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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:21 PM
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Time to Bow Out, Hillary - Stand Aside for the Good of the Country
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/030608A.shtml

Hillary Clinton had a good day on March 4. She reminded us she exists in her own right, and we may feel free to assume she played more than a trivial role in the Clinton presidential administration of the 90s. That said, she is the second most successful Democratic presidential candidate running this year, not the first. The most successful candidate running this year is Barack Obama.

Can she make a comeback? Sure. But it would necessarily involve "politics by other means." Scorched earth politics, to be specific. As Jonathan Alter, writing for Newsweek, points out, Hillary does have an unsolvable Math Problem. To put March 4 in perspective, with three wins out of four primaries (and a caucus in Texas), Clinton gained a grand total of 12 delegates. That's according to The New York Times. Bottom line, she's not going in the front door. Obama will arrive at the convention with a pledged delegate lead in triple digits.

How we got here matters. The Clinton campaign assured us in advance they would prevail in the "big states" of Texas and Ohio; and so they did. But what made them so sure? They pursued a big state strategy from the onset, the traditional Democratic strategy of the last two decades. The Obama camp, however, went with the newly minted Howard Dean strategy, a small state, small ball game plan. Obama won. The delegate race is effectively over.

Dick Cheney was up front with Bush campaign minions during the 2000 Florida recount, "Just get control of the Oval Office ... it doesn't matter how ... just do it." Machiavelli could not have said it better himself.

If you are a Democrat, you really need to ask yourself where Hillary Clinton is going with this. Well, if she's not planing to make a frontal assault on the White House by going over the fence and charging across the lawn, then she will undoubtedly be planning to sway the Democratic Party's favored nominators, the super delegates. She must argue that the super delegates set aside Obama's victory by the rules, the results of a six-month-long campaign gauntlet, the will of the voters, and hand her the nomination. That's it. That's where this is going.

At that point, two things can happen: The Democratic Party can stand on principal and let the results of the primaries/caucuses stand, or allow the super delegates to speak for all Democrats. The second option is, of course, the explosive one. If the super delegates overrule the process, the Democratic Party could easily be looking at 1968 all over again.

It's said the Clintons really don't like to lose. But how far will they go to win? As far as Bush and Cheney? As far as Machiavelli? Farther? This past weekend, the Clinton campaign, taking a page directly from the George W. Bush campaign manual, played the "Terra" card in their "3:00 AM" ad. Where do we go from here?

Over the past seven years, the nation has suffered immeasurably at the hands of those who would rule rather than serve. The heart and soul of a democracy is the will of the people. The time has come for Hillary Clinton to respect the will of the Democratic voters and stand aside for the good of the country. Pressing on regardless is reckless and beneath the dignity of the senator from New York.

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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:22 PM
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1. That's so stupid
It's a close race... you don't bow out of a close race.
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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:26 PM
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Stupid
Sigh. When you've lost, you've lost, it doesn't matter by how much. She can't win except by overturning the will of the majority of primary voters. It is as simple as that. And anyone who advocates that is no Democrat.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:28 PM
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11. She hasn't lost. It's not a landslide
And I say this as an Obama guy. I just think this is bullying by Obama folks. It's a process, let it play out properly
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:38 PM
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19. No, it is not a landslide, but
it is still true that she cannot win except by means that will hurt the party and the country, both now and for the foreseeable future. If she were to continue without the kitchen sink strategy of the recent past, I could live with that. But it does not seem that this will be the case.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:32 PM
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46. If her only route to victory is overturning the Pledged Delegates, then she has lost.
That's her only option.
The process has played out. She had her chance to get back in this Tuesday, but she didn't make up any ground.
It's all over except the crying.
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:40 PM
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21. You're making WAY too much sense. Hell, even Hillary has no devotion to the Democratic party . . .
Hillary is only devoted to Hillary.
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mculator Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:48 PM
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29. Dream ticket
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:26 PM
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8. You do when it's impossible to win it
And it may hurt the party's chances in the GE.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:45 PM
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27. And THAT IS THE KEY HERE-HILLARY IS MATHEMATICALLY ELIMINATED
even with FL and MI
I'll put it in Canadian terms for you:

She's just scored so she's now down 3 goals to 2 and there's 15 seconds left and the Obama Team has a power play on


Close but impossible to win.
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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:24 PM
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41. What will hurt the party is all the people not willing to vote for a
guy that can only give inspirational speeches, insult his opponent, has no skill at diplomacy, no experience, no knowledge of what is required. A guy that only got this far because he is black. People want an experienced, qualified, knowledgeable, candidate with human frailties but good hearted and honest and that is Hillary Clinton.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:26 PM
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10. What - You don't think Hillary should stand aside for the good of the children?
Where is your humanity? The "Baby on Board" generation needs to get their signs out of their scrap/baby books and change them to "Obama Baby on Board".
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:38 PM
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20. Now that was just plain damn funny!
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trueblue2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:50 PM
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30. Things about Obama are starting to bother me. HE SHOULD BOW OUT
I support her. I have been a Democrat since I was 13 years old and LOVED JFK.

I HAVE VOTED DEMOCRAT IN EVERY SINGLE ELECTION SINCE I WAS ABLE TO VOTE. Read this article and tell me they are lies.

Show documentation. Just don't tell me the author is a liar. http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=12687
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:35 PM
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47. why would the winner bow out?
You seriously need to look at the delegate math if you cannot understand what is being said here.
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damonm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:42 PM
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50. I read the article...
And Hillary is better how...? Given that she's voted with Rethugs more than Obama has, and she's rated LESS liberal than Obama?
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:29 PM
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44. It's not close. She cannot close Obama's lead.
Just because you cannot comprehend this, doesn't change the facts.
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LVjinx Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:55 AM
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76. Do these people REALLY think we don't know their actual motives?
Idiots.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:23 PM
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2. And alienate 50% of the voters?
I don't think so
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:26 PM
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7. If 50% of the voters are alienated, then they are a pretty childish bunch
If the party can't take a close race, how good of a party is it? Why should she give up? Because people who didn't vote for her think she should?
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:36 PM
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18. I see
50% of Democratic voters are childish? I suppose the women who support her, are also childish? Please send your comments to every major womens organization in the country that support Hillary. Tell them they are childish because they want her to stay in the race and childish if they feel alienated if she is forced out on such a close race.
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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:58 PM
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60. hillary loves children
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:24 PM
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3. The Giants should have quit the super bowl when they were behind in the third quarter
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ExFreeper4Obama Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:58 PM
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32. For Hillary its more like the 4th quarter...
with 2 seconds left. The ball at your own 2 yard line with 98 yards to go for a touchdown. A field goal won't do because theres only 2 seconds left and a play has to be run. Get it?

ITS OVER
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:01 PM
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35. I take a look at the delegate totals and thats what I get
Your analogy based on the current numbers is hilarious.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:38 PM
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49. so how does she make up the ground, pray tell?
I'd really like to see your theory on this.
Even if she won every contest from here on out 55-45 she would still be behind in Pledged delegates.
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:21 PM
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38. The Giants should have never even played in
the Superbowl since it was a forgone conclusion that the Patriots would kill them. It would have been the right thing to do to allow the Pats to be coronated as champs.

:eyes:
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:24 PM
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42. I defer to your excellent point originating from a brilliant mind
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:37 PM
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48. the Patriots weren't ahead by more than 100 points, Obama is.
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damonm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:43 PM
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51. They had a chance to win without twisting the rules - Clinton doesn't
So you get:

EPIC FAIL.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:47 PM
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55. And you all wonder why people call you cultists!
I forgot the rules that no one can say anything even remotely negative about Obama or his campaign or his chances of winning. Sorry!
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:24 PM
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4. nobody has the nomination yet. how about letting the democratic process
take its course? you know, like the rest of the primary and caucus states having a say? too risky for your candidate??
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:25 PM
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6. sorry, if Clinton wanted to remain relevant she should have campaigned in all 50 states.
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reality based Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:26 PM
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9. He's used to getting his way by having his opponents drop out before the election.
Maybe he's hoping Alan Keyes will get into the race.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:41 PM
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24. If my memory serves me (and it does!)
didn't the same thing happen REPEATEDLY both times HRC ran for her Senate seat? Not that it matters at this point, but neither of them has ever been in a tough electoral fight (Bill's does not count).
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:25 PM
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5. she's going after the DNC & Howard Dean, and dividing Democrats worse than ever
Maybe she's going after more money too.

$54 Million isn't enough.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:33 PM
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13. If Obama is elected Howard will lose his job.
Rahm Emanuel (Obama's hand picked senate seat replacement) will see to it. Rahm and David Axelrod are best friends and Axelrod was hired by Rahm to do strategy for the DCCC in 2006. Rahm had a very public war with Dean in 2006 over candidate support and fund placement choices.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:40 PM
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22. That's bullshit.
Dean laid out the plan for Obama to follow. Why would Dean be forced out for laying down a winning strategy? Answer me that question.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:57 PM
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31. Because David and Rahm hate him. eom
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:00 PM
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34. Rahm hates Clinton and has been supporting Obama along with Howard.
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:22 PM
Response to Reply #31
64. That's not evidence. That's an opinion.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 06:18 PM
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68. Howard was the one that listed Obama as one of the original dean Dozen and he was the one that
arranged for him to make the speech at the 2004 Convention when he was still just a state senator. Those are facts.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:28 PM
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12. What would make anyone think that was for the "good of the country"
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 03:29 PM by saracat
Many of us feel Obama is dividing this country and will divide the nation in the GE, but I guess we don't count. We get to be "thrown under the bus because Obama wants his day and he wants it NOW. Screw that.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:36 PM
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16. SHE CAN'T WIN
So are you a Democrat or not?
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:41 PM
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23. She has just as much chance of winning as Obama.
I have been a Democrat for 30+years. I will not support the GOP.But I also may not support Obama.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:47 PM
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28. WHat you say is true ONLY if
the nominee will eventually be chosen by the super delegates (or something completely unforseen happens that will completely change the picture, I guess it is always possible, but I hinestly have no idea what such an event may look like). Please, try to put your dislike for Obama, which of course you are perfectly entitled to, on the side for a moment and just think whether this is how the nominee of the democratic party should be chosen.
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wileedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:21 PM
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39. No, she doesn't
She is mathematically eliminated from walking into the Convention with more delegates, barring an absolutely historic meltdown.

The only way she can win is if the SDs go against the PD count, which is party suicide.

Unless she wants to follow that course of action, she does not have "just as much chance of winning as Obama". She has one chance that will effectively tear the party in half if she follows through with it.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:29 PM
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43. My state did not go for Obama and yet we have two SD. who are supporting him. Maybe if all the SD's
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 04:30 PM by saracat
voted for the popular vote ,the picture would be different.Some of our SD are going against the PD vote.Many O folks want to see that happen but only if the vote goes to BO.
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wileedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:43 PM
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52. He's leading the pop vote
by 600000.

Again, he will walk into the convention at worse with a 70-80 delegate lead and possibly more.

We're not talking state by state analysis - and remember many SDs are not state officials and not tied to anything - we're looking at the overall picture.

It will be an epic disaster if he goes to Denver with that lead and the SDs don't nominate him.

The only thing continuing this does is allow more mudslinging, more money wasted on a 99.9% decided election, and more opportunity for McCain to sell his message unopposed.

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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:47 PM
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56. Doesn't matter to me I say fight it out till the convention. All states haven't voted.
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 04:47 PM by saracat
And noone is listening to McCain with this going on. We have a right to know about both candidates. And the longer it takes the more we learn. Barack needs to be tested.
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wileedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:59 PM
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61. So
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 05:03 PM by wileedog
Hillary pointing out that the future Republican opponent they should be fighting has more experience than him is 'testing' him?

Great.

Maybe we can throw in some lawsuits over Texas caucuses and Florida Fuax Primaries too.

The primary is often over before all states have voted. It is in the case too. Your entitled to you opinion and I respect it, but personally I see more harm than good here, especially if the negativity continues to pile on.

Or much worse if Hillary really does go for the power play with the SDs in Denver, and I have trouble believing she won't the longer this goes on.

EDIT: and this is why http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4932159">LINK


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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:10 PM
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62. This is such nonsense .really. It is obvious McCain has more "experience" than Obama and
he would have used the argument whether Hillary used it or not.Do you think the GOP don't realize those things? It wasn't even very creative of her.I have friends that actually witnessed vote suppression at the caucus in Nevada and Iowa.I think that should be looked into as well. Students were bused in that didn't even live in Iowa and paid $250 to vote. My friend witnessed this and they witnessed people being "locked out " and told they couldn't vote for candidates not endorsed by their unions in Nevada. I would like action taken on that.

If the Texas Caucuses were as corrupt as those, I say go for the lawsuit. Any candidate we have that would indulge in such campaigning needs to be exposed.And better now that after the nomination.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:29 PM
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65. And if the moon is in the seventh house, and jupiter aligns with mars, and....
No, the math's just not there. No Hillaryc Convergance is going to happen.

The only sure thing if she stays in is that the party stands a good, good chance of being ripped apart from the inside out.

I'm still not much of an Obama fan (I'm an Edwards supporter), but I'm pretty much done with Hillary--especially after she talked up McCain again today. Just STFU already.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:45 PM
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54. how? how? how? just saying it doesn't make it so.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:21 PM
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37. Yes she can.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:44 PM
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53. you are supporting Hillary based on gender, admit it.
She has divided this country into Women vs Men, White vs Black, Christians vs Muslims.
She is bad for this Country.
Her brand of politics is filthy and divisive.
John Edwards knows this, why don't you?

If you can come up with a way that Hillary regains the Pledged delegate lead, let me know.

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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:11 PM
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63. Really? John doesn't seem to be endorsing Obama either!
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 06:12 PM
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66. and he sure as hell isn't endorsing 'Status Quo' Hilly
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 06:12 PM by JackORoses
How can you support her after all the faults Edwards has called her on?
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 06:16 PM
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67. Actually folks in the edwards Campaign have informed me that John was leaning much more towards
Hillary.She does after all, have his healthcare program and is more interested in poverty than Obama.I think Obama is more corrupt than Hillary. I know people that witnessed what his folks did at caucus. And I read Obamas book. I have real trouble with him.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 06:28 PM
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70. sure he was, that's why he endorsed her, right? He knows she is poison.
John's whole platform is built around fighting the same Lobbyists and Special Interests that Hillary calls friends.
Remember when he asked her to pledge to a Lobbyist free White House, and she refused?

You have no proof Obama is corrupt, you just imagine that.
You read his book, and take his honesty and imagine even worse things.

You are just looking for reasons to excuse your support for Hillary.

Going with the Devil you do know, or at least think you know, huh?
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 06:35 PM
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72. Yup. I know what her faults are and can deal with them. She was not my first choice
but at the end of the day I prefer her to Obama.I don't need to excuse my support of Hillary.John has suspended.And I won't support Obama.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 06:51 PM
Response to Reply #72
73. Can you even articulate why you fear Obama? Is it in your gut or based on fact?
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:33 PM
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14. Perhaps we should just do away with elections...
...and put in whomever them media chooses...

We can just have a coronation ...
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:36 PM
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15. What about the number 2024 don't you understand?
So far, neither of them have that number. According to the rules, they are both failing to hit the mark. This is the Democratic Primary, not The Biggest Losers show.
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grrr050 Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:54 PM
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58. You cracked me up.
I have to agree with you 100%
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 06:22 PM
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69. ...
:hi:
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:36 PM
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17. Now, the Hillary campaign is saying that Obama is running ......
a negative campaign .. comparing him to Ken Starr. Mmmm guess that works on the less educated Hillary voter.
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DemzRock Donating Member (824 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:42 PM
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25. Some think that BO started the negatives by falsely accusing the Clintons of racism. n/t
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:45 PM
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26. with remarks like yours, is it any wonder a lot of Hillary's supporters will not vote for your man?
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:00 PM
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33. THere is an BO fan on DU actually "quoting " Ken Starr to attack Clinton.
I kid you not.
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:17 PM
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36. People are beginning to hear the truth about Obama and they don't like it.
Up until the last few weeks it's been all roses and daisies.


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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:49 PM
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57. They are sticking their fingers in their ears and singing la! la! la!
Better it comes out now. Better from us than McCain.
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tandem5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:23 PM
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40. no.
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Johnny Potpie Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:30 PM
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45. Agreed
Hillary cannot catch up now. I only wish she could put her personal desires away for the good of the country. Something tells me that Hillary will be anointed Dem nominee despite the wishes of the Democratic voters out there who are working for change. If that happens, don't expect me to be anything less than :grr: :grr: :grr:
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:58 PM
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59. very undemocratic
AND I think an Obama tactic...to make people believe Hillary doesn't have a chance and SHOULD back out...I think this a shameful way to attempt to win...what a F*CKING LOSER! And all you DUER's posting this shit...you smell.
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RememberWellstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 06:30 PM
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71. More lunacy
it gets worse everyday when the Obama kids wake up and see the writing on the wall.
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NastyRiffraff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:13 PM
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74. Yawn. What is this, the 2,418th post on the same subject...
with the same tired old arguments pretending to be original?
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End Of The Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:14 PM
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75. She should stay in until the very end
and kick Obama's butt any way she can.
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