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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 09:30 PM Original message |
There is a two state meeting going on. Howard Dean not invited. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
1. And governors working to get those delegates for Hillary. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 09:38 PM Response to Original message |
2. Too bad they didn't have |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 09:47 PM Response to Reply #2 |
14. I consider any election where people show up and vote, proper. |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:10 PM Response to Reply #14 |
61. it's not proper if people are told beforehand that it doesn't count. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:28 PM Response to Reply #61 |
68. They had record turnouts. |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:29 AM Response to Reply #68 |
72. there were other issues besides Presidential nominee on the ballots. |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 03:22 AM Response to Reply #72 |
114. Dean Statement on Primaries: |
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jsmirman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:50 AM Response to Reply #14 |
80. Did you read what you just wrote |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:51 AM Response to Reply #14 |
82. really? that's your only criteria? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:53 AM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Maybe... |
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jsmirman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 01:11 AM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Trust me, it's just as well |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 09:39 PM Response to Original message |
3. So Hillary is counting on a REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR to help her steal the nomination? |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 09:44 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. LOL...I love the FAKE OUTRAGE!!! "Rovian" "McCain" "Republican" |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 09:45 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Well, actually...did you hear how she praised McCain.. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 09:49 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. McCain does have more foreign policy exper. than obama. Your point?? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 09:59 PM Response to Reply #17 |
29. She praised McCain and insulted Obama in the same breath. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 10:01 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. saying he has less experience is valid. you call it insult. so be it. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 10:26 PM Response to Reply #33 |
49. That is not what she said. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 10:29 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Read the transcript--then we can talk. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 10:35 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. It has been all over the news. She said his experience was just one speech. |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 03:03 AM Response to Reply #33 |
108. the only thing foreign to Hillary |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 03:17 AM Response to Reply #33 |
112. rodeodance, meet honesty. honesty, here's an introduction to |
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nonconformist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:05 AM Response to Reply #11 |
93. Did you hear how Obama praised Reagan? |
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Andromeda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:50 AM Response to Reply #93 |
103. Yes, I remember that. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 09:52 PM Response to Reply #8 |
20. I heard a lawyer today--Hillary's point was that a Bush and Repug leg. set the |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 09:54 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Which Bush? The vote was after Jeb was gone. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 09:59 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. sorry--the new gov-- |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 09:57 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. What? The DNC set the rules for the Democratic Party |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 10:00 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. and who prevailed? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 10:01 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Oh my you seem so proud of the rule-breaking FL dems |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 10:04 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. do you know? |
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Andromeda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 03:08 AM Response to Reply #34 |
110. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 10:04 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. Nobody - certainly not the Florida voters the Democrats were supposed to be representing |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 03:04 AM Response to Reply #20 |
109. bullshit, there was only 1 single vote opposing the move |
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HooptieWagon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:58 AM Response to Reply #20 |
116. Hillary doesn't know who is Gov of Florida? |
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Auntie Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
66. And Obama is counting on Republicans to help him win the election. |
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Andromeda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 03:10 AM Response to Reply #66 |
111. Good one, Auntie Bush... |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
4. The headline on Yahoo! right now is that they're considering a revote. Your gossip... |
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HooptieWagon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 10:14 PM Response to Reply #4 |
45. madfloridian's account is 100% accurate |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:29 PM Response to Reply #45 |
69. Caucuses are undemocratic. |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 01:59 AM Response to Reply #69 |
89. Says you, but what the fuck do you know? -eom |
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Beregond2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 09:41 PM Response to Original message |
5. Meeting |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 09:44 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. The OP is wrong, they're not meeting to seat delegates, they're meeting to revote! |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 09:47 PM Response to Reply #5 |
15. You're wrong |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 10:06 PM Response to Reply #5 |
40. put your hate aside and try to listen to what is being said before you look too foolish. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 10:36 PM Response to Reply #5 |
53. I see you are being attacked for your statements. Don't let it bother you. |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:08 PM Response to Reply #5 |
60. I don't think she cares... |
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jaysunb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 09:41 PM Response to Original message |
6. Truth lands in "muddy water"....again. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 09:44 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Truth is simple, indeed. Until someone needs to change it. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 09:46 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. I wouldn't thank someone for lies and misinformation. |
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jaysunb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 09:52 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. Maybe you should look into this a little deeper. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 09:55 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. I trust the AP over BLOGS. Sorry, the OP is full of gossip and innuendo. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:05 PM Response to Reply #12 |
59. We aren't obsessed with disenfranchising anybody. |
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HCE SuiGeneris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:12 AM Response to Reply #12 |
94. The votes cannot count if they are inviolate. Period. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 09:43 PM Response to Original message |
7. BTW, madfloridian, you might be happy that Hillary is all for the revote. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 09:46 PM Response to Original message |
13. The point she was making was that it was a Repug gov and legis. making rules for Dem party!! |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 09:58 PM Response to Reply #13 |
27. But it was introduced by a Democrat. They all worked together. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 10:03 PM Response to Reply #27 |
35. the legal point though is the repug was a gov |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:02 AM Response to Reply #13 |
91. Sorry, the FL Dems in the legislature not only introduced it, they voted for it overwhelmingly. |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 03:19 AM Response to Reply #91 |
113. when/how will that get in the media though? |
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Freida5 (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 09:49 PM Response to Original message |
16. I am so glad Dean wasn't invited. He has really messed up our chances to win |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 09:51 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Why would Dean be invited? He can't deny them a revote. The rules say nothing about a vote... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 09:52 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. You mean it was harder for Hillary and FL to break the rules? |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 09:53 PM Response to Original message |
22. mad - I saw Clinton's comments on Morning Joe this AM |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 09:55 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. I want to find her exact words. I will MSNBC tomorrow. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
28. Thanks for keeping us appraised, mf. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 10:00 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. She is determined to get those delegates. It is to show who is boss. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 10:05 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. If she was so determined then why is her campaign open to a do-over? |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 10:05 PM Response to Reply #32 |
39. Rules are what separate us from the animals |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 10:08 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Ha just noticed your sig picture. LOL |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 10:07 PM Response to Reply #28 |
41. self delete |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 10:09 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Aren't you getting a little nasty there? I have told truth when others did not. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 10:18 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. wrong post in this case--but I have my comments upstream |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 10:08 PM Response to Original message |
43. this meme is beyond tired -- party rules over voters is a perversion of democracy. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 10:28 PM Response to Reply #43 |
50. Oh...so it really IS about Howard Dean. Just like 2004. |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 10:55 PM Response to Reply #43 |
55. Rules don't matter, states don't matter.. |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:03 AM Response to Reply #55 |
92. All that matters is a Clinton Legacy. Their personal ambition is boundless. -eom |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 03:02 AM Response to Reply #92 |
107. she must want to double her $54 Million personal fortune |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 10:58 PM Response to Reply #43 |
57. I say that each of us should make up our own rules. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:30 AM Response to Reply #57 |
73. Me too. Anarchy ftw. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:12 PM Response to Reply #43 |
62. You're just being silly now.. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:31 AM Response to Reply #62 |
74. Dean, Pelosi, Clinton, *and* Obama were for steating them. Now it seems they're all for a do-over. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:45 AM Response to Reply #43 |
78. Oh so untrue. They WERE given a say in this. |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 10:18 PM Response to Original message |
47. Alcee Hastings is involved? And he is a Clinton supporter? |
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HooptieWagon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:14 PM Response to Reply #47 |
63. yes, I remember Alcee Hastings' impeachment, |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:56 PM Response to Reply #63 |
70. He and Bill Nelson sued Dean. |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 10:20 PM Response to Original message |
48. Self-Delete. Dupe. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 10:55 PM Response to Original message |
54. Video..she said FL leaders were "pushed" into the primary vote |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 10:57 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. I would be perfectly fine without a re-do, just count as is. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:00 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. To just count as is would make the nominee questionable. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:32 AM Response to Reply #54 |
75. You don't know how politics work if you don't think the democratic reps weren't coerced into doing.. |
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HooptieWagon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:54 AM Response to Reply #75 |
115. Pretty hard to claim they were coerced |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:48 AM Response to Reply #54 |
79. Clinton lied??? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:19 PM Response to Original message |
64. Here's Dean 's complete response today. |
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tnlefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:28 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. At least I'm glad that he mentioned the states that didn't |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:34 AM Response to Reply #64 |
76. Dean will be fair and allow a revote, almost assuredly. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:50 AM Response to Reply #64 |
81. What the fuck are they doing mocking rules (and thus, accountability)? |
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better tomorrow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:52 AM Response to Reply #81 |
83. they were mocking |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:20 PM Response to Original message |
65. I would hate to be the Dem to court FL/MI Dem voters in October if Dems tell them to eff off now. |
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LVjinx (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:00 AM Response to Reply #65 |
71. Especially with McCain being so popular with independents |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 01:51 AM Response to Reply #65 |
86. That is a "hillary" argument. Do what I say or we will lose. |
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better tomorrow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:43 AM Response to Original message |
77. the meeting has adjourned.... |
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meow mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 01:54 AM Response to Reply #77 |
87. must be a revote! |
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Hoof Hearted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 01:56 AM Response to Original message |
88. Um. Dean isn't in charge of state parties - why would he be invited? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:01 AM Response to Reply #88 |
90. Oh good grief. He does have stuff to say about primaries. |
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Hoof Hearted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:28 AM Response to Reply #90 |
99. I think you misunderstand the structure and the history. Dean is head of the NATIONAL party. The |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:34 AM Response to Reply #99 |
101. I am not very bright, could you explain it all again. |
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Hoof Hearted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:59 AM Response to Reply #101 |
105. How nice of you to spam on behalf of another, it's kinda cute, but |
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HCE SuiGeneris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:19 AM Response to Original message |
95. I appreciate the amount of hard work and dedication to elucidating |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:25 AM Response to Reply #95 |
97. Thank you so much, |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:23 AM Response to Original message |
96. NBC's Chuck Todd last night: "Howard Dean MUST act. If he wants any sort of legacy as DNC chief" |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:26 AM Response to Reply #96 |
98. Todd is used by the insider Dems to send messages. |
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barack the house (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:28 AM Response to Original message |
100. Can't see the local states over rule the DNC really. |
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Hoof Hearted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:34 AM Response to Reply #100 |
102. xpst. I think you misunderstand the structure and the history. Dean is head of the NATIONAL party |
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HCE SuiGeneris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:59 AM Response to Reply #102 |
106. Let me help. A cross-post would be in reply to a different OP. This is a repeat. |
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Andromeda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:58 AM Response to Original message |
104. You do get overwrought over things---when it involves Hillary. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 03:40 PM Response to Reply #104 |
118. Bull hockey |
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ProgressiveEconomist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
117. At stake are net 616,000 popular votes and about net 100 delegates HRC would clain |
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