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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:52 PM
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Obama and the NAFTA SHAFTA is STILL TRUE
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 01:47 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
so this new brouhaha over it beings Clinton is total BULLSHIT!

Harper is just trying to cover his Bush loving ass and save his Chief of Staff from being fired.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/03/04/harper-obama.html?ref=rss

PM denies top aide leaked Obama NAFTA memo

Opposition demands Harper's chief of staff be fired
Last Updated: Tuesday, March 4, 2008 | 5:47 PM ET Comments15Recommend80
CBC News

Prime Minister Stephen Harper on Tuesday denied the top official in his office leaked a memo of a meeting between an aide to Barack Obama and a Canadian diplomat over the Democratic presidential hopeful's NAFTA position.

The controversy has dominated headlines ahead of Tuesday's crucial four-state vote and given Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton fresh ammunition to criticize her Democratic rival amid a rancorous campaign for the party's presidential nomination.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper called the leak of a memo describing a meeting between a Barack Obama aide and a Canadian diplomat over the Democratic presidential hopeful's NAFTA position 'regrettable.'Prime Minister Stephen Harper called the leak of a memo describing a meeting between a Barack Obama aide and a Canadian diplomat over the Democratic presidential hopeful's NAFTA position 'regrettable.'

Prime Minister Stephen Harper called the leak of a memo describing a meeting between a Barack Obama aide and a Canadian diplomat over the Democratic presidential hopeful's NAFTA position 'regrettable.'


The media storm began late last week after someone told Canadian and American news outlets that Obama advisers had tipped off Canadian diplomats that their promise to reopen NAFTA was just empty talk aimed at winning votes in Ohio.

After Obama and the Canadian government denied the allegation, someone leaked a diplomatic memo describing such a conversation between Obama's economic adviser Austan Goolsbee and Consul General Georges Rioux.

The memo, written by a consular employee, says Goolsbee privately told Rioux that Obama's attack on free trade is "more reflective of political manoeuvring than policy."

An ABC News report identified Harper’s chief of staff, Ian Brodie, as the source of the details of a meeting to reporters.

The prime minister said his government is trying to find the person responsible for leaking the memo.

"It was not my chief of staff," Harper said during question period while under fire from NDP Leader Jack Layton, who demanded Brodie be fired if it is confirmed he tipped off reporters to the details of the meeting.

"The leak of this particular document is not only regrettable, as the Canadian Embassy in the United States has already said, it is completely unacceptable to this government and we will do our best to find out who did it."

But the prime minister spoke only of the leaked document and did not address specifically who told reporters of the meeting.

Layton accused Harper himself of "interference," alleging the prime minister personally authorized the leak in order to discredit the Obama camp and aid the Republicans, a charge Harper vehemently denied.

"The reality is what we're talking about here is a report that someone in the consulate to Chicago wrote to their superior," Harper responded. "There are literally thousands of documents like this written around the world by Canadian officials. It's ridiculous to think that the prime minister's office even ever sees these documents."
Tories using government to do 'dirty work': Rae

Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama's campaign has faced tough questions over a leaked Canadian memo that says his position on reopening NAFTA was 'more reflective of political manoeuvring than policy.'Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama's campaign has faced tough questions over a leaked Canadian memo that says his position on reopening NAFTA was 'more reflective of political manoeuvring than policy.'

Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama's campaign has faced tough questions over a leaked Canadian memo that says his position on reopening NAFTA was 'more reflective of political manoeuvring than policy.'
(Rick Bowmer/Associated Press)

Liberal foreign affairs critic Bob Rae said it was clear the Tories are trying to help Republican friends at the expense of Canadian interests.

"They will do what is necessary to help Republicans. They're a nasty, unprincipled bunch, who are incompetent to boot," Rae wrote in a blog.

The controversy could play to the Republicans' advantage in November and hurt the Illinois senator in Ohio, a potential swing state where job losses have made the 15-year-old free-trade deal highly unpopular.

Obama and Clinton have both said they want to reopen the free-trade deal between Canada, the U.S. and Mexico to ensure better environmental and labour standards.
Trade Minister David Emerson and Finance Minister Jim Flaherty said U.S. officials should not forget the benefits of the agreement and hinted Canada could respond to a NAFTA pullout by renegotiating U.S.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:57 PM
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1. That story is two days old.
Yesterday's story implicated Clinton.
A number of people overhead someone saying that the Clinton camp stated to take any NAFTA rhetoric "with a pinch of salt".

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Nine Donating Member (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:32 PM
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19. Well that proves it!
A "number of people" overheard "someone" saying something. I'm convinced!
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:35 PM
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37. Face it in the debate, you could tell the only reason he went along with changing NAFTA was because
Hillary was ask the question, and he had to say the same thing, he was hesitant with his answer.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:58 PM
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2. LOL! Hillary lied about NAFTA! She gave the Canadians the old "wink wink"--Obama didn't.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:29 PM
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15. Oh She Did? Where's The Memo? Oh Shit, You Don't Have One? How Sad For You.
See, cause we do have a memo from the Obama side. :hi:
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:58 PM
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3. Funny, we saw the memo, so it must have been leaked.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:00 PM
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4. RW Canada and Obama are in FULL DAMAGE CONTROL MODE!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:00 PM
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5. rec.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:13 PM
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6. Uh, substitute "Clinton" for "Obama"...
and your post title would actually be true!

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080305.wnafta06/EmailBNStory/National/home

Mr. Brodie, apparently seeking to play down the potential impact on Canada, told the reporters the threat was not serious, and that someone from Ms. Clinton's campaign had even contacted Canadian diplomats to tell them not to worry because the NAFTA threats were mostly political posturing.

The Canadian Press cited an unnamed source last night as saying that several people overheard the remark.

The news agency quoted that source as saying that Mr. Brodie said that someone from Ms. Clinton's campaign called and was "telling the embassy to take it with a grain of salt."

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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:13 PM
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7. The facts as they exist today...
PM's top aide set off storm with Obama NAFTA leak

OTTAWA — The leak of a confidential diplomatic discussion that rocked the U.S. presidential campaign began with an offhand remark to journalists from the Prime Minister's chief of staff, Ian Brodie.

snip

Mr. Brodie, apparently seeking to play down the potential impact on Canada, told the reporters the threat was not serious, and that someone from Ms. Clinton's campaign had even contacted Canadian diplomats to tell them not to worry because the NAFTA threats were mostly political posturing.

The Canadian Press cited an unnamed source last night as saying that several people overheard the remark.

snip

The story was followed by CTV's Washington bureau chief, Tom Clark, who reported that the Obama campaign, not the Clinton's, had reassured Canadian diplomats.

more

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080305.wnafta06/BNStory/National/home

CTV is owned by the global conglomerate, leans right wing and tends to be "friendly" to the conservatives so one might ask why Mr. Clark didn't report on the facts surrounding the Clinton aspect to the story.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:18 PM
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9. where's the proof that Clinton did this...leak that damn memo IF it is true
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 01:18 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:21 PM
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10. Here is a news story that's
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:25 PM
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11. What I want to know is where's the proof
Clinton called the canadian representative? You don't have evidence, then it's not true. In Obama's case they have written memos.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:30 PM
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17. Not true....harper's chief of staff related the fact of the Clinton
campaign call, comments heard by numerous reporters at the time. The memo, on the other hand, was NOT written by Obama or anyone affiliated by him but, rather, the subjective opinion of a low level Embassy staffer where upon the Embassy has stated the memo does NOT relate to the facts.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:27 PM
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12. Ummm, harper's chief of staff said it was a....
phone call so leaking a non-existent memo would be impossible. Mr. Clark's comments were overheard by others as stated in the article.

The infamous memo was NOT written by Obama or anyone affiliated with him NOR does it quote anyone, it merely puts the opinion of an Embassy staffer on paper and the Embassy has stated the memo does NOT reflect the facts.

It seems the facts are pointing more to the Clinton aspect than the Obama one. Why DID the CTV reporter wrongly focus on Obama and NOT on the Clinton comment? Don't you wonder about that?
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:29 PM
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16. where's the memo!...Harper's trying to save his Chief of Staff from being fired
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:33 PM
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21. What memo? The subjective opinion of a low level Embassy
staffer where upon the Embassy has stated the staffer's memo does not reflect the facts? That memo? Given the Chief of Staff related the point about the Clinton campaign phone call, there would be NO memo in that case, correct?

As to harper trying to save his Chief of Staff from being fired, only harper can fire him, lol.
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:36 PM
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24. What I heard was the person calling claiming to be a Clinton supporter
Was really someone from Obama's campaign that told them over the phone he was from the Clinton Camp to leak a message and make it sound like someone from Clinton's campaign did it.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:42 PM
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27. LOL, that's a hoot, nice try though....
You should use the :sarcasm: tag because there are some who might think you are serious!

:rofl:

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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:44 PM
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29. after Obama busted in his other lies ....I believe it 100%
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:16 PM
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8. Canada PM vows probe into leaked memo assailing Obama
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:28 PM
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13. HAHAH Obama touts as foreign policy "experience" trips to Montreal while on the Yale debate team ..
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 01:32 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
and a vaction trip he and Michelle took to Vancover as "experience......

OMG I am LMAO tears :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Thank you so much for the link to the "memo"....it is a goldmine


.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:35 PM
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23. Hillary touts Tea with the Malaysian Prime Minister
Her whole 'experience' argument is bullshit.

She is like the Boy Scout who gets his Dad to sign off on all his merit badges just so he can have the most.

No substance, just the illusion.
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:39 PM
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26. LOL ... and let us not forget BO's reference to the "President of Canada" in one of the debates/nt
Bet he knows that the Grand poobah of Canada is the Prime Minister now.
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gabeana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:28 PM
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14. You sure stepped into it
Mr. Brodie, apparently seeking to play down the potential impact on Canada, told the reporters the threat was not serious, and that someone from Ms. Clinton's campaign had even contacted Canadian diplomats to tell them not to worry because the NAFTA threats were mostly political posturing.

The Canadian Press cited an unnamed source last night as saying that several people overheard the remark.

The news agency quoted that source as saying that Mr. Brodie said that someone from Ms. Clinton's campaign called and was "telling the embassy to take it with a grain of salt."

Update: The CBC exonerates the Obama campaign

Daily KOS.com
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:30 PM
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18. are you really that dense?
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gabeana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:32 PM
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20. No but what are you
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purji Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:33 PM
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22. are you really that dense?
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:37 PM
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25. interesting last paragraph of the memo
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:44 PM
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28. I'm LOL
:rofl:
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Nine Donating Member (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:46 PM
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31. What does it say?
My eyes aren't that good. :)
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TheZug Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:44 PM
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30. "the" NAFTA?? Did you see this on "the cable"?
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 01:45 PM by TheZug
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:52 PM
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32. Again Hillary is blaming Obama for precisely what she is doing.
That's chickenshit politics and this revelation will open the eyes of John Q. Public as to how the Clintons really operate: Point and pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:06 PM
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33. Ha ha---OHio voters knew the truth. You are still duping yourself.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:08 PM
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34. Get back to me when John Q. Public digests this current revelation of further HRC dirty tricks.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:21 PM
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35. The doubt factor has set in for BO. They now ask "can i trust him". something new is in the air.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:30 PM
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36. that "something in the air" you hear is the Clinton campaign flushing themselves down the toilet
maybe you can save them:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:11 PM
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38. Never unestimate Hillary sweetie--you all were dancing on her grave months ago!
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