Obama takes 2 out of 4 last night!!

[dempartisan23]

he won texas and vermont. it was a great night for obama and devastating for the clintons!!

[Zynx]

1. Obama lost Texas by 100,000 votes. Act like a Democrat for God's sake.

After a point I don't give a shit about these delegate games. You guys sound like a bunch of Republicans winning at any price by any method.

[Kittycat]

2. Riiiiight.

And let the MI and FL delegates be seated as it stands? :eyes:

[tyne]

7. If it were about

the popular vote, Obama would have applied a different strategy. The primary is about delegate count. You don't need a certain number of popular vote counts to win a nomination...you need a certain number of delegates.

[JackORoses]

11. The votes are only tallied in order to award Delegates. That is a fact.

Sorry your lady lost, but delegates are what makes a nominee.

[thunder rising]

17. Hillary is ALL about the delegates. Don't get religious now. That's the 50% + 1 campaign

[Dems Will Win]

20. Sorry it's a hybrid contest, you're just quoting the primary. The final delegate count is Obama 98,

Clinton 95 from TX in March 4th.

OBAMA WINS TX. There is no other way to look at a HYBRID contest.

[Tarc]

39. Oh I dunno, how about some common fucking SENSE?

Only the most desperate of partisan twits can take the inherently UNdemocratic caucus system and say that is comparable to a legitimate primary vote. The mandate given to Hillary Clinton by the voters of Texas is crystal clear.


Your boy lost Texas last night. Suck it up and move on, kiddo.

[zarath]

47. caucuses award delegates. period.

Since, in your view, caucuses are undemocratic, therefore they don't count? It's funny how the DNC takes a different view than you and accredits them with delegates. The delegates are the only thing that counts in selecting the nominee. Your candidate of choice understands this (regardless of what she may say) so why can't you?

[PetraPooh]

51. Unfortunately we won't know the caucus count till June 6th

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/news-desk/2008/03/04/explaining-the-texas-two-step.html

"Those who have voted in the Texas Democratic primary are eligible to take part in a caucus at their precinct location this evening. Those caucuses will choose delegates who will go on to a county/district Democratic convention to be held on March 29. But it's not over after that. Delegates at the county/district convention will choose delegates to go on to a June 6 state convention in Austin. Those delegates will choose how the 67 national delegates are split between the candidates."

Since those that have chosen to share their caucuses results show O'bama in the lead it is likely that he will win TX by 3 delegates

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/about_those_texas_caucus_resul.php

[Growler]

48. Delusional...

> Only the most desperate of partisan twits...

This is so delusional it's sad. Just because Hillary didn't understand the Texas process doesn't make her the winner. It's like claiming you won the entire biathlon after only winning the 1st part but failing the 2nd. The first person to cross the finish line WINS whether you like it or not, and most delegates decides the winner in Texas, not "whomever wins the primary but loses the caucus".

Obama won, Hillary lost. Any other conclusion is madness.

[jakem]

65. waaaa!! its nor faaaiiiirrr!

'cause my candidate loses the caucuses!!

[Exilednight]

56. You claim that a caucus is not democratic, then what does that make super delegates?

Let me guess, super delegates are part of the rules, but caucuses are undemocratic.

[roguevalley]

57. our state has a caucus as do many others. thanks for the slam

I will remember it when it comes time to vote.

[RiverStone]

25. Hillary won the primary - Obama won the caucuses

Some have said both pukes (some at Rush's insistence) and independents voted for Hillary in private, but did not have the guts to vote for her in the caucuses - hence, the discrepancy.

Just one theory?

No matter how ya spin it, Obama will have the most pledged delegates when the dust settles in July - and he currently leads the national popular vote by about 600K.

Hillary needs to decide if she wants a floor fight at the convention or not.

[Bread and Circus]

29. This race is a delegate race, make no mistake. They call it the Texas Two Step for a reason.

[OwnedByFerrets]

35. If you are gonna spin

shit, at least make sure its not so stinky. It was all over the faux news this morning (even Thom Hartman reported this) that ALL the dittoheads voted for CLINTON, not OBAMA, at Limpballs insistance. They feel that she is much more vunerable in the GE.

[RiverStone]

36. I stand corrected...

Actually, I meant to say Hillary but plugged in Obama, I'm tired! Too much blogging and up till 3 a.m. last night. Yea, I'm a politcal junkie.

Now I think I got it right :hi:

[OwnedByFerrets]

38. SS....

didnt mean to be so poopy.....but I am pretty wound up over the results last nite.

[RiverStone]

42. No worries - Obama still has the pledged delegates locked up!

:)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4918154

[merh]

63. and Gore won the popular vote in 2000

but we know how that went, don't we.

Honestly, everyone is acting like jack asses - both candidates are members of the democratic party and one of them needs to win the general election. Tearing each other apart serves no purpose.

[BzaDem]

3. Nice try.

Facts are a bitch. Over one hundred thousand more voters voted for Hillary than Obama in Texas.

[Kittycat]

4. You're correct. And he still leads in popular vote, states won, & delegates.

Facts indeed are a bitch.

[BzaDem]

5. Did I ever say otherwise?

I simply said Hillary won Texas.

[Kittycat]

12. And I agreed.

[dempartisan23]

31. obama was strong last night

i am impressed.

[Hepburn]

13. So true....

...now try using them, OK? Sorry your girl Hill is losing...but those are the facts.

[JackORoses]

15. Does that Popular vote total in any way count toward electing a Nominee?

Oh, Yes. It is used to award delegates.

ooops. I guess facts are a bitch.

[Ravy]

19. And superdelegates might base their vote on it. nt

[JackORoses]

37. Obama is leading the Popular Vote overall. Nice try, though.

[Ravy]

64. Yes, he is. You asked what difference it makes, I told you. Simple as that. nt

[Cha]

16. Facts are a bitch and so is

Karma.

[KittyWampus]

54. that's irrelevant to the candidates contesting the nomination. What's relevant are delegates.

[NightWatcher]

6. why havent the complete results come out from the texas caucus?

Obama is ahead by 12 percentage points per cnn

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#TX

[MercutioATC]

10. Because they haven't finished counting and certifying the votes.

[PetraPooh]

53. WRONG, no one will know till June6th. See post #51

[boppers]

58. Just like nobody will know the results the night of the GE.

Because the electoral college meets after the GE.

Riiiiiight.

Might I interest you in a bridge?

[PetraPooh]

59. The delegates are not required to vote a particular way, they can

change their minds from now till then, did you read or was your mouth blocking your view?

[MercutioATC]

60. The delegates are selected by the campaigns...same as any other delegates.

Do you really think they'll change their minds?

[PetraPooh]

61. CAN and WILL are up to the nominated delegates, not me and not you

[boppers]

62. The Hillary camp learns what HOPE is all about.

Maybe those delegates won't be derided as "empty suits" now.

[Major Hogwash]

66. Touche! We hope we can, we hope they will, we hope a comet falls out of the sky

No kidding - talk about high in the sky apple pie hopes!

[MercutioATC]

70. Right, but by your logic, ALL delegate numbers are suspect.

ANY of them are able to change their minds.

What's important to realize is that these aren't random people assigned as delegates. They're hand-picked by the parties. They are ardent supporters of their candidate. I think it's a real stretch to expect them to change their minds...especially in view of the animosity between the two camps.

[thevoiceofreason]

8. And took away her last real chance to catch up.

Prevent defense worked. Now let's mount the spine crushing drive to seal the deal.

[Hepburn]

9. Out of the last 16, Hill has lost 14 of them....

...it's time for her to call it quits.

[rodeodance]

14. Ha. Morning papers across the USA and even. news says Clinton took 3 states. Live with the facts.

[PseudoIntellect]

21. Emphasis on MORNING.

(and even the evening news tonight) Obama will be projected to have won TX caucuses later on, which will give him a slight win in TX delegates. So he'll have won 2 of 4, or 2 of "5," if you want to think of it that way.

[rodeodance]

33. you guys tried that with NV---people out there know what is going on.

[peacebird]

22. she won Texas but LOST the Texas caucuses and is still down in delegates and WAY down in # of states

won

[HughMoran]

26. Well, at least you don't waste all of our time posting obvious stuff

:eyes:

[peacebird]

32. glad I could help keep you up to date!

:sarcasm:

Huge Moran indeed
:eyes:

[Dems Will Win]

23. They will correct themselves tomorrow with the delegate count out of TX

Too bad for you this is coming form the OFFICIAL DEM STATE PARTY people.

Obama 98, Clinton 95 delegates (if the caucus lead for O holds up). She lost. Live with it.

[rodeodance]

34. nah.

[JackORoses]

40. this is the problem with you and your candidate.

You don't care if people base their decisions on the Truth.

You want to win, and you don't care how you do it.

[JackORoses]

24. those papers are lining people's bird cages now

Let's talk about tomorrow, where the news will be Obama's overtime win in Texas.

You just can't win, Rodeo!

[Bluebear]

18. "Dem partisan" even sounds like a troll name. Please try harder.

[thewiseguy]

27. GOBAMA!

Texas also goes for Obama. So does Vermont!

[dempartisan23]

28. great news indeed

big night for team obama!!

[IsItJustMe]

30. Not the way the media spun it, but true when you look at the caucus in Texas.

[rainbow4321]

44. Results will done.released the way HRC wanted them to...

Friday night news dump that Obama got TX when you look at what matters---delegate count (after caucus results in). She gets to pretend all week that she won, the MSM gets to try and convince people that she won.
THIS is why her campaign didn't want the TX caucus results done ASAP as the TX Dem party was trying to do (to the tune of $60,000 to rush the results)..HRC camp wanted the numbers buried til HRC could go around all week lying about winning TX.
Isn't there another state happening this weekend?? So the attention totally switches to THAT state and the TX caucus results are buried quickly..no anaylsis of the total number of delegates won..no stats/graphs/talking heads, etc...poof, they are gone.

Which is why Obama winning the Dem nom will be so much sweeter to watch...HRC is going to get f'd by her karma in a big way. Hell, she will probably be on TV after the national convention STILL trying to convince people she is the Dem nom...even after HE makes an acceptance speech.

[IsItJustMe]

46. Yes, Karma is a bitch. What goes around always comes back around.

[Major Hogwash]

68. Will they even report that Obama won Texas? Or just let it fade off as they have left it?

Did you notice on the cable programs yesterday, not one story about Rezko, not one story about NAFTA or Canada, not one story about how no answers were given by Obama?

Weird, huh?

Nah, getting used to it.

[AJH032]

41. sorry, but has the Texas caucus been called yet?

according to CNN, it's in at 40%. Why are we judging results based on this?

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

43. You won't believe this, but the other 60% will not be reported until June! Seriously.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/181717.php

[AJH032]

45. Really?

then why is everyone making it out like Obama won it?

[Beregond2]

49. 4

Of course he did. It was obvious he had last night, but the media needed to keep their phony battle going. I don't know why people can't get it through their heads this isn't an election, it is a Party Primary, and delegates are what count.

[Dogmudgeon]

50. And perhaps he did.

When he struts into the Democratic convention with the most delegates while Hillary has the most popular votes, make sure to put on a pot of coffee for the night's festivities.

If you're an Obama fan, make sure to put your shrink on call. You guys have a history of cracking under stress.

--p!

[Lord Helmet]

52. she was still trying to figure out the rules and he knew he'd win the delegate count

she's not qualified to run her own campaign much less this country

[RememberWellstone]

55. Crack kills

I will glad when Obama goes down, then you lemmings will disappear.

[NDambi]

69. But it is Clinton that is down and will remain so...

[noel711]

67. Be realistic... Hillary did NOT win...

She squeaked by..

Obama won the big cities,
and remember how the polls were a few weeks ago?

clinton was ahead by double digits.
Obama did well...

but there's more to do.

Clinton has no reason to act like the 'heir apparent.'
Where's her 'inevidability'?