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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:10 PM
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Did John Edwards make a horrible mistake? (I guess maybe he was forced?)
Just wondering if some very in-the-know peeps will help me out.

If John had stayed in on Super Tuesday, and got, say 150 delegates to go with his 26, wouldn't he have been the kingmaker if that wonderful Senator from NY insists on bloodying up Obama and forcing this to convention? I understand that it might not have made a difference, and I'm looking for opinion or fact here. I'm wondering if anyone has heard a full calculation, or thought one out, that figures out if he would have made an impact with a few hundred delegates...

because, imho, it would seem this could end up being very close if MI & FL get to do re-overs (that sounds so dumb to allow, they didn't follow the rules, simple), and maybe John's delegates would have made all the difference in the world.

Of course, if it's within 26 I guess they would, but that's like winning both showcases on the TPIR! Well, pre-Carey TPIR.
Please give your opinions or thoughts on the first matter!

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:11 PM
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1. Did Edwards have any money left to continue?
Maybe he was just tired, disgusted, and wasn't thinking this far ahead.
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Gato Moteado Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:12 PM
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2. who's to say edwards wouldn't give his delegates to hilly?
what's TPIR?
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:19 PM
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10. The game show, The Price Is Right. n/t
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:37 PM
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15. I don't know that the delegates are his to "give"
He doesn't personally control the delegates. I believe that since he dropped out they are free to vote their conscience even on the first ballot and think that in all likelihood there has been a lot going on behind the scenes to get their votes because now they are analogous to superdelegates.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:41 PM
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19. He did not "drop out." That's the point. He suspended his campaign.
They are his delegates. He has not released them to my knowledge.
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:59 PM
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26. All that would mean is they have to vote for him on the first ballot I believe
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 05:00 PM by Jersey Devil
and then only if he is nominated. Otherwise I think I am correct that they are free to do as they please, just like superdelegates. I do not think a candidate who either drops out or "suspends" his campaign can order them to do anything. They probably would honor his requests I would think, since chances are they are very loyal to him, but they are not bound to.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:14 PM
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3. His endorsement -- especially now -- could make a big difference
My feeling is that he wants to endorse Obama but, especially
since he urged a more aggressive stance toward Hillary earlier
in the primary season, he's waiting to see if Obama will
step up to the plate and fight back. Maybe once he sees
that Obama WILL fight, Edwards will get off the fence.
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:14 PM
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4. I think he made a drastic mistake
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:42 PM
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20. I think Democrats have made a tragic mistake.
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 03:42 PM by JDPriestly
Edwards was and still is the best candidate we have. He is the only one who consistently lead McCain in the polls. He is the best compromise candidate we have.

Either Hillary and Obama agree to share the ticket or we should draft Edwards, possibly with Gore or Wesley Clark on the ticket. Biden would be a good person to run with Edwards.
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 04:08 PM
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25. I would be delighted with any and all of the people
...you list as alternatives. We can quibble about the top spot, but that's a damn fine list.

I also agree that the two contenders are the worst for the Democrats --in several ways. I'm not sure that either of them can win in November.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:14 PM
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5. He's got 26.....that haven't been given to HC or BO.

Rumor is that Obama will pick him as VP (supposedly. that is why Edwards dropped out; they made deal). This is my DREAM ticket!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:15 PM
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6. I think he was strong-armed. (nt)
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 03:15 PM by redqueen
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:38 PM
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17. ITA
He could have won MI, Ohio, for sure. When the shit hits the fan, we will wish we had Edwards in charge-kinda like we feel about Gore now.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:39 PM
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18. And probably OK, as well.
Alas...
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:15 PM
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7. My heart goes out to him really.
He is a fantastic advocate for the poor.

And in any other prior climate, he would have been an absolutely stellar candidate.

I'm concerned that his dear wife's condition unquestionably played a role in his decision to withdraw.

I still think he'll be a player.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:15 PM
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8. Some people say the Edwards was FORCED out of the race. TPTB are engineering the
election of HRC so she can cover for the cabal's crimes just as Bill did last time.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:15 PM
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9. I agree with you...
I think he could have had a say in who the nominee is going to be. But to me, more importantly, he could have used the power he would have accumulated to make sure that his agenda became part of the Dem platform.
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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:29 PM
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11. John Edwards lost the race not because he wanted to,
He made his choice based on the best reasons for America.
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NoBushSpokenHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:34 PM
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12. I believe
he "suspended" his campaign to wait and see if "something" happened. I think as soon as that "something" is known or passes, he will either be in the press with some huge news or be pledging his support to Obama. And, no, I do not have inside information, 'cept for my tin foil hat... those things do come in handy at times :)
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:36 PM
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14. such great answers from all of you, thank you EOM
:tinfoilhat:
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andym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:34 PM
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13. Edwards was in it to win
Edwards was in it to win, not to be a king- or queen- maker.
He dropped out when he believed he couldn't secure the nomination.

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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:43 PM
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22. Again, he did not drop out.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:37 PM
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16. Further, had he stayed in through Super Tuesday, Hillary would most
likely have the lead right now.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:42 PM
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21. I miss John Edwards in this campaign, never moreso than the past couple of days. I
wish he were still in this thing, and yet again - seeing how nasty is has become - I don't wish that at all for him. Clinton would have done the same to him, were he in Obama's position, or still the 3rd person in the race. On the other hand, I see a matchup between Obama and Edwards as having been decent and honorable, issues driven. Good for America, good for the party. I just wish it were any of the candidates but Hillary. If it were, we wouldn't be facing this divisive destruction within the party. Never let it be said that woman is not the most divisive democrat in the party today.

Biden, Edwards, Richardson, Dodd.. Kucinich.. all of them would have been a true ASSET to the race this year.

But not Hillary.

I miss John and I miss Joe.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:45 PM
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23. My heart hurts reading this. I only wish...nt
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:33 PM
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27. I know, I'm sorry
I wish he was still in it. Perhaps he has something up his sleeve to make it all go down a lot better. It's a bitter pill to swallow seeing him on the sidelines. Hillary is destroying this party with her propping up of...... MCCAIN in interview after interview. What a horrible thing to do.

Let's hope Obama wins, as should most likely occur and he picks John as VP. Nothing else (other than a surprise Nominee) will make this easier on a lot of us.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:46 PM
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24. maybe he'll run again if there's a do'over
considering all of this talk about "fairness".
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:36 PM
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28. My guess is had Edwards stayed in Obama would have won Ohio
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