REALITY CHECK: Which is more batshit-crazy worrisome? Obama-Rezko or Clinton-Libby?

[BuyingThyme]

If we're going to do this thing; let's do it.

7/9/2007

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As with the Iran-Contra scandal, the whole Marc Rich story is looking like another unsavory instance of unholy collaboration linking the Bush-Clinton-Bush administrations. One of the first things Clinton did after getting into the White House was shut down further congressional investigation of Iran-Contra. One of the last things Clinton did on leaving the WH was pardon Rich, linked to Iran-Contra. One of the first things the new lockstep Bush admin did after getting into the WH was shut down investigation into Marc Rich, while making a big public stink about Clinton’s purported relationship with Rich’s wife, a Dem donor as well as a NYC socialite.

And now Bush 43 has commuted all prison time for Lewis Libby, Cheney’s man and Marc Rich’s lawyer, in a defensive crouch against an investigation into the CIA leak – which, btw, has the giant footprint of Richard Armitage, longtime Cheney man, one of the Plame leakers par excellence – and another alumnus of Iran-Contra, all over it.

How long will we keep paying for the wholesale behind-the-scenes conversion of our intelligence service from defensive/protective intelligence gathering to invasive/sleazy clandestine ops?

The logrolling continues...

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4787

[Puckster]

1. I'm guessing that both are an attempt to distract us from even bigger problems.

Just a guess!

[sandnsea]

2. Clinton-Chatwal, Clinton-Gupta, Clinton-Burkle

Clinton-Hsu, Clinton-Rezko, and on and on and on. The real media bias is that nobody is dragging the Clinton shit through the mud. Obama needs to drop the bomb, including the bimbo bomb.

[BuyingThyme]

12. We can drop our own bombs, can't we?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

15. They'll wait until the GE if she gets the nod. nt

[melody]

3. It's divisive crap n/t

[BuyingThyme]

10. What's devisive crap?

And what does that mean?

[melody]

20. You asked the question -- I answered it

It's divisive crap dividing us from what should be the agenda ... getting past it and choosing a nominee.

[BuyingThyme]

26. Yeah, I got that. But what is "it"?

[melody]

28. Both matters represent "it"

At this point, I don't care -- I just want a nominee.

[BuyingThyme]

31. Thank you.

:hi:

[TheWraith]

4. They're both bullshit.

The whole thing of trying to play six-degrees-of-someone-bad is just ridiculous, and it makes the people who do it look either paranoid or slimy.

[BuyingThyme]

7. You don't think the Clintons' negotiations with a known traitor,

a convicted felon, and a proven national security risk should be examined?

I do. I think we should learn every little thing about the relationship.

[melody]

30. Oh, it's definitely the major issue -- but I'm far less worried about a Pres Clinton than McBush's

If she must have the nomination or risk ripping the party apart, I say give it to her.

[azmouse]

5. Why don't we focus on McCain's connections to lobbists?

McCain is the one we have to keep out of the WH.

[BuyingThyme]

8. Oh, we'll be doing lots of that. Just not in this forum.

[DJ13]

13. Why don't we focus on McCain's connections to lobbists?

Because Hillary wont let us unite behind our best candidate?

Just a guess.

:shrug:

[Blue State Bandit]

16. Who is most likely to stop investigations into Bush/Iraq/Libby/Niger Doc/Sibel Edmonds?

John McCain because he's a Republican?

Or Hillary Clinton since history shows propensity?

Libby Frank Rich's lawyer, and helped secure his pardon, Bill squashed the Iran/Contra investigations.

Know your history, or repeat it.

Obama is not involved, owes none of them.

[BuyingThyme]

18. Hey! You're using Hillary tactics!

How dare you!

[Blue State Bandit]

23. Baby see, baby do?

We learn from our "uh-hum" leaders. :evilgrin:

[samdogmom]

6. Ummm, since today's testimony was mostly about the CLINTON/REZKO Link....

What's your point again?

[BuyingThyme]

9. That Rezko ain't shit?

[samdogmom]

11. Okay...Then say this directly!

Rezko should have nothing to do with either Barack's or Hillary's candidacy!

[BuyingThyme]

14. Not that I've seen so far. Anybody see anything?

I hear some stuff came out today about Hillary?

[samdogmom]

19. Try this....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4907332

[BuyingThyme]

24. Yeah, more nothingness.

Let's go with the Libby/traitor angle.

[samdogmom]

29. Sigh!

Whatever..........! Good luck figuring out things from now on!

(P.S.--Your Sponge Bob icon is very distracting. I think you're trying to be serious, but I can't get past the comical icon--so I'm having a hard time taking you seriously. Just an FYI.)

[leveymg]

17. All in the family - er, families

We now have two permanent state crime dynasties running America. They are symbolic adversaries, and very real allies in the exploitation of American gullability by foreign powers. This arrangement reflects the phony war that's been fought by their state sponsors, Israeli Likud and the Saudi Royals, which are also partners in crimes against humanity.

The crimes of states that are being committed collectively go beyond anything previously imaginable. And, many of us want to keep them in the White House. Like lambs to the slaughter.

[BuyingThyme]

21. It really is time for change, isn't it?

Even if we get Obama, probably just another corporatist, it just might be a step forward.

I guess a time comes when you have to choose.

ON EDIT: added "to"

[leveymg]

27. Yes, it is.

But, we have to be careful about how we free ourselves, and who we trust to lead us. Obama is the right choice.

[NorthernSpy]

22. Clinton-Libby, because of the neocon angle...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4912705&mesg_id=4912705


The neocons OWN her campaign at this point. They're why she's suddenly gone so vicious against Barack.


And we have to confront the truth about where this is coming from. If we don't, we lose. Simple as that.

[BuyingThyme]

25. Yes, I tend to agree.

[leveymg]

32. It's not just the neocons, its the Saudi-owned corporations that provide the bulk of the big

donor money driving her campaign. Citibank, Newscorp, and a dozen other of the largest contributors to Hillary's campaign are effectively controlled by Prince Alaweed's Kingdom Holdings.

Along with other Vegas and Wall Street money, Hillary has some very deep pockets backing her.

[BuyingThyme]

33. I suspect there are very deep pockets on both sides.

[yodermon]

34. Clinton-Poppy.

Iran contra? BCCI?
Bygones!
Let's play golf.