wrong. The comment that upsets Mississippians, even many women in this state, is HRC's comments downgrading the state and the women, as if we need the yankee senator who stood by her man to get where she is to tell us how to find equality.

[Unsane]

108. how did he 'diss women'?

[rosetta627]

101. Good for him

I'm tired of her crapping all over Obama and voters.

Kick her big lumpy ass Barack.

[sueragingroz]

133. no.. she pissed of an inexperienced guy

who is taking the exact wrong tactic to respond to this...

he's not insulting hillary - he's insulting the women of mississippi.

[DJ13]

3. Good!

Im a firm believer in.....if the other person takes the first swing then you have every right to beat the living crap out of them.

[joeybee12]

4. Well, this is a pattern of Obama negative campaigning...spanish radio

ads in November, the Harry and Louise-type healthcare fliers, the speech calling her divisive.

[cali]

19. pull stuff out of dark orifices much?

That was NOT an Obama ad on Spanish radio. Period. And the absurd shit about those health care flyers is just nutty. She's been serving it up, she better get ready to take it. And that goes for her devotees as well.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

24. You are correct. It was a pro-Obama union 527 advocacy ad.

[joeybee12]

81. Refuse to face reality much?

The ad was back in January, Harry and Louise early Februray...he started it, but the concept of time eludes you apparently.

[catgirl]

50. Oh, that's so negative!!

Compared to the crap Hillary has pulled, in this election, as well as other elections,
this is nothing (except the truth).

[joeybee12]

83. I'm so sorry that reality eludes you...try taking responsibility for once.

[ingac70]

5. Finally!

Past time he hits back.

When Hillary made her comments she thought the race would be over long before Mississippi. Doh!

[cali]

6. goose meet gander. n/t

[lapfog_1]

7. About time! - n/t

[MadBadger]

8. Its a damn good one too...And its true!

[skooooo]

9. How many delegates does Miss. have??

I can't find it at the CNN site. Anyone know?

[ingac70]

12. 33.

That's what it says on realclearpolitics

[skooooo]

14. thanks!

[writes3000]

18. 33

[Arkana]

97. 33 pledged, 7 supers.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

10. Sorry, but what a race-baiting lying Jesus-freak! (I think that about covers it.)

And his defense of Mississippi's long tradition of exclusion of women is just a bonus.

[BeyondGeography]

16. Guess you liked him better as O'Bambi the Muslim

[ingac70]

22. Of course he did. n/t

[powergirl]

48. Sen. Clinton should not have insulted the entire state

and then she had to make a humiliating apology to Helmet Head Trent Lott.

[tabatha]

87. where is the race baiting?

[rodeodance]

105. The comment by Clinton is being mocked by BO. But it will backfire!

[kikiek]

119. He is making up shit to separate Hillary from her long time supporters in the south. She has

been an advocate for equal rights for blacks and women faithfully. He knew he needed to make it bad to cause them to switch their support to him. He is scum.

[rodeodance]

135. and BO teamed up this scum

[rodeodance]

127. Lowlife Ray Mabus has the audacity to appear on TV blasting her for her comments about...

Forum Name Hillary Clinton Supporters Group
Topic subject Lowlife Ray Mabus has the audacity to appear on TV blasting her for her comments about...
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=334x4186#4263
4263, Lowlife Ray Mabus has the audacity to appear on TV blasting her for her comments about...
Posted by rodeodance on Thu Mar-06-08 07:30 PM


Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject Lowlife Ray Mabus has the audacity to appear on TV blasting her for her comments about...
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4925833#4928050
4928050, Lowlife Ray Mabus has the audacity to appear on TV blasting her for her comments about...
Posted by Maddy McCall on Thu Mar-06-08 12:22 PM

the status of women in Mississippi....

When this bastard taped his wife's counseling session with her priest and used it against her in divorce court.

Mabus is utter slime.

[BeyondGeography]

11. Maybe Hllary can explain what she meant by being surprised that Iowa ranked with Mississippi

on ANYTHING.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. I Don't Have A Problem

Politics isn't for the faint of heart... If politics is too tough for you join a sewing circle...

[THUNDER HANDS]

15. heh

[David Zephyr]

68. I like your graphic!

They don't get to throw shit out without a response anymore.

Democrats want a fighter. They are going to get one now.

[npincus]

17. HA! Well, she wanted to fight dirty, didn't she?

Bill's remarks in S Carolina, picking on Obama's kindergarten essay, having surrogates use his middle name and send pics to Drudge... those are only the ones that come to mind right now...

She's getting her just desserts.

[RiverStone]

160. Live by the sword, die by the sword

Obama is finally counter punching exactly like he needs to!

Hillary dished it out last week big time - and going negative worked (unfortunately).

Now it's his turn and step next is to cement his already probable victory. :hi:

[Maribelle]

20. That's rich - - two men in Mississippi bashing a woman for a year-old statement ...

regarding how difficult women have it in Mississippi - - that bashing of Hillary ought to play well with woman in Mississippi, right?

[ingac70]

26. It wasn't a year ago...

It was in October while she campaigned in Iowa.

It didn't help her in Iowa either.

[rodeodance]

89. and she apologized for it. publicly. and now BO rubs it in her face. Shame on him!

[ingac70]

98. Love it! She's getting what's coming to her.

When she said that shit, she thought she'd have the nom. by Feb 5.... her arrogance has come back to bite her in the ass.

[AlinPA]

104. Apologies don't always work in politics. Often they are not sincere. nt

[goclark]

150. An "experienced" politician would not mistakes like that one

That was a huge insult ~ Mississippi meant nothing to her because she only cares about herself..

[Lucinda]

27. Sounds like a gift to Hillary to me.

:)

[FrenchieCat]

30. Why? So that she can play the Sexist card?

[Lucinda]

43. He just played it FOR her. That's the second misstep from him today.

CNN had a clip of him talking to the media about putting her feet to the fire about her experience. Which was a smart move. At the end though, he said something like "I dont think she has the experience" and then CNN proceeded to show how she did have the experience (Ireland, China).

He should have stopped before he said, in his own words, that she didn't.
I can't find the Obama clip....but I'm looking.

[FrenchieCat]

53. So where is the Sexism? As a woman, I'd like to know.......

She is his opponent, and she claims commander in chief experience.

Ireland

The Facts
Chris Thornton, a political reporter for the Belfast Telegraph, said that Hillary Clinton's visits to northern Ireland contributed to the "mood music" that made an eventual settlement possible, but were hardly key to reaching an agreement. "Would we have reached a settlement without that kind of stuff? Yes. Would we have got one without the intervention of Bill Clinton and George Mitchell? No."

Hillary is making a lot more of her Northern Ireland role on the campaign trail than she did in her memoir "Living History." As the Boston Globe recently noted, her stories of bringing Protestant and Catholic women together have become more dramatic with each retelling. The claim that she brought Catholics and Protestants together "for the first time" seems dubious. This would not be the first time that she has mixed up her chronology.

The Pinocchio Test
Hillary Clinton seems to be overstating her significance as a catalyst in the Northern Ireland peace process, which was more symbolic than substantive. On the other hand, she did play a helpful role at the margins, by encouraging organizations like Vital Voices, a women's group that takes a stand against extremism. One Pinocchio for exaggeration.


http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/01/clinton_and_northern_ireland.html

Kosovo

"I negotiated open borders to let fleeing refugees into safety from Kosovo," she said on CNN's American Morning.

In May of 1999, she was in Macedonia visiting refugee camps near the Kosovo border and meeting with Macedonia's president and prime minister.

Sources with knowledge of her visit say she discussed the refugees' plight with those leaders. It's not clear how much she helped since CNN reported at the time that Macedonia reopened its border to Kosovar refugees before Clinton's visit.

China

"I've been standing up against, you know, the Chinese government over women's rights and standing up for human rights in many different places," she said on CNN's American Morning.

During a 1995 visit to Beijing, at a time when her husband's administration was trying to press China on human rights, Sen. Clinton made a speech condemning abuses.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/06/clinton.foreign.fact/

[Lucinda]

107. You seem to have missed my point entirely.

There is video of him saying she doesn't have experience. It is easy to refute, and makes his statement to the press incorrect. Which can easily be used against him. He would have been smarter to raise the question about her experience and let the press do the work.

Af far as Mississippi goes, criticizing Hillary for commenting about the conditions of women in Mississippi is also easily turned. If you can't see the potential problem, I'm not sure what else to say to you...

[Andromeda]

153. You are deliberately being obtuse..

and obviously the kind of woman who takes a lot of shit from men. When you see injustice against women what do you do? Look away? You do when Obama is the one doing the abusing. I see it over and over again in your posts.

Obama is a saint and he walks on water.

Only he isn't. He's a flawed man who has a God complex and who flinches when somebody confronts him. He can only strike back through other people. He tries to get the press to do his dirty work for him and some of them oblige willingly.

Obama is a coward and a bully.

[rodeodance]

84. go play cards with yourself.

[rodeodance]

86. yes, I hope this back fires!!

[NJSecularist]

35. You Hillary supporters just love to play the victim card in regards to Hillary, don't you?

[rodeodance]

80. ha ha---BO did this diss all by himself! It will backfire!

[purji]

46. sorry I'm a woman

and boo hoo the mean old men keep picking on me,defense isn't working here.
If she can't take it she should just get out know. Theres no crying in politics.

[goclark]

148. She went negative like Rove, a man

so she can take it like a Man.

I really don't see the ad as negative --- did he darken her face and make her scare people because she appeared to look like an African American WOMAN?

Did he put out the picture of her with Arafat all dress in a scarf?

Did she not see the darling African American child in bed with the ht left off of her little PJ's and the NIG visible when she approved the Ring, Ring Ring?

Did she stand up and have the gall to say, "MC Cain is experienced, I am experienced,Barack Obama had a speech!" Yes she said that, I will never forgive her for that one.

Did he show the famous picture of Bill and Monica on the lawn?

Did he say, "Your husband probably did have sex with THAT WOMEN" (which by the way is about as sexist a statement as they come from the mouth of the President of the United States. Can't imagine her not approving him saying that because she was standing by her man through all the lies.

Did he point out that Laura Bush has the same experience that she had ---- 1st lady duties? Did she have a Secret Clearance? Did she push Gore out of his office and assume all of his duties? Did she participate in all Cabinet meetings? Was she an elected Co - President?

As I remember ~ her finest moment was when she stood by her man and covered his lies. And, we were so supportive of both of them.

Oh yes! I forgot. She came right into office and started pushing her Health Care Plan ~ we thought it was wonderful! It was. She had 8 years to get it to work,don't remember her getting to 1st base with it. In fact those Republicans bashed her good plan to death! Is that the "experience" she is talking about?

[powergirl]

52. Was it okay for Sen. Clinton to insult the state of Mississippi?

She had to apologize to freakin' Trent Lott of all people. This was in November 2007. I was horrified that she made those comments!

[Kittycat]

76. She insults any state that doesn't matter to her.

ETA: Even the state she was raised in.

[IowaGirl]

56. That Hillary, you've got to watch out for her, she can't resist sticking up for women. I guess....

in her stint with Wal-mart she was a real thorn in Sam's side over how the women employees were treated.

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[carlotta]

25. That's the best you can do?

pfff.

[Binka]

39. Carlos Err I Mean Carlotta

We know WHO you are!!!

[Andromeda]

155. And we know where YOU live.

:evilgrin:

[Zachstar]

23. Yes the gloves are coming off!!

You opened this can of worms Clinton! and now you will feel what you have started.

[FrenchieCat]

28. Link?

Thanks!

[carlotta]

32. here ya go

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/06/obama-radio-ad-targets-clinton%e2%80%99s-mississippi-comments/

[BringBigDogBack]

29. what goes around comes around

somebody get me a fucking pillow.

[ExFreeper4Obama]

31. Payback is a bitch Hillary

Hillary insulted Mississippi and praised Iowa because she didn't think the election would go this far. Now its comming back to bite her in the ass.

[Zachstar]

49. Indeed.

Everyone keep up the efforts to expose Clinton for what she is!

[seabeyond]

33. i was told by every hillary supporter monday and tues this was GOOD politics

that we eed this GOOD politics to win. at least his isnt a lie.

i prefer positive.

but i want trash obama for this

if he starts doing rove/bushco tactics, lying, swiftboating, using fear, i will be right there with me

will you be with me if hillary does?

[Levgreee]

44. This is fine, it's not a lie. She said this, and it shows disrespect to Missippi.

No parsing, no manipulation of the quote. She shouldn't have said something so obtusely disrespectful to Mississippi.

I will agree it is negative, and would prefer he stays away from negativity but Clinton has asked for it. But it is not manipulative or deceitful, which is where I draw the line. If Hillary had stuck with negative, but not deceitful, I would have been okay, with her at least. I don't condone compulsive lying. If Obama took up that practice I would denounce him too.

[seabeyond]

55. i am right there with you. 100%. exactly. n/t

[rodeodance]

91. She apologized publicly for that comment last Oct. Shame on BO!!

[ingac70]

34. Hill thought the race would be over long before Mississippi...

and now her arrogance is coming back to bite her in the ass.

[Joe the Revelator]

36. Glad to see Obama giving Hillary some of her own medicine.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

37. It's too bad it's come to this, but Hillary is to blame - no question.

[writes3000]

38. Folks, you don't like the Christian mention in the ad...

You have some of the Clinton campaign, some of her supporters and the Republican fearmongers to thank for it. They have all lied, cast doubt and wink-winked that he may be a Muslim.

So now he's setting the record straight before the kitchen sink campaign tries to wink-wink again.

[carlotta]

40. I'd like to know, Obama supporters--you think this is a good ad?

Are you just glad he's going negative or do you agree with the content of this ad?

[ingac70]

47. She said Mississippi was low quality....

and was surprised that Iowa was ranked with them when it came to women in elected office.

He needs to smack her as hard as she has smacked him.

[cali]

51. I want him to do unto Hillary as Hillary as done unto him

and that means hitting her as hard or harder as she's hit him. I hope he keeps it up and finishes her off. And he's got enough money to do it. She can't keep up.

[writes3000]

66. I'm neutral on the ad

I don't love it but I think Obama has to go on the offense because the Clinton campaign has been relentlessly negative.

I don't think this is a low blow. I don't think the ad has lies in it.

I wish the campaign wasn't going in this direction but Hillary has proudly taken it there.

[powergirl]

41. Thank you Sen. Obama - Clinton had to apologize to Trent Lott

for calling Mississipi voters, let me paraphrase here, rubes. Actually, her comments are here:

This does not win the hearts and minds of voters.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20 ...

Lott Waits for Clinton's Apology and Gets One

By Mary Ann Akers And Paul Kane
Thursday, October 25, 2007; Page A23

It's a good thing she apologized, because Sen. Trent Lott (R-Miss.) was fixin' to give Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) a piece of his mind.

Lott was on the cusp of issuing a serious condemnation of the Democratic presidential front-runner for insulting the Magnolia State this week when his phone rang.

"To her credit, she called me and apologized," Lott told On the Hill.

Clinton chose wisely to make the quick apology after insulting Mississippians with a comment she made in an interview with Iowa's most important political reporter, the Des Moines Register's David Yepsen. Clinton was quoted expressing complete "shock" at learning that Iowa and Mississippi were the only states that have never elected a female governor or a female member of either chamber of Congress.

"How can Iowa be ranked with Mississippi?" she asked, implying the Hawkeye State is above such distinction. "That's not the quality. That's not the communitarianism, that's not the openness I see in Iowa."

Lott was furious when aides notified him of the put-down. He said he wanted to sound off right away but instead paused and waited to read the entire context of her remarks, something he said he has learned to do the hard way because of his own various guffaw-inducing statements over the years. (Those include not just his praise of the 1948 Dixiecrat presidential candidate Strom Thurmond, but also his comments after Clinton won her Senate race in 2000 that "maybe lightning will strike" her and she would die before getting sworn into the chamber.) "I understand that we sometimes say what we don't always mean to say," Lott said.

Still, he is a little disturbed that Clinton views Mississippi as politically sexist. He noted that the last two lieutenant governors have been women and that the first female jurist was recently appointed to the state's U.S. District Court.

Plus, Lott added, who is Clinton to talk? "Having lived in Arkansas, which is something of a whipping boy, too, she knows better than that," Lott said.

[carlotta]

54. Trent Lott?????

Now you're taking Trent Lott's side. Man, oh, man. Politics really does make strange bedfellows.

[ingac70]

58. Clinton did apologize to Lott...

but it still makes for the campaign commercials in Miss. by Obama she so justly deserves.

[powergirl]

82. I agree completely

As a person of the South, it is like nails on a chalk board when I hear talk about how inferior we southern democrats are. She deserves this and the state of Mississippi will let her know what they think of her "observations."

[southern_dem]

142. Thank you

My better half is a life-long Mississippian who is not very political. However, she sides with Obama on this and was insulted by Senator Clinton's comments. Everything is not perfect here, but it's also not the 60's anymore. The old-time racists and sexists are dying out. There are many strong, determined, and successful women in this and other Southern states. I spent the first 20 years of my life up North and believed all the stereotypes. Finally, I moved down here and realized how much BS they were.

It really angers me to see Democrats like Clinton be dismissive of the South and southern democrats. The right candidate can win in the South. I don't know if Obama will be the one, but I certainly know the Clinton campaign won't even try. They just want to win by one vote, I'd rather do it with a strong landslide and a strong mandate.

[powergirl]

59. No, I am embarrassed she had to actually apologize

to a doofus like Trent Lott. If she did not make rude comments about Mississippi she would not have to humiliate herself, me, you, or the party by grovelling at the feet of Helmet Head. Are you okay with her comments about Mississippi?

[rodeodance]

99. She did publicly because is the Miss. Senator--get it. This should have ended it but BO

has no honor!

[powergirl]

103. Do you approve of Sen. Clinton's comments about Mississippi?

Sen. Clinton did dishonor to the state of Mississippi. Not those who repeat her statements. Do you approve of her comments, I ask again? I always hear crickets when I ask Clinton supporters this question. Waiting . . .

[rodeodance]

109. She spoke the truth. but being poliitcally astute she apologized and now BO dishonors

her apology. shameful

[powergirl]

118. The shame lies in her terrible comments

This analysis is right out of the Bush/Cheney playbook. If I oppose the war, you say I hate the troops. If Sen. Clinton's derogatory comments are repeated, Obama is shameful. She should not speak shame and them blame others for repeating it.

[rodeodance]

131. This is the man BO teamed up with--the lowest of the low:

Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject Lowlife Ray Mabus has the audacity to appear on TV blasting her for her comments about...
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4925833#4928050
4928050, Lowlife Ray Mabus has the audacity to appear on TV blasting her for her comments about...
Posted by Maddy McCall on Thu Mar-06-08 12:22 PM

the status of women in Mississippi....

When this bastard taped his wife's counseling session with her priest and used it against her in divorce court.

Mabus is utter slime.

[ingac70]

42. Hillary's comments on Mississippi here:

"I think Iowa poses a special burden, or a special obstacle to me because when you look at the numbers, how can Iowa be ranked with Mississippi? That's not what I see. That's not the quality. That's not the communitarianism, that's not the openness I see in Iowa."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/1007/Hillarys_Mississippi_comments.html

[DemGa]

45. They'll have to try and keep it distanced from the "hope and change" guy

What a freaking fraud .

[woolldog]

63. haha

The Clinton supporters get upset over a minor ad like this. She can dish it out but she can't take it.

Hope Obama starts bringing up all of the Clinton skeletons and throws them in her face. There are so many to choose from, it's like a scandal buffet!

[DemGa]

69. The Clintons can certainly take it

I'm merely pointing out the hypocrisy of the fraud Obama -- but this is not new; Obama has been going negative on Hillary from the start.

[woolldog]

75. He's been about as restrained as I've seen any politician

But you're so biased you don't see it. Many who don't have a dog in the fight have noticed the difference between the two.

[still_one]

57. Now since I am not Christian, and since Hillary endorsed mccain over Obama

I could care less what the clinton campaign thinks. I knows EXACTLY where she stands

[carlotta]

60. I gather from the responses here from Obama supporters

that they believe it's just fine that Mississippi has never elected a woman to office.

Thanks for clearing that up.

How would you feel about Mississippi if they had never elected a black to office and Obama was criticizing that?

[cali]

64. You would be gathering wrong, dear

What Obama supporters are glad about is that Obama is going to ding Hilly and ding her good. She started this negative crap, she's gonna get it back with a shitload of interest, and yeah, we're glad. It's delightful to see Hilly get a taste of her own medicine.

[ingac70]

65. That is a lie.. Women have been elected in Mississippi...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Tuck

[TacticalPeek]

146. Funny how you mention Amy Tuck and not Evelyn Gandy.

Amy Tuck used her career as a Democratic officeholder and the resources of the Democratic party of Mississippi to become the second woman elected to state-wide office, lt governor, and then turned coat to become a damn Republican.

Also, you cite a straw woman in claiming this "lie", since Hillary said as quoted in this thread that IA and MS had never elected a woman governor, nor US Senator nor US representative. Your post is non-responsive and the lie claim is a lie.

Wouldn't you agree?

And why on God's green earth would you know about and cite the execrable Tuck but not Gandy?

Weird.

[powergirl]

92. Is it accurate to gather that you approve of Sen. Clinton's comments about Mississippi?

Do the people in Mississippi believe that Sen. Clinton will roll up her sleeves and work to solve their problems. Or will she continue to ridicule the Democrats in that state?

[carlotta]

100. I most certainly do approve of her comments about Mississippi

Just as I would approve if Mississippi hadn't elected blacks and Obama pointed it out.

[powergirl]

110. Finally, a Clinton supporter agrees that Sen. Clinton was right to insult the State of Mississippi

Then don't worry about the ad. If those comments exemplify are what her campaign is all about, then there is no reason at all to be concerned with this ad. I'm sure Sen. Clinton will respond by saying, that she agrees with the advertisement and is proud of her comments. I'll be waiting. :popcorn:

[rodeodance]

111. see this: Hillary's right. Mississippi is the worst state for women in numerous studies.

Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject Hillary's right. Mississippi is the worst state for women in numerous studies.
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4928582#4928582
4928582, Hillary's right. Mississippi is the worst state for women in numerous studies.
Posted by Maddy McCall on Thu Mar-06-08 12:46 PM

In studies on the status of women, Mississippi ranks FIFTY-FIRST. At the bottom.

Mississippi only created a Status of Women commission in 2000, thanks to Democratic governor Ronnie Musgrove, who listened to a group of women activists in the state. However, the state still refuses to fund the commission. So you have a commission of women who desire to study the status of women in the state, but the legislature won't allocate money to the commission to study this. This state commission has not even been given office space.

We have no women in Congress. There is a huge wage gap between men and women in the state. Women in Mississippi are at the bottom of the four socioeconomic indicators--health insurance, college education, business ownership, and poverty. On the composite index for reproductive rights and women's health, Mississippi is at the bottom.

http://www.iwpr.org/states2002/pdfs/USRIB.pdf

Mississippi wasn't ranked lowest just once. Mississippi CONSISTENTLY ranks fifty-first in the status of women. The bottom. Imagine as a woman living in a society like this.

When you rip into Hillary Clinton for her remarks about Mississippi...please keep in mind that she's right...and when you take her comments and attempt to defend the state as being somehow victimized by Hillary's comments, PLEASE keep in mind the women of my state, who are SUFFERING for the very reasons that Hillary mentioned.

[powergirl]

114. Then why did she apologize????

if she was just helping out the women of the state. That is not why she made the comments. She was making a comment about the comparative "sophistication" of the voters of Iowa compared to those in Mississippi. If she really cared, she would not insult the entire state. If you believe your post, then the ad should be just fine.

[Jamastiene]

147. Facts? You bring facts into the debate?

The mysoginistic apologists will completely ignore your facts, but thank you for pointing them out. :thumbsup:

[XemaSab]

115. She needs to check herself with the comparisons

Ripping on Iowa by comparing it to Mississippi, even though she meant to insult Mississippi, is an insult to BOTH states,

If she makes it to the presidency, is she just not going to be president of Mississippi? :shrug:

[Annces]

61. How dare Hillary criticize Mississipi's record with women

(sarcasm)

Get the good ole boys riled up.

[rodeodance]

72. yes, she ticked off the good old boys!!

[npincus]

62. Karma's a b*tch when it bites back.

[rodeodance]

67. So, Obama is for keep Women down!!

[ingac70]

71. Down how?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Tuck

[writes3000]

74. No, he's against insulting entire states with sweeping statements.

Hillary keeps having that problem. "Oh, those causes states aren't important." "The next primary is Pennsylvania." "Only big Dem states matter."

Obama is absolutely for more women in elected office. He's said so. But he doesn't think it's smart, wise or right to insult entire states. And he's right.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

77. No, just Hillary.

[Yossariant]

88. Nah! He just sez that "Periodically, when they're feeling down" they "show their claws."

:rofl:

[EmilyAnne]

78. Well, its true that she bashed the state. Its not good for the potential president to do that.

If there is a problem with women being treated poorly in Mississippi, bashing the entire state is no way to combat that problem.

[ingac70]

85. It had nothing to do with treatment of women...

Her statement was a complaint that she couldn't believe Iowa had the same track record as Mississippi when it came to a lack of women in national office.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/1007/Hillarys_Mississippi_comments.html

[powergirl]

94. If it was just a "complaint" why did she have to apologize to Trent Lott?

And if it is just a complaint, I am sure she won't mind her comments being broadcast on the radio. Is this how she wins the hearts and minds of Mississippi?

[ingac70]

96. She didn't think it would go this far....

Her nom was suppose to be in the bag on Feb 5. Her arrogance has come back to bite her in the ass.

[meow mix]

93. good. someone buy this man some brass knuckels. and a switchblade

and other assorted campaignin gear. they want to bloody us up huh?

i want to see "The Road Warrior Obama"

[Beausoir]

123. Sick and twisted.

[rodeodance]

102. Lott Waits for Clinton's Apology and Gets One

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20 ...

Lott Waits for Clinton's Apology and Gets One

By Mary Ann Akers And Paul Kane
Thursday, October 25, 2007; Page A23

It's a good thing she apologized, because Sen. Trent Lott (R-Miss.) was fixin' to give Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) a piece of his mind.

Lott was on the cusp of issuing a serious condemnation of the Democratic presidential front-runner for insulting the Magnolia State this week when his phone rang.

"To her credit, she called me and apologized," Lott told On the Hill.

Clinton chose wisely to make the quick apology after insulting Mississippians with a comment she made in an interview with Iowa's most important political reporter, the Des Moines Register's David Yepsen. Clinton was quoted expressing complete "shock" at learning that Iowa and Mississippi were the only states that have never elected a female governor or a female member of either chamber of Congress.

"How can Iowa be ranked with Mississippi?" she asked, implying the Hawkeye State is above such distinction. "That's not the quality. That's not the communitarianism, that's not the openness I see in Iowa."

Lott was furious when aides notified him of the put-down. He said he wanted to sound off right away but instead paused and waited to read the entire context of her remarks, something he said he has learned to do the hard way because of his own various guffaw-inducing statements over the years. (Those include not just his praise of the 1948 Dixiecrat presidential candidate Strom Thurmond, but also his comments after Clinton won her Senate race in 2000 that "maybe lightning will strike" her and she would die before getting sworn into the chamber.) "I understand that we sometimes say what we don't always mean to say," Lott said.

[Unsane]

106. Awesome

[RBInMaine]

112. Good ! Put the shit right to her Barack !!

[rodeodance]

113. *** See: Hillary's right. Mississippi is the worst state for women in numerous studies.

Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject Hillary's right. Mississippi is the worst state for women in numerous studies.
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4928582#4928582
4928582, Hillary's right. Mississippi is the worst state for women in numerous studies.
Posted by Maddy McCall on Thu Mar-06-08 12:46 PM

In studies on the status of women, Mississippi ranks FIFTY-FIRST. At the bottom.

Mississippi only created a Status of Women commission in 2000, thanks to Democratic governor Ronnie Musgrove, who listened to a group of women activists in the state. However, the state still refuses to fund the commission. So you have a commission of women who desire to study the status of women in the state, but the legislature won't allocate money to the commission to study this. This state commission has not even been given office space.

We have no women in Congress. There is a huge wage gap between men and women in the state. Women in Mississippi are at the bottom of the four socioeconomic indicators--health insurance, college education, business ownership, and poverty. On the composite index for reproductive rights and women's health, Mississippi is at the bottom.

http://www.iwpr.org/states2002/pdfs/USRIB.pdf

Mississippi wasn't ranked lowest just once. Mississippi CONSISTENTLY ranks fifty-first in the status of women. The bottom. Imagine as a woman living in a society like this.

When you rip into Hillary Clinton for her remarks about Mississippi...please keep in mind that she's right...and when you take her comments and attempt to defend the state as being somehow victimized by Hillary's comments, PLEASE keep in mind the women of my state, who are SUFFERING for the very reasons that Hillary mentioned.

[powergirl]

116. If all is well, then the senator did not need to apologize

So, the advertisement is just fine. Sen. Clinton made the statements. And you stand by them. I will wait for Sen. Clinton to tell the good folks of Mississippi that she made those statements and stands by them and point out, once again, how she feels about the voters of Mississippi. :popcorn:

[usregimechange]

117. Does this mean Hillary is a muslim?

:shrug:

[kikiek]

120. Obama started the race baiting campaign. He is the dirty one. Wake up people.

Misleading propaganda is hardly new in American politics --although the adoption of techniques reminiscent of past Republican and special-interest hit jobs, right down to a retread of the fictional couple, seems strangely at odds with a campaign that proclaims it will redeem the country from precisely these sorts of divisive and manipulative tactics. As insidious as these tactics are, though, the Obama campaign's most effective gambits have been far more egregious and dangerous than the hypocritical deployment of deceptive and disingenuous attack ads. To a large degree, the campaign's strategists turned the primary and caucus race to their advantage when they deliberately, falsely, and successfully portrayed Clinton and her campaign as unscrupulous race-baiters--a campaign-within-the-campaign in which the worked-up flap over the Somali costume photograph is but the latest episode. While promoting Obama as a "post-racial" figure, his campaign has purposefully polluted the contest with a new strain of what historically has been the most toxic poison in American politics.

More than any other maneuver, this one has brought Clinton into disrepute with important portions of the Democratic Party. A review of what actually happened shows that the charges that the Clintons played the "race card" were not simply false; they were deliberately manufactured by the Obama camp and trumpeted by a credulous and/or compliant press corps in order to strip away her once formidable majority among black voters and to outrage affluent, college-educated white liberals as well as college students. The Clinton campaign, in fact, has not racialized the campaign, and never had any reason to do so. Rather the Obama campaign and its supporters, well-prepared to play the "race-baiter card" before the primaries began, launched it with a vengeance when Obama ran into dire straits after his losses in New Hampshire and Nevada--and thereby created a campaign myth that has turned into an incontrovertible truth among political pundits, reporters, and various Obama supporters. This development is the latest sad commentary on the malign power of the press, hyping its own favorites and tearing down those it dislikes, to create pseudo-scandals of the sort that hounded Al Gore during the 2000 campaign. It is also a commentary on how race can make American politics go haywire. Above all, it is a commentary on the cutthroat, fraudulent politics that lie at the foundation of Obama's supposedly uplifting campaign.
--------

Has the Obama campaign hoodwinked the American public by race baiting the competition?
http://www.sodahead.com/poll/53511/

[ingac70]

121. Where is the race baiting in that ad?

No where. Just using Hillary's words against her.

[kikiek]

122. He has been doing it all along.

[rodeodance]

124. This is the slimeball BO has teamed up in the ad!!:

Forum Name Hillary Clinton Supporters Group
Topic subject Lowlife Ray Mabus has the audacity to appear on TV blasting her for her comments about...
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=334x4186#4263
4263, Lowlife Ray Mabus has the audacity to appear on TV blasting her for her comments about...
Posted by rodeodance on Thu Mar-06-08 07:30 PM


Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject Lowlife Ray Mabus has the audacity to appear on TV blasting her for her comments about...
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4925833#4928050
4928050, Lowlife Ray Mabus has the audacity to appear on TV blasting her for her comments about...
Posted by Maddy McCall on Thu Mar-06-08 12:22 PM

the status of women in Mississippi....

When this bastard taped his wife's counseling session with her priest and used it against her in divorce court.

Mabus is utter slime.

[carlotta]

126. Whoa!!!

Obama knows how to pick 'em

[rodeodance]

129. read that thread.

[merh]

130. Maddy misses what the ex Mrs Mabus said

A transcript of the recording of the 1998 meeting sets out Ms. Hines's acknowledgment of an affair and her threat to turn their children against Mr. Mabus.

''I hate you,'' she said to her husband. ''I hate you with my very soul. I will hate you till the day I die. And I will tell my children. I will tell my children.''

In the divorce proceedings that followed, a psychiatrist hired by Mr. Mabus referred repeatedly to this statement in recommending that Mr. Mabus be granted legal custody of their two daughters. The court accepted the recommendation, though the former couple have alternate custody of the girls, in six-month intervals.

Now who here wouldn't want to record that to protect themself.

Mrs. Mabus threats to use the children to hurt her husband is far worse thatn Mabus recording those threats.

[kikiek]

134. ..How's He Gonna Blame Hillary for This One?

The Clinton campaign, in fact, has not racialized the campaign, and never had any reason to do so. Rather the Obama campaign and its supporters, well-prepared to play the "race-baiter card" before the primaries began, launched it with a vengeance when Obama ran into dire straits after his losses in New Hampshire and Nevada--and thereby created a campaign myth that has turned into an incontrovertible truth among political pundits, reporters, and various Obama supporters.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/2/27/2262/57289

[Andromeda]

156. Your post is so good I saved it,

to my hard drive.

Everything you've said is true.

[TacticalPeek]

158. Thanks for that. It's mindful of the Iraq war press and the WH, etc.

:kick:

[thevoiceofreason]

128. Damn him for his . . . honesty. Dammit!

[kikiek]

137. He is as dirty in his politics as they come.

The Clinton campaign, in fact, has not racialized the campaign, and never had any reason to do so. Rather the Obama campaign and its supporters, well-prepared to play the "race-baiter card" before the primaries began, launched it with a vengeance when Obama ran into dire straits after his losses in New Hampshire and Nevada--and thereby created a campaign myth that has turned into an incontrovertible truth among political pundits, reporters, and various Obama supporters.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/2/27/2262/57289

[Pepper32]

136. You Mean Obama Is fighting fire with fire???

Now why would he do that? }(

[Maribelle]

139. Sounds more like fighting beautiful orange groves with fire to me.

Obama is digging deep and distorting for a reason.

[Pepper32]

140. Of course you would say that.... I expect nothing less.

[Beregond2]

141. Wow

Wow. THAT is what you derive from this story? I am beginning to wonder if the Hillary supporters are really pod-people who have stolen the bodies of former good Democrats. They sure don't seem to be form Earth.

[anonymous171]

143. Hillary: Throws shit on a state, then comes crawling back when she needs their vote.

Classy. Do we want this in a president? Her Putin comments already show that her tongue gets the better of her on occasions, not good for foreign policy, not good for America.

[Recursion]

144. Mabus was our ambassador to Saudi Arabia, too

He's not exactly my favorite politician, but I like his choice of candidates this year :)

[Jamastiene]

145. I know there are good people from Mississippi too, but

there are also a lot of really backasswards people there too who really are sexist, racist, homophobic assholes, pretty much just like lots of states. Let's face facts. Certain states have records of proven bigotry through the years and some states haven't advanced much overall. That's not to say there aren't some great Mississippi Democrats out there. It's just to say that those great Mississippi Dems have a big fight on their hands to educate the horrendous elements of their state, just like we need to here in NC and in other states as well. Her comments were truthful to some degree even if some people took them to mean every single person from Mississippi. That's just not the case.

[LadyVT]

149. And this is "NEW" politics? Give me a break, man.

[Neshanic]

151. Good for Obama..I think he's got it! I think he's got it!

[ButterflyBlood]

152. The comment Hillary made about Mississippi...

Hillary was speaking in Iowa before the caucus. She brought up that Iowa was one of only 4 states that has not yet sent a woman to Congress. She then said "Come on, you don't want to be in the same category as Mississippi, do you?"

The other two states being Vermont and Delaware. But Hillary certainly would make such a remark about not wanting to be in the same category as Vermont or Delaware. Clear south-bashing and no doubt offensive to Mississippians. Hillary wasn't attacking Mississippi over their lack of electing women anymore than she was attacking Iowa for the same. She was taking a cheap shot at it. Attacking Hillary over this is hardly defense of Mississippi's electoral record. Sounds like a fine ad to me.

[TacticalPeek]

154. Sending a ridiculous negative ad instead of coming himself is a stupid move.

I've lived in Mississippi for decades and Hillary was spot on: this state has retarded practices that should be reformed, not emulated. It's mind-boggling to see DUers taking Trent Lott's side in this dispute. The only people I see around here who stomp and hoot over Obama's "charge" are Haley Barbour types who have the worst attitudes toward women you can imagine while relishing your apologetic attitude.

Play that ad all you want - people here in Mississippi who might conceivably vote Dem either tune it out or agree with Hillary.

For a real measure of the candidates' respect for the Dems in Mississippi, consider the state party's premier annual fund-raising event, tonight's Jefferson Jackson Hamer Dinner in Canton. Both candidates were invited, but only one took the trouble to show up. Hillary gave a good speech and won some votes there tonight. I'd estimate the support was roughly 50-50, but might have leaned even a little more Hillary, which is fantastic stats for her. Obama's supporters were probably dampened by his no-show, but hey - he was invited.

:shrug:

Are there any other Mississippians on this thread besides Merh who disagree? Any of y'all at Canton tonight?

[Andromeda]

157. I guess women should be on the bottom.

If there weren't some truth to what Clinton said Mabus and "what's his name" wouldn't have brought it up.

Anything to stir up shit, eh Obamba?

[bridgit]

159. How can that possibly be? When there's nothing negative about BO