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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:53 PM
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Al From, DLC founder, says "drawn-out, negative campaign could actually prove useful"
I agree with him that dirty politics work. They always have worked. People often don't bother to be informed, and they fall for fear tactics and smears that are not true.

But I disagree it is going to prove useful this time. People are just too angry to handle it. After eight years of the Bush administration, there is very little tolerance for hate tactics and ugliness.

Here is what the illustrious Al From said recently.

And he said a drawn-out, negative campaign could actually prove useful.

"I'd much rather have a Democratic candidate who's had to figure out how to handle some fairly tough shots in the primary than one who gets knocked to the floor by the Republicans and doesn't quite know how to respond," From said.


That is not the issue of what is going on now. It is disingenuous of him to present it that way. Hillary's "celestial choirs" and "skies opening" were not about being tough. They were about being just plain nasty.

Her statement that McCain is superior to Obama were not attacks, they were supportive of the Republican candidate.

Here is more from the article:

Going negative proved positive in Clinton's comeback

In winning New Hampshire a few weeks ago, Hillary Rodham Clinton declared, "I found my own voice." But it was a much different voice in the closing days before Tuesday's voting that carried her to victory in Ohio and Texas -- and which now lets her make a strong case for extending the Democratic presidential race into the spring and possibly beyond.

Gone was the misty-eyed Clinton who scored points showing her human side. Gone was the gracious Clinton who, just two weeks ago, drew thunderous applause for expressing her pride in running against Barack Obama.

The new voice was angrier, sharper and far more negative toward Obama -- a voice that at one point bellowed at her rival, "Shame on you," as she pushed back against what she said was an unfair attack.


There appears to be little hope now that any one voice in the party can stop her and the negative campaigning. The media is also again jumping on the bandwagon for Florida delegates. Her husband is the former president who has already used the race card against Obama. If they decide to run a scorched earth campaign, I doubt anyone can stop them.

Before Clinton's victories on Tuesday, some Democrats had hoped that an ad hoc "Supreme Court" of party elders such as former Vice President Al Gore, former President Carter, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi or even onetime rivals such as Richardson or former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina might step in to persuade Clinton to step aside for the sake of party unity.

But Al From, who as founder of the centrist Democratic Leadership Council has a long association with Clinton and her husband, the former president, said Tuesday that such a scenario was unlikely.


Al held a press conference in 2003 to declare that Howard Dean would not be the one to be president. Guess what. Al was right. He called Dean's supporters fringe.

Here is a quote from that 2003 press conference. They did not use the word cult about Dean and his supporters....they used the word "elitist". Fringe, elitist, now cult.

That is how the insiders keep the outsiders out. Language.

The DLC announced that we could beat Bush, but that Dean would not be the one to do it.

The 'D' in DLC Doesn't Stand for Dean (David Von Drehle, May 15, 2003, Washington Post)

More than 50 centrist Democrats, including Virginia Gov. Mark R. Warner, met here yesterday to plot strategy for the "New Democrat" movement. To help get the ball rolling they read a memo by Al From and Bruce Reed, the chairman and president of the Democratic Leadership Council. The memo dismissed Dean as an elitist liberal from the "McGovern-Mondale wing" of the party -- "the wing that lost 49 states in two elections, and transformed Democrats from a strong national party into a much weaker regional one."

"It is a shame that the DLC is trying to divide the party along these lines," said Dean spokesman Joe Trippi. "Governor Dean's record as a centrist on health care and balancing the budget speaks for itself."

As founder of the DLC, From has been pushing the Democratic Party to the right for nearly 20 years. He was in tall cotton, philosophically speaking, when an early leader of the DLC, Bill Clinton, was elected president in 1992. As Clinton's domestic policy guru, Reed pushed New Democrat ideas -- such as welfare reform -- that were often unpopular with party liberals.

"We are increasingly confident that President Bush can be beaten next year, but Dean is not the man to do it," Reed and From wrote. "Most Democrats aren't elitists who think they know better than everyone else."


Yes, attacks work. Calling people names works. Invoking "celestial choirs" with dripping sarcarm works. It all works.

It assures though that we do not get the best people elected to serve us. It is distressful to see Al From agreeing with negative attacks, and equally distasteful to see them being used by the former first couple.

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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:55 PM
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1. What else do you expect from the dlc
After all it is the Democratic wing of the republican party.
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:56 PM
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2. I like to call it the Jerry Springer effect. n/t
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:57 PM
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3. Well, that's From for you. He's been trying to kill our party from Day 1. -eom
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:58 PM
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4. Dirty Politics work...for the status quo, but not the people...
all it does is serve to confuse and demoralize the people. This is exactly what the entrenched powers want.

People can't decide who to vote for clearly with sand kicked in their eyes.

Mass confusion and demoralization on the left is NOT what we need.

Al From is wrong.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:16 PM
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34. His way is the old way that destroys hope for change.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:59 PM
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5. DLC -- Democratic Lite Coalition
Sorry, he's part of the problem.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:13 PM
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25. I wouldn't give them too much credit
It took them, corporate media, republican shills and hate radio in all out combined effort to even eek out this statistical victory. The winning teams often see others making scoreboard during the game. The winner often learns how much more deep they need to dig in from that in the process. To make all that progress with all those things fighting you says a lot for Obama
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:12 PM
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6. Al From is still the decider.
After all these years.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:19 PM
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7. Howard Dean says if race goes to convention...no time left to heal.
No time left to heal

BLITZER: Explain why you're concerned if this were -- were to go to the convention floor. Why would that be a bad thing?

DEAN: Well, if you go to the convention floor with eight weeks to go -- I've been to those kinds of conventions before. We had one in '68, but I didn't go to that one. But that was the most outrageous.

In '72, there was a big fight over seating delegates. In 1980, there was a division between Senator Kennedy and President Carter. Divided conventions were people walk out and there's a lot of to do, it takes time to heal. And this convention is very late because of the public finance rules.


I am not sure the healing will happen. Too many of us still have scars from the last primary.

Power and money control this country, I fear.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:24 PM
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8. Only way to heal is a Clinton/Obama ticket.
There are too many voters on both sides who would feel disenfranchised. :shrug:

I wish we hadn't been forced into this...but it's what it is...

I wish Al Gore would come riding out of the sky with John Edwards by his side to help us out. But, we've got two candidates with supporters who've made great effort to get out and vote for them. Dean's going to have to come up with a compromise...or let it go to convention where there's a vote by the Delegates and Super Delegates. Hillary has won the big states and that's very important. If she doesn't win PA...then things could change..but so far she's polling well there. And, there are legitimate concerns about Obama's lack of experience and fast ride through the political scene.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:26 PM
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9. No..no that is not ok anymore. Maybe at one time.
I have seen a side of her I did not know was there.

But then who cares what I think?
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:29 PM
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12. i saw pieces before. i was hoping i was wrong. i pretended i was wrong
but i saw it here and there. she is clear as ever.... she is not hiding it anymore. she has declared who she is.

i can/t/won/t support it either. would be just like supporting bush.

not policy necessarily, or maybe so, .... regardless, character.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:42 PM
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14. She's been better answering questions and proposing solutions on the
Edited on Wed Mar-05-08 01:45 PM by KoKo01
Campaign trail than I ever expected, though. Compared to Obama's vagueness she puts her proposals out there in detail and they make sense. She could be lying...but what would be the point?

I think there is a "confidence" to her that comes across as arrogance. But, then what politician that makes it to her level isn't arrogant? I felt John Kerry was cold and arrogant that he didn't really see the "little people." I worked for him and voted for him...and there are DU'ers who would bite my head off for what I just said about Kerry because they see him as decent, down to earth and a champion of "little people." So...how can we really know what any of them are about?

I don't think money is what drives Hillary...and I do think she wants to make changes to redeem what went wrong in the Clinton years. But, she also could be a liar and Poppy, Babs, Laura and Chimp will be regular guests in the Lincoln Bedroom along with lobbyists and Saudi Arabian Princes in her administration. Would VP Obama keep her on the "good path?"

But...what can we do? We have these two candidates. I don't know that Obama wouldn't have some of the same folks hanging around the White House if you look at who he hung around with in Chicago. And, Michelle certainly has profited from Obama's rise with that 300,000 salary at Chicago Board of Hospitals and her Wallmart seat.

Who can say.... All is so corrupt. :shrug:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:46 PM
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16. As I said, I never used to feel that way. The "celestial choirs"
and the praise of McCain did it.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:55 PM
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19. I've heard that DU'ers were upset with that...but I watched both comments and
didn't think that she praised McCain and "wanted to be his VP" as some DU trolls state it. And, I thought the "Celestial Choirs" was funny....because I was getting pretty sick of the "Hope...Hope...Change...Change" and thought Obama was getting a big head about it all. Some of the videos produced in his name were starting to get kind of OTT with the Rock Star thingy, in my mind, too. It just didn't seem dignified. So, I thought Hillary was kind of poking fun at that. :shrug:

Whatever...we can all see things differently, I guess.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:10 PM
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24. That "celestial choirs" was mocking. It was ugly.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:19 PM
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46. You were getting pretty sick of hope and change? n/t
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 04:47 PM
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28. We are always on the same side, madfloridian ..
It makes me feel better.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:47 AM
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30. That was nice.
I am usually on the opposite side to Al From. :evilgrin:

He still apparently has power.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:16 PM
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49. and That power is un-deserved.
He has never done anything except denigrate & belittle anyone who does not kiss the hem of his robe.

The man disgusts me. I cannot stand to hear him speak.
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:27 PM
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11. After Hillary called Obama supporters "delusional" and mocked them?**nm
Edited on Wed Mar-05-08 01:28 PM by misanthrope
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:34 PM
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13. It was political rhetoric.... Obama will do the same in the coming weeks.
I don't think either will take it personally. Neither of them were my candidate...but if I have to hold my nose and vote...it would be for both of them on the ticket to go against the Repugs rather than either of them alone.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:45 PM
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15. Actually, there is no tolerance left for this crap anymore.
Too much of it from the Bushes for 8 years.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:50 PM
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17. I don't think the average folks out there see things the way we
here would see it. We've been living through this Bush/Cheney hell and watching every single detail unfold of their lies, treachery and shredding of the Constitution. Is wasn't until the economy started to tank that folks started seriously looking at what their lives have become under these criminals.

Most folks don't have time to think about what we've done in Iraq and the unjustness and crimes against humanity. But, it's the Economy and the price of Oil that's got them focused. They are used to Fox News and Limbaugh and think that's what politics is about and how you win. They think that Bush won two elections.. They aren't going to care about Dem Party Fights like we do, here....:shrug:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:09 PM
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23. Hillary is betting on it.
That no one notices.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:18 PM
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45. NO Clinton- she shouldn't be rewarded for being an asshole

I plain and simple do not want her to be the nominee. And why on earth should she be the prez nom and Obama the v/p when he leads in the pop. vote, the states vote, the delegates votes?

Get hillary out of there. plain and simple. rather than continue to create problems, she should drop out of the race and put her support behind the candidate... not that her support means anything after she trashed him vis a vis McCain.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:36 AM
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61. why in the heck should it be Clinton/Obama when Obama is ahead? n/t
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:00 PM
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37. No Longer A 50 State Strategy
It is now the 48 state strategy. Must be nice to feel so confident that Obama will win the GE that the DNC is willing to concede FL and MI to the Republicans.

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psychmommy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:07 PM
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44. oh here we go again.
talk to your state party leaders about it. they agreed and now they want to blame everybody else. vote those fools out. they were voted in by fl & mi voters to speak on their behalf. they messed up. you may not like what they did but they did it in the name of their constituents. if you don't want them speaking for you vote them out. try to make a difference like madfloridian. stop blaming everybody else and place the blame where it lies. state party officials. do i hear a recall?
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:20 PM
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47. The Dean deceit as we know it now
Florida Democrats didn't break the rules.
Dean appeared on Good Morning America and, by omission of the facts, flat out lied.

Charlie Crist, the Republican Governor of Florida, and the Republican Legislature of Florida effectively told Dean that Republicans were not bound by the rules of the Democratic Party so the Republicans changed the primary date over the protest of Florida Democrats.

Dean then punished the Democrats for what Republicans did.

The Florida Democrats then rose up AGAINST DEAN by putting all the candidates names on the ballot and marched to the polls in record numbers.

Dean then disenfranchised voters in his own Party in order to -- what? Teach Republicans a lesson????

Florida Democrats did not break any rules.

WHY can't anyone understand that?

WHY haven't the Democrats of other states stood up in defense of the Florida vote?


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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:24 PM
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52. boy are you in the wrong place to spread
the 'It all Dean's fault' whine. You, quite obviously, have never read madfloridian's journal entries on this story. If you had read them, you would not be posting that fantasy scenario.



I fear my tolerance level for willful ignorance has hit bottom.
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 08:15 PM
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59. What Dean isn't saying is this
Florida democrats had no choice in the timing of the primary. Their hands were forced by republicans.

Further, on the election day, a very important initiative was on the ballot, so democrats had to show up.

The rules stipulated stripping the violator states of half their delegates (like GOP, any controversy there?), but DNC's Rules and By-laws Committee, due to strong argument by yes, you-guessed-it Donna Brazille chose to strip Florida of all its delegates, and also to ban campaigning and spending money there to boot.

DNC has managed to screw up a one horse race. Now, Dean is adding to it.

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psychmommy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 08:39 AM
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67. no the dems were complicit.
all the noise you guys are making now you could have made when this was going on. the repubs rule is to take away some delegates, the dems rule was to take away all. to ensure that states wouldn't leapfrog. you guys did and now you pay. your reps knew what they were doing. and you guys have to pay. vote the bums out and clean house. stop blaming the dnc for your state party problems.
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psychmommy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 08:32 AM
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64. this didn't happen in a vacuum
all of you voter's knew this was going on. were you contacting your reps? were you guys putting up any type of resistance? No. not only that your dems were complicit. they were not victims, they were cohorts. don't holler at dean now when months ago you should have been hollering at your reps.
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:26 PM
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10. Rush and Rove agree. It helps them tremendously**nm
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:52 PM
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18. Limbaugh is summoning his minions forth to make it so.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:02 PM
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20. Do you think Limbaugh and Coulter and the rest have the impact they once had?
I would think that it's wearing off these days given what's going on in our Economy and the effect on everyone's lives?
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:06 PM
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21. I think the wingnuts have the ability to rally their troops.
Limbaugh was very specific in wanting the wingnuts to intervene in this race to keep it going so that Hillary can bloody up Barack for the GOP. Those are his precise words. And, yes, I do think the wingnuts are always up for screwing with Democrats, and Hillary is more than pleased to play along and accept the assistance. I feel the same way about that as I do about Nader accepting assistance from the GOP. This furthers the "anything goes in politics" theme most of us want to move away from.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:08 PM
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22. well, look at Texas
100k voters made the difference; that could easily be the RW effect
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:40 PM
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32. Very true.
:(
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:52 PM
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26. Al From claims Obama as the DLC's own....says DLC policies will continue.
Now I realize Obama is not exactly far left, neither was another guy I supported named Dean....but this is Al From trying to make himself relevant.

If Barack Obama prevails over Hillary Clinton to become his party’s nominee, it will mark the end of an era for the Clintons. But the agenda of the group that devised their national political identity will be just fine. At least according to Al From, the founder and CEO of the resolutely centrist—Clintonian, even—Democratic Leadership Council.

“What he has done is he has certainly taken a good part of the strategy we have articulated over the years,” Mr. From said. “Which is to not polarize, but try to unite and build a coalition that understands that a Democratic victory is a coalition.”

Mr. From said Mr. Obama had an intellectual, and not just tactical, connection to the D.L.C.

“I mean his chief economist, Austan Goolsbee, is a fellow at the Progressive Policy Institute, which is our think tank,” he said.

Mr. Obama is not the most obvious candidate to be the group’s standard-bearer. Mrs. Clinton has more history with the Council, which enjoyed its high-point in influence and profile when she and her husband were in the White House. And while Mr. Obama has presented himself as a great unifier, Mr. From has, for all of his third-way ideas about cross-aisle cooperation, proven himself a vicious party in-fighter, fairly reveling in the opprobrium of left-leaning bloggers and progressive think-tanks. Mr. From said that he would not be so presumptuous as to call Mr. Obama the purest D.L.C. politician out there.


http://www.observer.com/2008/barack-obama-d-l-c-clintonite
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:31 PM
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53. from is so full of shit. I recall that the dlc, at one
time, identified Obama as a dlc member. Obama strongly 'denounced and rejected' that and very publicly told the dlc to take his name off their website.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 04:46 PM
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27. This is what Al From said about party activists right after the Nov. 06 win
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1227

"There's a perception in some media and political circles that Democratic White House wannabes, like their Republican counterparts, must systematically bend the knee to ideologically inflexible and noisy party activists to have any prayer of nomination or election. They should pay attention to what happened in Connecticut on Nov. 7, where even in a strongly anti-war blue state, voters rejected a high-profile effort to exclude Joe Lieberman from the Democratic Party. The reality is that, unlike the Republicans who are a much more homogenous party, Democrats can only win with a broad coalition. An expanded party base depends on a spirit of inclusiveness; certainly the House Democratic caucus is more ideologically diverse than it was before Election Day. To remain in the majority, it will need to stay that way."

He even spun it that Joe won....forgot to say he had to become an indy to win.
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 04:50 PM
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29. EXACTLY, they will only be fooled for a short while Barack must debunk firmly and sty positive.
Edited on Wed Mar-05-08 04:51 PM by barack the house
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 01:08 PM
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31. He's getting his wish.
:shrug:
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 02:41 PM
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33. Homie needs a smack upside the head
x(
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:19 PM
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35. "Inconvenient truths about the New Democrats, the Third Way, Democratic Leadership Council, etc"
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 07:16 PM
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68. .
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 03:20 PM
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36. if Obama can beat Hillary, he can beat anybody
if Hillary can beat Obama, it doesn't prove as much - because Obama isn't running a fear and smear campaign.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:02 PM
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38. For his agenda.
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ObamaNotClinton Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:04 PM
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39. Clinton in November?
Are you a current Obama supporter who (for any reason) will not vote for Hillary Clinton in the general election if she gets the Democratic nomination for President?
Then please take a moment to sign this petition:
http://www.petitiononline.com/obama725/petition.html
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:32 PM
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42. Regardless of whom I support in the primaries, I support the Democratic nominee.
McCain or some third party candidate are a disaster, imho.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:17 PM
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40. Extending the campaign *will* be useful ...
... from the DLC's perspective. The more the DLC can smear Obama, the more likely that either Hillary will be anointed the nominee or Obama will lose in the general election, both successes from the standpoint of the DLC.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:30 PM
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41. "very little tolerance for hate tactics and ugliness."
You apparently learned nothing from 2004.

That's kind of sad, since this is probably going to be the ugliest campaign the Republicans have ever run in our lifetimes -if not living memory.

If Obama's the nominee -and he doesn't fight back just as nasty, he's going to lose by a margin grater than anything we've seen since 1984.

People vote for fighter who play to win (and sometimes, that means ugly). They vote for kumbaya and playing nice. I don't like it any better than you do -but that's the way it is.
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 04:53 PM
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43. Maybe we can re-name all these DLC types ................
.......... Neodemocrats, kinda has a nice ring to it. It's like neoconservative, neonazi etc.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 05:25 PM
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48. Thank you. Is there a way to track your posts and get pinged ?
Edited on Sat Mar-08-08 05:25 PM by Catherina
I really like your posts. I'm too late to recommende but thanks.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:18 PM
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50. I don't think there is a way.
I put a lot of them in my journal...if you look at the red button in my post that says Journal Updated.

I appreciate that a lot.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 12:29 AM
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60. Thank you. That helps alot n/t
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:18 PM
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51. Hillary's "celestial choirs" and "skies opening" were BRILLIANT.
The idea that Republicans are just going to fall over and accept Obama and everything he proposes is about as likely as celestial choirs singing and skies opening.

Thank you Hillary, for a great dose of reality.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:21 PM
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58. Uh. she was talking about Democrats being part of a cult.
Just wanted to remind you. She did not use the word...but that was her intent.

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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:49 PM
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54. Aah The Vichy Dems Raise Their Heads Again
Remind me how many races their 'expert" advice has cost us.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:50 PM
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55. I dub this the "Boy Named Sue" strategy.
boneheaded to the max.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 06:50 PM
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56. The DLC is fighting for their lives and they know it.
If Obama wins they become irrelevant--and they fear losing their grip on Dean and the Democrats more than anything.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:13 PM
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57. Al From
:puke:

No cred.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 05:29 AM
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62.  Polls now show McCain taking lead over both Clinton, Obama
you really think these distractions and nastiness doing the party any good. Party insiders must be into petty ankle biting and wasting campaign cash , while the Republican National Committee is hording treasure , while Hillary bleeds her contributors dry.
One thing for sure. While the DNC tries to keep Michigan and FLorida unseated, you can bet McCain will be campaigning in those two states.
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 05:59 AM
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63. DLC delende est. nt
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youknowmenotdlc Donating Member (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 08:33 AM
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65. Al From is a strategic genius
not
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 08:35 AM
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66. I Really Wish Hillary Would Separate Herself From These People
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:28 PM
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70. Clinton IS "those people" . . .
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:27 PM
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69. If it's DLC advice . . . I'd presume just the OPPOSITE --- !!!!
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