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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:12 PM Original message |
The ORIGINAL storyline was that Hillary had to win at least 65% in TX AND OH to remain competitive.. |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
1. It keeps them gainfully employed. -eom |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
2. Whose storyline? |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:16 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. No-the FACTUAL storyline. |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #6 |
17. LOL. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:19 PM Response to Reply #6 |
20. Define "factual." And give actual examples. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. Look at the delegate count. Nothing really changed. If she didn't win at least 65% of the |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:36 PM Response to Reply #27 |
54. And YET, the American people decided not to count her out. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:46 PM Response to Reply #54 |
69. Hillary used slimy tactics to move the poll numbers BEFORE the primary, so it should've been no |
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BenDavid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
3. the clinton campaign never said they had to win by that big |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:17 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. Of course the Clinton camp never said that. They set the bar as low as possible. |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #3 |
15. It wasn't either a campaign or the media, it was the math that said that. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:36 PM Response to Reply #15 |
55. But math doesn't vote. People vote. And LOOKEE what they did. |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:40 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. Exactly, look at what happenned. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
4. Don't say she's won in Texas yet. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:17 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. Right. Only the primary. Where are the caucus numbers? |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:19 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. They're still going and probably won't be finished counting for days or more. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:19 PM Response to Reply #13 |
22. Obama:52 - 48. 37% counted. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #22 |
35. 37%? They managed to count another whole percent? |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 04:14 PM Response to Reply #22 |
87. Right now Obama has 56% in the TX caucuses with 39% counted! Doesn't that mean |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. But she has 51%. n/t |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. Obama's leading by four in the caucus. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:22 PM Response to Reply #19 |
29. With 36% counted. At 12% he was leading by ten. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Why haven't they called? |
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mirrera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #19 |
32. Where can I see Texas numbers? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. CNN.com |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #19 |
33. I understand. But again, the media perception is that Hillary won and won shockingly BIG. |
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anamandujano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:28 PM Response to Reply #19 |
42. There were about 200-250 people in my caucus. The idea that |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Where was your caucus? |
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anamandujano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:55 PM Response to Reply #45 |
77. Bexar County, San Antonio |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:30 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. Why? |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:40 PM Response to Reply #46 |
57. "Weighted in Obama's favor." Yep. Sounds fair. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:59 PM Response to Reply #57 |
81. Caucuses are a popular vote too. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 04:17 PM Response to Reply #57 |
88. It was Mark Penn's position weeks ago. n/t |
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mirrera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #57 |
95. Its the Democratic party's position... |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 07:43 PM Response to Reply #57 |
102. Right. |
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anamandujano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:58 PM Response to Reply #46 |
79. She won the Texas primary. So, they will award delegates on the |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 03:00 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. The 2025 "magic number" doesn't matter at all. |
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buff2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #4 |
34. It's already been called |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. Only the primary, the caucus is still being counted, 47 delegates left to seat. |
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buff2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:28 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Hillary will get those |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Obama's up by four. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #41 |
53. Not necessarily. Depends on how the caucuses are distributed. |
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Seen the light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
5. It's not surprising the media wants a long drawn out race |
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Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
7. The DU story line? The Obama supporter story line? |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #7 |
37. The numerical storyline. |
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Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:31 PM Response to Reply #37 |
47. Stories are written by people. The people who created that story were Obama supporters. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:41 PM Response to Reply #47 |
61. The numbers are the numbers. Hillary's no better off today than before the primaries yesterday. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:43 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. EXCEPT for perception. And perception is all. |
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Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:44 PM Original message |
Exactly. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:47 PM Response to Reply #65 |
72. Yeah. The perception that HILLARY wanted to portray. |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
8. Change of script. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:28 PM Response to Reply #8 |
43. Exactly. He was 20 points behind! Now it's an "unexpected BIG win"? |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:42 PM Response to Reply #8 |
64. Weeks ago doesn't count. Today was supposed to end her campaign. |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:46 PM Response to Reply #64 |
70. Weeks ago was so long ago. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:51 PM Response to Reply #64 |
75. Not true. The last 48 hours before the primaries, Hillary regained her lead. And the media saw |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
9. Yeah the Obama campaign's storyline! |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
10. No, honey. The original storyline was Today Hillary Gave Up. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:34 PM Response to Reply #10 |
52. No, honey. The day of the primaries, the media's storyline was she had to win both... |
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CountAllVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
12. the longer they can drag this out the better it is for them |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
16. That was always a bogus spin story line |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:39 PM Response to Reply #16 |
56. I don't think that was spin... |
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bleowheels (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
18. It's "move the bar Wednesday" Don't you know that? |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. Sometimes it moves twice a day. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:43 PM Response to Reply #18 |
66. I knew YESTERDAY, BEFORE the results, that it would be played this way. |
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islandmkl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
23. the MSM can't figure out whether to make hay by bashing the candidate(s) mercilessly... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
24. Clinton media power |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:44 PM Response to Reply #24 |
67. The media that slavers over Obama? Yeah, lotta power there. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:54 PM Response to Reply #67 |
76. I don't know what "slavers" is, but Obama got nothing but negative press two days before the |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
26. That was Sen Obama's storyline |
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mirrera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
28. This is what did in Edwards. He came in second in Iowa and the story was about her. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:47 PM Original message |
I cannot believe you still cling to this lie. |
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mirrera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
97. You are wrong. She is the GOP's only hope. n/t |
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LulaMay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
30. Really? I thought it was that Obama was the new annointed King of Camelot |
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buff2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #30 |
38. Yeah....... |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:27 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. So WHAT pledged delegates is she going to get to switch? |
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LulaMay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #40 |
50. The ones who see that winning crucial states like Ohio and Fl means everything |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:40 PM Response to Reply #50 |
59. And that they learned that one must cheat to win Florida, huh! |
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LulaMay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:57 PM Response to Reply #59 |
78. He ran commercials there, she didn't. Do FL over...she still win it. |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #78 |
84. Thats a lie that he ran commercial there. |
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islandmkl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:42 PM Response to Reply #30 |
63. as compared to the pre-annointed Queen of Camelot II.... |
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LulaMay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:59 PM Response to Reply #63 |
80. I think you are required to check with Ted Kennedy before saying that. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:44 PM Response to Reply #30 |
68. OOPS. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #30 |
90. Did you watch tv the last two days before the primaries? It was all negative for Obama and all good |
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InAbLuEsTaTe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
48. Time to move the Hillary "goalposts" - again! |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:48 PM Response to Reply #48 |
73. Obama lost when he was confidently expected to win. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #73 |
91. "confidently expected to win"? He was down in the polls the day before and the day of the primaries |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 04:27 PM Response to Reply #48 |
92. Yup. And the media goes along with it. Every time. |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
49. Where did that original story line come from? |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:34 PM Response to Original message |
51. At this point Hillary has two choices |
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RevolutionStartsNow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
58. There was a story in today's NYT about CNN's ratings and the primaries... |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:49 PM Response to Reply #58 |
74. Political novice? |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 04:12 PM Response to Reply #58 |
86. Yeah, they DO want to keep it going, but I disagree that Hillary did better than |
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HCE SuiGeneris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
62. MSM loves to see democrats in turmoil. Easier for them to spread their mis-information |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
71. The Clintons moved those goalposts last week. |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
82. "Clinton has to win 65%" was always bogus math. |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. Please show your math. |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 07:16 PM Response to Reply #85 |
101. Since you didn't show your math, I'll show mine |
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rniel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 04:20 PM Response to Original message |
89. Because |
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BringBigDogBack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
93. Correct. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #93 |
98. I hope/think the superdelegates will still flock to him, especially after seeing |
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Alter Ego (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 04:35 PM Response to Original message |
94. The goalposts keep moving. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 04:50 PM Response to Reply #94 |
99. They sure do. n/t |
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DuaneBidoux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
96. She did. Unless the superdelegates go to her it is impossible to win. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 04:52 PM Response to Reply #96 |
100. Yup. And I don't see that happening. |
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