"But we need African Americans and the young to vote in November"

[question everything]

has been the battle cry from the Obama supporters.

Well, what about Latinos, and the working poor and, most important, the working older women?

Women, many of whom were dumped by their husbands - many of them wine tasting liberals supporting Obama - in favor of a trophy wife?

Wouldn't these groups feel disenfranchised and will stay at home if Obama were the nominee?

Why are African Americans and young voters more important to the party than the old, loyal pillars of working men and women?

Yes, it will be important to attract moderate Republicans and independent in November, but our nominee should be decided by Democrats and among those - Hillary, clearly, is the winner.

If we want Republicans and independent to determine our nominee, whether with noble or nefarious reasons, why, then, bother with party primaries? Let's just have one big primary where every voter can vote for any one who s/he chooses. And then see what happens in the general elections.

Interesting, all through 2007 Hillary was winning in national polls. But, no, we we were told, it would be up to the party loyalists - more left leaning than she - to choose the nominee.

So now we have had our own primaries and caucuses and, guess what, it is not the party loyalists who have, and may still, determine our nominee.

It would be nice if Obama supporters will make up their mind on how we should choose our party nominee.

Oh, and if anyone is still calling for Clinton to step down - don't.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4862130

[Fresh_Start]

1. I cannot believe in this most important of elections

the Democratic party decided to get all "HISTORIC".
We need a Democratic administration more than we need a first female or first black President.

[question everything]

3. This is true. We had some really good candidates

who bailed out too early because the media and the voters concentrated more on affinity.

Still, when it came down to these two, it was she, and her supporters talking about the issues, while the Obama supporters were talking in platitudes. Hillary was not my first choice, but once the debates started I was impressed. For me, the main event was the debate before New Hampshire, when she kept answering, succinctly, questioned addressed to her, while the man would just evade the questions and flirt with the camera.

Even now, some claim that amending the injustice that is still being done to African Americans is so improtant that Obama should be elected.

[Fresh_Start]

6. thats why I want this to go to the convention.....

I want Gore who I honestly believe would win not only democratic voters but many GOP voters who are trying for a mea culpa over installing Bush.

Gore is the best choice for a Democratic win in November.

[goclark]

14. And he has the best chance of bringing the Obama supporters

we him.

I am with Obama but I would approve of GORE at the Convention.

That is how much I respect the man ~ he would never get in the gutter like Billary.

[democrattotheend]

5. We could make that excuse every election

Maybe we should just adopt a "white males only" rule to qualify on the Dem ballot.

[Fresh_Start]

7. how about putting a black or female or other minority as Vice President first

that will move forward and provide a bridge for the future.

edited title

[butterfly77]

9. I said this when I found out they both were running...

why at the most detrimental time in our country... For Hillary I knew it would be all about Bill and previous scandals and for Obama I knew it would be all about race and Jesse,Sharpton and Farrakhan.

[Fresh_Start]

10. because democratic party is incompetent

how ironic is it that the democratic party is disenfranchising voters in FLORIDA this year?

[butterfly77]

19. I'm from Michigan...

I know..

[Fresh_Start]

27. I don't ignore that Michigan is also disenfranchised

but the irony of screwing over Florida democrats by both the GOP and the Democrats is unbelievable

[papau]

2. well said - Hiarry's groups are as important as any other - but you'll be called racist or your

point is not important - at least on DU

[Captain Hilts]

4. Black and young voters have a long history of dropping out in the GE. nt

[Tropics_Dude83]

8. As an Obama supporter, I agree

Latinos are showing their visceral hatred for Obama and that could kill him in New Jersey, California, New Mexico, etc. Especially with a pro-immigration republican running. I think Hillary destroys Mccain 60-30 among latinos though no matter what Mccain does.

That's my one concerm with Obama for the GE.

[democrattotheend]

22. Where are you getting that?

I heard them say not that long ago on MSNBC that most Latinos say they'd vote for either in the general. Latinos have a longstanding connection to the Clintons, not a hatred for Obama.

[butterfly77]

11. I heard this talkshow host this morning..

urging his listeners to do a blackout if Obama is not the nominee and vote independent..

[question everything]

12. Sad, very sad

If this is the black mindset, they will end up sliding back to being marginalized in politics and economics.

[redstate_democrat]

15. Bullshit

Black people are already marginalized in "politics and economics". Who gives a fuck about a party that values racist voters votes more than its most LOYAL voters. I don't blame that host. And I wouldn't be surprised if that happens. This party will need black voters to show up in purple states, southern/midwest swing states, etc. In Blue states, Clinton will be forced to spend money there to compete with a John McCain if Black voters are out of the picture. Then there is that anti-Clinton block out there who will come out full force against her. How will she combat that with part of the base missing going against a moderate Republican like John McCain?

I wonder.

[butterfly77]

18. Its not, there are a lot of callers who disagree but.

there are a lot of callers who are new to politics and they don't know all of the in's and out's of politics the host is throwing in anything but the kitchen sink.

[redstate_democrat]

23. One more thing

their votes won't be marginalized because finally, the vote will be up for grabs (like the Hispanic vote) and maybe some items on our agenda will be advanced.

[Nine]

13. makes you wonder why Obama was so quick to poison the well with his race-baiting

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304

How is that helping get out the black vote? Talk about a scorched earth strategy...

[Zookeeper]

30. Interesting article! And pretty accurate from what I've observed.

Any one who is expressing indignation because they think Clinton is using unfair tactics, should read this article.

Even if Obama doesn't have a lot of experience using underhanded tactics, his advisers DO.

[FrenchieCat]

16. 2 Supreme Court justices may be replaced, and you believe that

middle aged White women will decide not to vote for the Democrat at top of the ballot if it is Obama? I'm sorry, but don't think so.

Just understand one thing, and why there is a difference between the Obama voters and the Clinton voters. Black folks are at the bottom of the ladder anyways, as they always are. Many of them believe that they can weather the storm, like they always have. They now realize that their vote doesn't count very much to Hillary Clinton, as she has already stated that they do not represent an "important" voting bloc to her. In essence, they pretty much have the least to lose of all of the voters.

Same with young and new voters, who are known for being apathetic. I don't think that Clinton is compelling enough to get them out to the polls in drove. Barack's movement is not quite as transferable as one would like to think.

Same goes for the Independent voters. They may not come out for Hillary....as they may choose McCain or simply stay home.

In reference to the Hispanic voters, please know that McCain holds basically the same stance on immigration as does both Hillary and Barack.....to a great extent. Out of all of the voters, they are the one least likely to be relied upon as a large voting block, as they showed in 2000 and 2004.

Note that Obama can easily put someone on the ticket that could garnet the Hispanic vote, and it wouldn't have to be Hillary Clinton.

Hillary cannot say the same in attempting to capture Obama's voters.

All that is left is the Democratic racist voters. I would suggest that they get their asses out of the party and form their own party and call it "the White Party who will not vote for a Black candidate party". Then we can see how far they get.

[question everything]

26. So many wrong assumptions here

"middle aged White women will decide not to vote for the Democrat at top of the ballot if it is Obama? I'm sorry, but don't think so."

No, of course not. You see, no one ever said that the working poor would stay home if Obama is the nominee. However, many said this about African American and young voters.

"Black folks are at the bottom of the ladder anyways, as they always are."

So are the working women. Someone here several months ago was dismayed at an ad for pain relieving showing a 77-year old woman working as a waitress. The working poor of this country also feel cheated by the system. Their voice have a right to be heard and it was not in the Obama campaign with a major emphasis on blacks. Don't forget, initially most blacks in the South were for Clinton, until a black pride took over reasons.

"All that is left is the Democratic racist voters. I would suggest that they get their asses out of the party and form their own party and call it "the White Party who will not vote for a Black candidate party". Then we can see how far they get."

It is sad that you consider Hillary supporters to be racist. As I have said someplace else, she was not my first choice but once the debates started, I was impressed with how well she knew that topics and how well her detailed answers were, more so than any other candidates.

Some of us still look on the issues, not on "affinity" candidates.

[FrenchieCat]

28. First, I didn't say that "all" Hillary Supporters were racists, so that's your first

wrong reading of what I did write.

I stated that those who claim that race plays a factor in their vote for the GE ARE racists....and I'm not sure how you would argue otherwise.

In addition, White women have the most to lose if a Republican takes office again. Women tend to hate war more, and they also tend to be the ones most devasted when the economics of this country doesn't allow for certain social programs that benefit them. Also, most are concerned about reproductive rights and the make up of the Supreme court.

It would be ironic if their loyal support of Hillary Clinton ends up costing them the very thing that they believe is key; their right to choose.......but it could happen, if Hillary is the one that ends up on the ticket against McCain....due to all of the factors I named in my initial post.

[redqueen]

17. That's the battle cry?

News to me.

[anonymous171]

20. Dumped by their husbands?

WTF!?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

21. I Don't Have Much Respect For The "I'm Taking My Ball And Going Home" Crowd.

If someone is so fragile minded in their foray into politics, that if they don't get their way they stamp their feet and run off to put their heads under their pillows, then they aren't quite ready for politics to begin with.

You don't always get your way. Some people are going to have to grow up enough to grasp that.

[redstate_democrat]

25. Remember this when Obama

secures the nomination.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

29. Why?

[Justitia]

24. What we NEED is to beat McCain. Hard to do when one of OUR candidates is endorsing him. -eom