OK. It's time for Richardson and Edwards and Biden, etc.

[rateyes]

to get together and make a unified endorsement of one or the other.

Right now, my opinion of both Obama and Clinton is summarized by the phrase "a pox on both their houses." All the negativity and dirt throwing makes me want to throw up every time I see either one of them.

Back when we had 9 candidates, I posted that we might very well choose a nominee that the majority of Democrats do not like because those with the most experience--and best candidates---diluted the vote. And, that's happening. Regardless of which of these two get the nomination, the majority of Democrats would rather have seen someone else.

Think about it. Biden would have cleaned McCain's clock in the GE. Same is true for Dodd & Richardson. (BTW, I liked Kucinich, but believe he could not win the GE). Same is true, IMO, for Edwards...though Biden, Dodd, and Richardson all have better resumes than Edwards, Obama, or Clinton.

We Democrats have a way of shooting ourselves in the foot when we nominate our candidate for the GE. (Hell, if it wasn't for Ross Perot, Bill Clinton never would have been elected...he won with a plurality, not a majority of the popular vote---both times.


The powers that be better, and soon, start pressuring the candidates to cut a deal and come together around a consensus candidate, or the next President will be named McCain. :puke: Too many people have been bruised in this fight to think that the other candidates' supporters will show up to vote for their candidate in the GE should their candidate be nominated in a bloody fight at the convention. And, it looks more and more like that's going to happen.

[k8conant]

1. Gore / Obama ????

I could live with that.

[rateyes]

5. I could, too...

but, could Hillary's supporters? We need their votes.

[Horse with no Name]

2. Thanks but no thanks

I would like John Edwards to stay out of it.

[rateyes]

4. The party better start figuring out a way to heal itself.

We are headed off a cliff.

[Horse with no Name]

8. Let the voters decide

Let it go to the Convention.
The problem that I am seeing is that Obama has lost his momentum and there are those that don't think he will get it back.
That's why they are all "concerned" NOW about healing the party.
I say let it go...there are still people out there who haven't had a voice in the process--let them speak.
Sit back, relax.
You want to heal the party?
Then denounce attacks on either candidate.
Start in our own back yard.

[rateyes]

21. I think I just did that.

[Horse with no Name]

23. Oh, Pennsylvania voted too?

I must have slept through it.

[rateyes]

24. I'm talking about condemning both sides for the negative attacks.

A pox on both their houses.

[bpeale]

36. bringing up a candidate's past actions is NOT a negative attack

and this is information the voters need to have to make an informed decision. let the voters sort it out. voters are smarter than you give them credit for. this can't we all play nice crap is for the birds. i want them both to explain themselves. and if they get in a snit & walk away from explaining themselves, i want to know it.

[hfojvt]

25. I denounced endorsements from the beginning

when Hillary seemed to be the only candidate who had them. Her website press releases seemed to only be about endorsements, she rarely talked about issues. Her argument was not "vote for me because I will do this and that" it was "vote for me, like Maya Angelou, Wesley Clark, and Tammy Baldwin are". Worse yet, the Clark endorsement was based on a "war on terror" point of view.

At least with an Edwards endorsement it would not be saying "follow Edwards" but it would make a statement to the people who care about poverty and the working class - this is the candidate who supports these issues. If he had endorsed after Wisconsin, Hillary would have had a harder time pretending to be the working class candidate, or alternatively she might have won big enough to possibly regain the nomination.

I am not sure why he is still wavering on the sidelines instead of leading.

[Greylyn58]

12. Absolutely, stay out of it

I love the fact that he has not endorsed anyone.

[John Q. Citizen]

18. John Edwards will get in it. He see what's going down. The party. And McCain is going up.

Edwards was hoping he could stay out of it.

But since Hill managed to squeak the popular vote out in TX, and won Ohio by a very respectable 10% (after falling some 15% to 20% in the polls in the previous three weeks in TX and cutting her lead in half in Ohio) he's going to have to do the right thing for the party.

Do you think Edwards wants to have 5 months of Democratic money financed ads with photo shopped darkened skin, Hillary dragging down Obama as she drives up her own negatives, and the have 8 weeks to try to pretend it didn't happen until Nov?

Months of lawsuits over FL/MI, Super Delegate blasting super delegate over the airways and the newspapers, DU and every other forum on the nets with Dems accusing each other of sexism, racism, stupidity, and treason? And the right winger trolls and pundits agreeing with the Dems? Because you know how it gets. Right?

I don't see Edwards thinking this is the way to cut poverty rates. Or to win.

Do you?

Hillary appeared to have bottomed out her decent in these states (TX<OH) but it required some heavy handed sliming, it required darkened photo-shopped skin, a bogus flap involving Canadian big media, a 9/11 fear style national security scare ad, it took the kitchen sink. Do you want Dems throwing kitchen sinks at each other for 5 months and the Repos piling on too?

I doubt Edwards does.

Though I wouldn't be surprised if he does whatever he does from behind the scenes as much as possible.

[Horse with no Name]

22. Are you SO arrogant that you think IF JRE DID endorse

that he would endorse Obama?
The stuff you speak of has been debunked...but you and many of your other compadres, refuse to acknowledge the truth as you have so many times before. If it paints obama in a bad light and you perceive that the Clinton camp did it...it doesn't matter WHAT the source is...Drudge, politico, etc...you are willing to believe and accept it without ANY independent research. Even when someone else does the legwork for you, you refuse to believe it anyway.
It is SO easy to let your candidate be the victim that your coddling of him actually makes him look like a fucking weakling.

[John Q. Citizen]

26. I'm arrogant enough that I know Edwards can count delegates. And I'm sure that Edwards is smart

enough to realize that Clinton has only the low road strewn with kitchen sinks to the nomination.

That's clear to everyone.

[Horse with no Name]

27. Luckily for us, John Edwards is smarter than you are

Edwards plans on keeping his delegates until the convention...no matter what freaky scenario you have worked out for him.

[John Q. Citizen]

30. You and I have no idea what Edwards will do with his delegates. But he isn't going to stand idly by

and watch the Dems go to war over Hill's dangerous dream.

You can count on that.

[Horse with no Name]

31. Who says he is "standing idly by"

If you think Edwards has so much power...then why the fuck didn't you SUPPORT him to be on the ticket?
Now that you think he can do something for your guy...you give him credit.
Nope. No sale.
Edwards has clout with his delegates and he is taking them to the convention...whether you like it or not.

[John Q. Citizen]

33. I was leaning Edwards when he dropped out. It was only about a week from when Kucinich quit until

Edwards quit.

I'm glad you know Edwards personally or can read his mind, but I'm not so arrogant as to claim that.

I just know he's not going stand on the side lines while Clinton wages a scorched earth war for 5 months.

[Horse with no Name]

34. I don't know him

But there are sources to find out what he is thinking...and as of a few days ago, I read that he was holding on to his delegates.

[bpeale]

35. I also would like John Edwards to stay out of it

no endorsement. no support for either candidate until the convention. even then, i would like him to stay out of it. we Edwards supporters can make up our own minds, thank you very much.

[Muttocracy]

3. I would vote for a do-over. We have 8 months to choose a nom who can beat McCain. nt

[rateyes]

6. Yeah. But, we better do it in a way that everyone else

can live with the candidate. I'm at the point that if I don't think the process is a fair one come Denver...I might just stay home in November.

[Muttocracy]

9. you're right, though I don't consider the process so far "fair" exactly! :)

[Blue_In_AK]

20. I'm all for that.

I think we need a compromise candidate. Both Hillary and Obama are entirely too divisive within the party at this point.

[pbca]

7. One of the reasons I like Obama

Is because of this

"We Democrats have a way of shooting ourselves in the foot when we nominate our candidate for the GE. (Hell, if it wasn't for Ross Perot, Bill Clinton never would have been elected...he won with a plurality, not a majority of the popular vote---both times."

Obama expands the party - he mobilizes black, urban and youth voters - some of whom have never voted, some of whom have stayed home for years and brings them on board.

If Hillary gets the nod most of those people go back home and McCain, more than likely, wins the WH

[JulieUnplugged]

11. I'm a Republican for Obama

and new here. In Cincinnati, we went 61% Obama and a large number of these are converted R's. We aren't Hillary fans or democrats. We're Obama supporters. I don't see Hillary drawing these converted R's in November.

[Horse with no Name]

13. I don't see obama keeping them either

republicans are good little sheep...they might venture out of the flock but when they are called back...they go to the herd.
You said yourself they are NOT Democrats (I also noticed you were disrespectful and didn't capitalize the "D").

[JulieUnplugged]

15. Typo

"Democrat" - I think you underestimate the power of a changed style of politics and the level of disgust some of us feel for Bush.

[Horse with no Name]

17. I don't think I underestimate it at all. I think you oversimplify. n/t

[durrrty libby]

10. No Thanks.

[Eurobabe]

14. I miss Joe n/t

[goldcanyonaz]

16. No thanks.

[NashVegas]

19. Edwards Has Delegates to Bargain With

I expect him to hold them through the convention.

[ozone_man]

28. That's right!

We forget about those 26 delegates. Maybe Obama should offer him VP slot in exchange for those and a solid endorsement.

Otherwise, if we have a deadlocked convention, I think a Gore/Edwards ticket would be nice. ;)

[aquarius dawning]

29. Endorsing either candidate at this point would be unpopular with about 50% of all Democrats

this much is clear. They need to stay out of it until Denver and let this fight continue as is.

[IndianaJones]

32. I'd hate to get an Edwards endorsement before NC primary. nt.