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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:25 PM
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Poll question: Clinton won by "PLAYING VICTIM" while "MESSING-UP" Obama. How should he respond??
A CNN reporter said he had direct info from inside the Clinton camp that the plan to WIN was to "MESS-UP" Obama so badly, he is too damaged to be acceptable at the convention.

Clinton outrage "shame on you", claims of media bias, and feigned admiration, is all part of th game to insulate her from backlash from a nasty campaign to discredit Obama to the core.

This is a powerfull campaign strategy that almost always works.

The Obama "high road" of big rallys with cute defensive parries and "vision ads" did not work for masses in Ohio or Texas and cost a fortune.

Obama has to decide whether to:
1. Negotiate with the Clintons to quietly concede to save his viability for a future run (or V.P. Slot).
2. Go all out to EXPOSE the condesending fraudulence of her tactics and tie that to a deeply compromised and perverted character.

Decision time in Obama camp.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:26 PM
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1. Without her "experience" lie, she is nothing. All he has to do is tell the truth.
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:32 PM
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17. Hell hath no fury ... He has to go for the kill
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:27 PM
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2. He should drop out for the good of the party.
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CitizenRob Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:43 PM
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6. He's ahead in the delgate count.
I'm so tired of you Hillary supporters twisting words, replaying what Obama supporters have said as though the facts have suddenly changed. The fact is, Obama is ahead in the delegate count. He has no reason to drop out, and it is in fact a reasonable request for Obama supporters to ask Hillary to bow out. Hillary on the other hand is behind in the delegate count. Making a similar call is in no way reasonable.

If you want to call Obama supporters Obamatons, go for it, but don't expect them to turn out to vote for Hillary come November. You've made it clear through your negative bashing that you don't want their vote, don't be surprised when Obama supporters take you up on it.
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:47 PM
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7. This ends in PA. Obama will be forced to drop out.
I think that all Democrats should support HIllary, and you are certainly welcome on the good side.

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jzodda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:51 PM
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12. You think he will drop out after PA even when he will have more delagates if she wins?
like thats gonna happen? Who drops out of something when their ahead?
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:03 PM
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13. I think that the delegate race will be very close, but Hillary will have the popular vote
and the majority of supers at that point..... and the party bigs will put pressure on Obama to end his quixotic quest.
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:19 PM
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22. Which state will give her that big bag of votes? PA?
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 03:36 PM
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19. and soon, if he won't go out to defeat Hill
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:29 PM
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3. It's time to remind everyone how "Bill" will definitely be a part of this
package, especially if it ends up with the superdelegates....
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k8conant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:30 PM
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4. Other = 3. SHOW the truth and beat her anyway
We don't have to descend to her level.
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 05:56 PM
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20. Unfortunately, exposing the TRUTH about Hillary will look very negative and dirty
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:35 PM
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5. As long as he doesn't accuse her of being a Muslim terrorist, he's still on the high road
At least compared to Hillary.
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goletian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:48 PM
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9. would hillary even be in if it wasnt for her husbands name?
i have a feeling she wouldve been out long ago.
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:47 PM
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8. Present
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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:49 PM
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10. If he wants to win he's got to Play rough and go for the Knock out
Edited on Wed Mar-05-08 12:50 PM by Geek_Girl
The Clinton's are playing rough and tumble politics and Obama's been playing patty cakes. If he can't get more rough then he needs to drop out.

Ohio and Texas were in his grasp and he blew it.
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:23 PM
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23. It seems almost as if Obama is at a destroy or be destroyed juncture
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jzodda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 12:50 PM
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11. Time to go negative like she does
Whitewater, Rose law firm and her convicted felon friends from Arkansas, bring it all at her like a Tank.
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marlakay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:09 PM
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14. I was surprised last night when my sweet daughter
at home raising a 2 yr old and baby said to me Obama needs to fight back and tell the world all the bad stuff about Hillary. I told it will be hard because when you run on "i am a good guy i don't do that" if you jump into the ring the first thing you hear is i thought you said you were above this??

But I agree with her, if its down to the end and if negative shit is what works with americans (shame on you americans!) then go to the mattresses Obama!!!!!!!
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:22 PM
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15. Unfortunately, hillary base is WWW-Raw crowd
Not sure history has give Obama an choice but to go at her hard
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:24 PM
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16. ya kerry was the good guy and the republicans said na na na you cant say anything back
remember .... you are the good guy.

the really sad

how much hillary is playng bishco/rove
and obama kerry.

with this issue
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lisainmilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:28 PM
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18. It is a little late, but he should go forth and expose all he knows about Hillary
Where are her income tax reports?

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CAFFERTY: There's a lot of information that voters still don't have about Hillary Clinton, including the White House records from when she was first lady and her tax returns. When asked at this week's debate, a couple of days ago, about those White House records, Clinton said she would absolutely release the documents to show the public what she did and who she met with over the course of those eight years. She said she's, quote, "urged the process be as quick as possible," unquote.

Well, the Bush administration now says it's actually the Clintons who are holding up the release of these records. They say the former President Bill Clinton's representative has not made any move yet to release over 11,000 pages of records. The Clinton campaign says it made two -- may take two more weeks for that representative to decide what to release and then to request the actual release of the documents from the White House. That's convenient. That would be after next Tuesday's primaries in both Texas and Ohio.

As for the tax returns, Hillary Clinton also said at the debate that she would release them once she becomes the nominee or, quote, "even earlier," unquote, but her campaign seems to be backing away from that statement now, suggesting that Clinton won't release the financial information until tax time in April. When Clinton loaned her own campaign $5 million, Barack Obama suggested she should follow his lead, release her tax returns, so the public could see where the money came from.

Here's the question: How important is it for Hillary Clinton to release her tax returns and White House records now? Go to CNN.com/CaffertyFile, you can post a comment there on my blog.



Read more at Media Matters: http://mediamatters.org/items/200802290001


Who is contributing to campaign?


After Mining Deal, Financier Donated to Clinton
By JO BECKER and DON VAN NATTA Jr.
Late on Sept. 6, 2005, a private plane carrying the Canadian mining financier Frank Giustra touched down in Almaty, a ruggedly picturesque city in southeast Kazakhstan. Several hundred miles to the west a fortune awaited: highly coveted deposits of uranium that could fuel nuclear reactors around the world. And Mr. Giustra was in hot pursuit of an exclusive deal to tap them.

Unlike more established competitors, Mr. Giustra was a newcomer to uranium mining in Kazakhstan, a former Soviet republic. But what his fledgling company lacked in experience, it made up for in connections. Accompanying Mr. Giustra on his luxuriously appointed MD-87 jet that day was a former president of the United States, Bill Clinton.

Upon landing on the first stop of a three-country philanthropic tour, the two men were whisked off to share a sumptuous midnight banquet with Kazakhstan’s president, Nursultan A. Nazarbayev, whose 19-year stranglehold on the country has all but quashed political dissent.

Mr. Nazarbayev walked away from the table with a propaganda coup, after Mr. Clinton expressed enthusiastic support for the Kazakh leader’s bid to head an international organization that monitors elections and supports democracy. Mr. Clinton’s public declaration undercut both American foreign policy and sharp criticism of Kazakhstan’s poor human rights record by, among others, Mr. Clinton’s wife, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York.

Within two days, corporate records show that Mr. Giustra also came up a winner when his company signed preliminary agreements giving it the right to buy into three uranium projects controlled by Kazakhstan’s state-owned uranium agency, Kazatomprom.

The monster deal stunned the mining industry, turning an unknown shell company into one of the world’s largest uranium producers in a transaction ultimately worth tens of millions of dollars to Mr. Giustra, analysts said.

Just months after the Kazakh pact was finalized, Mr. Clinton’s charitable foundation received its own windfall: a $31.3 million donation from Mr. Giustra that had remained a secret until he acknowledged it last month. The gift, combined with Mr. Giustra’s more recent and public pledge to give the William J. Clinton Foundation an additional $100 million, secured Mr. Giustra a place in Mr. Clinton’s inner circle, an exclusive club of wealthy entrepreneurs in which friendship with the former president has its privileges.

Mr. Giustra was invited to accompany the former president to Almaty just as the financier was trying to seal a deal he had been negotiating for months.

In separate written responses, both men said Mr. Giustra traveled with Mr. Clinton to Kazakhstan, India and China to see first-hand the philanthropic work done by his foundation.

A spokesman for Mr. Clinton said the former president knew that Mr. Giustra had mining interests in Kazakhstan but was unaware of “any particular efforts” and did nothing to help. Mr. Giustra said he was there as an “observer only” and there was “no discussion” of the deal with Mr. Nazarbayev or Mr. Clinton.

But Moukhtar Dzhakishev, president of Kazatomprom, said in an interview that Mr. Giustra did discuss it, directly with the Kazakh president, and that his friendship with Mr. Clinton “of course made an impression.” Mr. Dzhakishev added that Kazatomprom chose to form a partnership with Mr. Giustra’s company based solely on the merits of its offer.

After The Times told Mr. Giustra that others said he had discussed the deal with Mr. Nazarbayev, Mr. Giustra responded that he “may well have mentioned my general interest in the Kazakhstan mining business to him, but I did not discuss the ongoing” efforts.

As Mrs. Clinton’s presidential campaign has intensified, Mr. Clinton has begun severing financial ties with Ronald W. Burkle, the supermarket magnate, and Vinod Gupta, the chairman of InfoUSA, to avoid any conflicts of interest. Those two men have harnessed the former president’s clout to expand their businesses while making the Clintons rich through partnership and consulting arrangements.


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More: Ny Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html?_r=1&ei=5065&en=6a843530898e147a&ex=1202446800&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin

BTW: This is just one of the shady deals done for Clinton, google search reveals many more.

Why is Rush and Ann ( two of the biggest slime buckets of RW) telling voters to vote for Hillary?

First it was ultra-conservative Ann Coulter who said she'd support Hillary Clinton if John McCain won the Republican nomination for the 2008 presidential election. Now, another big-time conservative personality by the name of Rush Limbaugh is also threatening to throw his weight behind Clinton.

On Thursday, Limbaugh said he's considering raising money for Senator Hillary Clinton's campaign to ensure that she's the Democratic party nominee.

Rush's reasoning for wanting to help out Mrs. Clinton are slightly different than that of Ann Coulter's. Ann wants Clinton to be her President - not McCain. Whereas Limbaugh believes that if Clinton gets the Democratic nomination, the Republicans will have an easier time winning the election and getting their guy in the White House.

Limbaugh said earlier this week that he believes if Senator Barack Obama is the Democratic nominee, the GOP is "doomed" this coming November.


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More from Clevland Leader:http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/4674


Why is a Senior Republican toasting Hillary?

Geoff Elliott, Washington correspondent | October 13, 2007
NURSING a beer in a bar not far from the White House, a senior Bush administration official was handicapping the presidential race and it was the usual tale of woe regarding the Republican field, with him lamenting that there was no standout candidate uniting the party.

But then he leant forward -- and this is a lifetime Republican -- and said: "You know, this is going to sound weird coming from me, but I trust Hillary. She might bein the left lane, but at least she's on the same highway."


The comment sums up Hillary Clinton's position as the frontrunning establishment candidate in the presidential race.

She's claiming middle America, much to the consternation of not only the Right but also the anti-war Left, which reached new levels of desperation this week by running a $65,000 advertisement in The New York Times basically pleading with 2000 Democratic presidential candidate Al Gore to enter the race.

At this point, it would look to be a fool's errand. Clinton is running a masterful campaign in which, against all predictions, she has also managed to soften her image with the public over the past six months.

One of the techniques is a default response to laugh off any serious charge on policy or personality, in what's becoming known as the "Clinton chuckle" or the more pejorative "Clinton cackle". In any case, it's worked a treat, although there are occasional lapses, as happened this week.

On the campaign trail in Iowa, there was a flash of Clinton's infamous "vast right-wing conspiracy" view of the world. Only this time it's not so much a right-wing conspiracy as attacks from her own party, as fellow challengers such as Barack Obama and John Edwards try to peg back her lead in the polls.

This week, a local Iowan poll put Clinton in the lead for the first time in that critical state, with the former first lady at 29per cent, Edwards on 23 per cent and Obama on 22 per cent, which makes her apparent sensitivity all the more surprising.

It came during a testy exchange at one of her campaign rallies with audience member Randall Rolph. He challenged her vote in Congress last month to designate Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps a terrorist organisation.

Clinton's opponents, including Obama and Edwards, say such a designation could be interpreted as authorisation from Congress for military force in Iran, and Rolph picked up the same line.

"It appears you haven't learned from your past mistakes," said Rolph, referring to Clinton's vote in October 2002 to authorise the Bush administration's use of force in Iraq.
bold=my emphasis

More from Australian: http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22575682-5013451,00.html


Hillarys praise of George Bush when he hits an all time low from most Americans!

*snip*

Two-thirds of those polled said they had little or no confidence that the Bush White House could end the war successfully, and little more than a third said they believed that the decision to invade Iraq was correct. About two thirds said they did not believe that Bush shared their priorities and that the US was in worse condition today than before Bush came into office.

The poll follows a similar survey done by USA Today/Gallup the day before that also recorded a 31 percent approval rating for the US president. Like the Times/CBS poll, it indicated a sharp drop in support among those considered by the administration to be its base, with little more than half of conservatives giving Bush a positive rating.

It was under these bleak conditions for the White House that the Democratic senator from New York, Hillary Clinton, came forward to praise Bush at a public appearance in Washington. In a speech at the National Archives on her political career, Mrs. Clinton said of Bush: “He is someone who has a lot of charm and charisma, and I think in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, I was very grateful to him for his support for New York.”

While asserting that she had “many disagreements about many, many issues” with the Republican president, she added, “He’s been very willing to talk. He’s been affable. He’s been good company.”

Returning to the issue of Bush’s response to the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on New York City, Clinton claimed that Bush had kept his promise to provide New York City with $20 billion in aid. “He always kept it on track,” she said. “He made sure we got the resources that we needed, and I’m very grateful to him for that.”

It is not likely that “charm and charisma,” “affable” and “good company” are the words that come to mind for the two thirds of Americans who are opposed to the Bush administration’s policies, many of whom loathe the US president for the criminal actions he has taken over the past five years.

What precisely Mrs. Clinton finds charming, affable and good about the American president she failed to say.

A fairly acute description of the president’s personal traits was provided not long ago by a prominent Washington psychoanalyst who diagnosed George W. Bush as a “paranoid megalomaniac.” In his book Bush on the Couch: Inside the Mind of the President, Dr. Justin Frank identified in Bush a “lifelong streak of sadism, ranging from childhood pranks (using firecrackers to explode frogs) to insulting journalists, gloating over state executions... pumping his fist gleefully before the bombing of Baghdad.


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More from World Socialist Web Site: http://www.wsws.org/articles/2006/may2006/hill-m11.shtml


Why would she choose Mc Cain over Obama?


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/3/174218/4966/721/468110





The only thing Hillary is a victim of, is her of her own making!
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 06:16 PM
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21. Sad to say that Obama is going to have to
get right down in the muck with Hillary and take her on in a way she can understand...right into the dirt. :mad:
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