From Kansas, think about this, seriously.

[fedupwithbush]

I live in Kansas. We went for Obama.

I love the Clintons and hope to see them a lot in the future.

Obama is winning in red states.

I have loved the message and the hope he is giving people. He is giving substance too.

He has more of the popular vote AND is drawing voters that have never voted before. Don't denigrate that point. IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.

The numbers of people coming out to vote and SEE Obama are amazing.

Hillary's campaign has made some huge mistakes, Penn is one of them. I won't go in depth about the others, but experience isn't her forte, against Obama's. He was in a state legislature. She was a first lady. He ran, she didn't. I don't see how she parses that. I don't like when people try to throw sand in my eyes.

I and my husband were ready to vote for McCain in 2000, which would have been the first time I had voted for a Republican for President. Not any more. He's a bush ass kisser in our eyes now.

We can win the blue states but we need an edge in the red. Obama seems to have that. Hillary does not.

Last, I am a life long Democrat. But I'm not a blind-folded voter. Don't ask me in Kansas to NEVER vote for a Republican. Sometimes I don't have a choice and it's always the lesser of two evils on the ballot or leave it blank. Blank means I have no say on a rabid conservative or a political conservative. I'll take the political every time. That's like telling me to not vote, when the vote is between Todd Tihart and the more progressive candidate. Change DOESN'T HAPPEN A LOT WTH ONE VOTE HERE. ITS INCREMENTAL AND TAKES TIME.

If the convention goes to the candidate by super delegates instead of the super delegates following who won the most popular votes total,

I AM STAYING HOME!!!!!!

I have always voted in the presidential votes and most others too.

But I won't stand for a mini 2000 episode in the primaries.

If Hillary can't win most of the popular votes nationwide from her own party, WITHOUT SUPER DELEGATES, and they vote for her instead of the popular vote of the people, because of her past with them or because they are swayed by her campaign, I'm out.

Don't want McCain, won't vote for Hillary if she cheats like happened in 2000. How is her winning the nomination because of super delegates any different than Bush winning in 2000?

I WILL VOTE FOR HER IF SHE COMES OUT WITH MORE POPULAR VOTES BY THE CONVENTION, BUT THAT'S LOOKING LIKE IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

IF SHE USES SUPER DELEGATES TO BE THE NOMINEE, HOW IS SHE ANY BETTER THAN BUSH IN 2000?

AND LAST, SO WHAT IF SHE HAS WON IN BLUE STATES THAT ARE BIG. SHE COULDN'T WIN IN RED STATES.

[Bobbieo]

1. The rate things are going on this forum, we are going to have a repeat of 1968

at the '08 convention.

[goldcanyonaz]

2. There's just as many who will stay at home if she isn't the nominee.

Sucks, doesn't it?

[rcsl1998]

3. How Is Obama Polling vs McCain In The Red States? nt

[democrattotheend]

4. Do you think Obama could carry Kansas?

I would tend to doubt it, but you know the state better than I do. Could he at least make it competitive and force the Republicans to spend money there?

[fedupwithbush]

5. Yes, I think he can.

Hillary can't. Too many hate Bill and her.

But one of the bigger points I was trying to make is if she wins because of super delegates instead of popular vote, why is she any different than Bush winning in 2000?

Side note: I hated Bush BEFORE HE BECAME PRESIDENT. I told my husband "That man will have us in a war within 6 months of office". So I was a little short. But not really. It seems he brought up Iraq almost immediately, so even if he didn't declare war within 6 months of office, he already had it in mind.

I truly think Barack Obama is inspirational (we need that to get out of the mess Bush has made), and we need some new thinking at the top. Including someone who can get past the past 8 years. I can't without help from Washington. I can't even deal with Republicans at all these days. I'm rude and won't even listen to what they have to say. But again I'm from Kansas, and I used to think there were good points and bad about both parties. I still think there's some problems with the Democrats, but the Republicans have lost any time I have to listen to their arguments. Not even going to give them the time of day at this point because of ALL the stuff that's happened the last eight years.

I don't know that that's helpful in life, there has to be give and take. No one wins everything. I WANT COMPROMISE AGAIN. I WANT THE GREATER GOOD AGAIN. BUT I WON'T BE THE ONE WHO INSTIGATES IT IF NO ONE IN MY GOVERNMENT CAN DO IT!

[Guava Jelly]

6. this was interesting

http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/states/KS.html
Barack Obama 27,172 74.0% 15
Hillary Rodham Clinton 9,462 25.8 6
John Edwards 53 0.1 0
Dennis J. Kucinich 35 0.1 0
Uncommitted 8 0.0 0
Bill Richardson 1 0.0 0
100% reporting

Mike Huckabee 11,627 59.6% 36
John McCain 4,587 23.5 0
Ron Paul 2,182 11.2 0
Mitt Romney 653 3.3 0
Uncommitted 84 0.4 0
Fred D. Thompson 61 0.3 0
Rudolph W. Giuliani 34 0.2 0
Others 288 1.5 0

[fedupwithbush]

7. Thank YOU!

As a side note for all you DU'er's, I've been on here since 2001 or so and registered in that time. I saw a sign for this site on C-Span. Post counts don't always mean a lot. They also changed the format at some point and we all went to July 2003? or something. I am a LONG time DU reader, at least twice a day. I'm not a newbie or uninformed person. In fact DU is my 2nd website to read each morning. I get more real news here in 10 minutes than the other 50 minutes of others, including TPM, and all the local newspapers.

[Guava Jelly]

10. High post count only means that you are noisier to me :o)

I'm a freaken big mouth here :)
Nice to meet you.:hi:

[fedupwithbush]

12. Nice to meet you too.

I wish I could meet everyone I talk to here in person. It means a lot to me.

I love the internet, but I still think it makes saying things too easy. If I can't look you in the eye,I have no idea where you are coming from. Words are great, but words in person count for a lot more than words on a screen.

Another website I was a huge fan of, and helped build up financially and reader count, taught me that.

[Konza]

8. I'm in KS too and Obama

will probably not carry Kansas, but it is possible.
While he may not win here in Red state KS, he would make it a competitive race and thus enable us to build our party here. Just my gut tells me KS will go something 53-47 McCain over Obama, but it is still possible he could win KS. He is much more competetive in the purple/red states than Hillary. With Obama on the top of the ticket we will hold our Congressional districts and pick up seats in the state legislature. We might be able to pick up a Congressional seat here with Obama heading the ticket.

With Hillary I can guarantee a 60% McCain win out here in bumbfukistan. Too much baggage, too much history with the Clintons for them even to bother campaigning here in the fall. McCain won't even have to run an ad, just collect his electoral votes. With Hillary at the head of the ticket the best we can hope for a a 271 electoral vote campaign. She might be able to thread the needle, but that's a heck of a challenge. We would have to write off the South and huge chunks of the west. Not impossible, but still not a great way to run a national campaign.

In any event it won't matter much. By the time this process is over we will have savaged ourselves so much in the process it'll be a tragedy.

[NEDem]

9. This is an article from Omaha Nebraska paper from Tuesday

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=2835&u_sid=10274052

Published Tuesday | March 4, 2008
Obama could make contest in Nebraska
BY ROBYNN TYSVER
WORLD-HERALD STAFF WRITER


Ed Haefele is a Republican but not a rock-ribbed soldier of the GOP.

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Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois speaks at a town hall meeting with veterans in San Antonio on Monday.
In 1964 he crossed party lines to vote for Lyndon B. Johnson. It was the last time that Haefele and Nebraska backed a Democratic presidential contender.

Today, Haefele is considering another trek across the partisan divide to support Barack Obama. He says he admires Obama's eloquence and intellect, despite some of the Democrat's "hare-brained" ideas, such as gun control.

"I think if I was in a closed voting booth and if I had a choice between (John) McCain or Obama, I would go with Obama," said Haefele, a retired political science professor from Pennsylvania who has lived in Alliance, Neb., since 1988.

"The man is a phenomenon," Haefele said.

Haefele is the type of Republican that Obama says he could attract in the fall, but is Obama enough of a wunderkind to pull an LBJ in Nebraska? Could he woo enough independents and Republicans like Haefele to pick off electoral votes in a red state like Nebraska?

It's not impossible, said several political observers and even some Republicans.

<more at link above>

[fedupwithbush]

11. I think he could. Why?

We need another like Kennedy. I didnt say Kennedy, I said like him. We need inspiration AND substance. I hope no one ever lives through another President like Bush. He has no intelligence in speaking, and I think even people who think they are not smart, appreciate that quality. Hillary hasn't inspired me like Mr. Obama. I hear her voice and frankly at times it's not inspiring or something I want to listen to. Mr. Obama has a voice that resonates and makes you want to listen. I don't think their thinking on issues is insurmountable. I think their way of saying them is. He is just better at it.

What is the most important thing in communicating? I think it's getting your message across and being heard and listening to the response and responding in a way that makes things happen.

We need to make things happen for the greater good SOON, or we'll all pay, Democrats, Republicans and Independents alike.

[Cha]

16. Precisely..not the repugs who voted

for hilary in the primary in order to give mccain an easier time of it.

[marions ghost]

13. kick

:kick:

[greenbriar]

14. I agree about KS...we have been red for ever but we went HUGE for Obama

There is just something about this that feels different...

[fedupwithbush]

15. Thanks Greenbriar

I've read you and others from Kansas and I'm sure you live close to me. Some of you probably within 15 miles. I live outside Wichita.

I'm hoping I don't have to settle this time. I want to vote because it means something special to me and not because it's my party. I haven't felt that way since Bill in '92.

Hope means something. I'm an optimist, but I haven't felt like one too many times in the last 8 years.

It would be nice for a change.