I'm calling a blowout for Obama in Mississippi--because of Clinton's own words

[geek tragedy]

When Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) suggested that Mississippi is the lowest of the low when it comes to state-by-state comparisons, she may have bruised some feelings there.

In an interview with the Des Moines Register’s David Yepsen today, she said she was surprised that Iowa, like Mississippi, had never elected a woman governor, senator or member of Congress.

"I was shocked when I learned Iowa and Mississippi have never elected a woman governor, senator or member of Congress. There has got to be something at work here," she said.

“How can Iowa be ranked with Mississippi?" she asked, suggesting that Iowa is too good for that. "That's not the quality. That's not the communitarianism, that's not the openness I see in Iowa."

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2007/10/clintons_mississippi_putdown_r.html

[zanne]

1. Yup. She shot herself in the foot with those comments. nt

[TacticalPeek]

2. Call away. I'll do what I can to make him earn it.

Bill Clinton expected to visit Mississippi

By Natalie Chandler
[e-mail]

Former President Bill Clinton is expected to visit Mississippi this week to
campaign for his wife, Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton,
according to a Clinton supporter.

Clinton volunteer Brown Miller of Hattiesburg said workers at Hillary
Clinton’s national campaign headquarters told him about the visit.

Campaign staffers for the candidate said Bill Clinton will be in Hattiesburg
Friday. Details of his visit have not been announced.

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200880304043

[geek tragedy]

4. Oh good. More "Jesse Jackson" comments from

the lip-biting fingerwagger.

[DemBones DemBones]

18. Let's review, for those who are confused. All that

Clinton said, in relation to the SC primary, when Obamaniacs were wetting themselves in excitement over Obama's win there, was that Jesse Jackson had won SC, too, but not the nomination. For that simple observation he was accused of being racist because, ooh, he said another black man had once won in SC. Never mind that it was true.

Never mind that if he'd mentioned any white man who'd won in SC but not won the nomination, like John Edwards, he'd have been called racist for comparing Obama and a white man!

The Great Obama must never be compared to anyone of any race! So says the Great Obama.

Obama's use of the race card has been really stupid because neither Bill nor Hillary are racists and he knows it.

[anigbrowl]

29. Dems would have called a comparison with John Edwards in 2004 racist. Right.

Welcome to my ignore list.

[democrattotheend]

37. So why didn't he use John Edwards as the example?

Instead of Jesse Jackson? Edwards was a more recent example of a politician who had won SC but lost the nomination. Clinton could have used that comparison and avoided even the appearance of downplaying Obama's victory on racial grounds.

[Justitia]

41. I love to see Clinton supporters defending the indefensible Clinton Machine - LOL. -eom

[roguevalley]

27. I loathe that she discounts/ridicules and allows such of some states.

like mine.

[Cha]

36. I hope bil learned his lesson from South

Carolina and won't be dissin' the Mississippi Black voters at his own peril.

[Renew Deal]

3. She had to apologize to Trent Lott for that one.

He accepted.

[Unsane]

5. Will it matter? The media only cares about contests Clinton has a chance of winning.

Obama's MS blowout will be a footnote.

[thereismore]

7. True, but the MS delegates matter. Let the media masturbate. nt

[Unsane]

11. It matters less since neither can get to 2,025 on pledged delegates

Much of the fight will be centered around media mo; and the media is solidly on Hillary's side at present. This type of thing may influence SDs

[Hawkowl]

56. Is that what MSM means?

Ha! MaSturbating Media! LMAO!

[Alhena]

10. It will give superdelegates cover to run to Obama- no primary for 6 weeks after MS

the party- or at least many superdelegates - will not want to wait that long when PA won't resolve anything anyway. It will likely just be a 5 point or so Hillary win that nets her a handful of delegates.

[Cha]

38. The plot thickens..thanks,

Alhena!

[Skoods]

15. HAHAHA

Please...The media might as well bend over and take it from Obama these days.

[TheDoorbellRang]

6. Then the next question is

does Mississippi have an open primary?

[TacticalPeek]

9. Closed. But we'll have to see how it actually works.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/18/us/18south.html?ei=5090&en=752427c82bd6ca9a&ex=1342411200&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=print

[TheDoorbellRang]

17. Looks like that got overturned. Greenpapers shows it as open

and the Republicans no longer have any reason to vote in their own, unless there's some hotly contested races downticket.

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/MS-D.phtml

[Alhena]

8. Would have been a blowout anyway- that will just make it bigger

[KittyWampus]

12. She also said on Daily Show "On To Pennsylvania" totally ignoring MS & WY

this is the perfect attack ad and angle.

[DemBones DemBones]

19. Republicans will cross over in huge numbers in MS and WY

to vote for Obama. Obama will get most of the black vote in MS, which is very large. I doubt there are enough blacks in WY to make any difference but the place is full of Republicans, i.e., possible primary crossovers. Hillary Clinton is smart enough to know Obama will probably take those states. Since they are rural states, PA is more important, having a larger urban population. Larger population=more delegates.

The GOP is doing everything it can, with help from the media it owns, to make Obama the nominee, so that McCain can crush him.

Do you seriously think Obama could win Utah, Idaho, SC, or any other red state against
McCain in November? Winning the Democratic primary does not mean you'll win the general election. You have to be able to defeat the Republican.

In November, the Republicans will vote for McCain, and a lot of Democrats will vote third party, stay home, even vote for McCain rather than vote for Obama, because he's a liar and has very little national-level experience.

Nominating Obama would hand McCain the presidency.

[Justitia]

42. I actually agree, repubs will vote against a Clinton every chance they get, like in November.

They'd eat her alive.

The Clintons sure bring out the rabid wingers and not a single one would vote for them in the GE.

It'd be a reverse McGovern.

[Hawkowl]

59. HRC is an idiot

She has lost the nomination because she ignores and belittles the small and republican leaning states. She refuses to compete for their delegates and that is why it is impossible for her to win the nomination. She still doesn't get it. She needed to compete in every state, making every voter feel like they MATTERED. This is what Obama does and this is why he will not only win the nomination but the presidency. She would bring the same old strategy to the general election, i.e; focusing on the traditional dem states and trying to win a few borderline states like Ohio and Missouri. And she would get her fucking clock cleaned by McCain and the rethuglican vote caging, felony wire tapping machine. She needs to sit down and shut up already.

And I am not even an Obama supporter--or wasn't until after my caucus was several weeks old.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. Obama Should Get At Least Seventy Percent Of The Vote In Mississippi

~

[DemBones DemBones]

20. MS has a large black population and a lot of Republicans who'll crossover

to vote for Obama in the primary. (Some blacks are Republicans, too.) The Republicans will not vote for the Democrat in November, however.

All these red states where Obama has won primaries will still be red states in November if he's the nominee. They'll go for McCain. Clinton could win some of them. She can defeat McCain.

Obama seems determined to take the party down if he's not the nominee.

[Spider Jerusalem]

32. The idea that a red state WILL go for Clinton and not Obama in November...

is pure fantasy; Clinton's negatives with the right wing are far far higher than Obama's. And Limbaugh, Hannity, et al haven't been encouraging their listeners to cross over and vote for Obama, either.

[democrattotheend]

39. Clinton could win Mississippi?

Right...

[Justitia]

51. So, only "blacks" & republicans vote for Obama, huh? Nice. -eom

[Danger Mouse]

57. You're living in a fantasy land.

THE RIGHT WING FUCKING HATES HILLARY CLINTON.
THE RETHUGLICAN RANK AND FILE HATES HILLARY CLINTON.
They're not happy with McCain, but a Clinton run would be glorious for them...it's get out their base to vote...against Clinton!
You think 'C U Next Tuesday' was bad?
That'll be GENTLE compared to the slime they'll pump out.

[JVS]

14. Is there video of her saying this?

It's 3 AM and Hillary is trashing Mississippi...

[CoffeeCat]

16. Hillary---How pathetic. How transparent. How manipulative.

I'm totally laughing here at Hillary Clinton's vile manipulation and deceptive spinning.

Does this woman EVER stop trying to manipulate and contort reality? Jesus!

Let me tell you something about what Hillary Clinton did in Iowa. I live in Iowa and
I had front-row seats to the shenanigans and the bullshit. Besides planting questions
in two Iowa audiences and running an impersonal campaign in which she didn't even allow
questions--she also began insulting Iowa and suggesting that it would be hard for her to
win the Iowa caucuses--because Iowa never elected a woman governor before.

Hillary started these digs about Iowa--a week before the caucus--when her polls began tanking. She began
attacking Iowa and insinuating that we were behind the times and unwilling to accept women in
leadership roles. She also began insulting the caucus process--and spinning caucuses as unfair, etc.

Again, all of this spin started when her polls showed her losing ground.

Many people here were insulted by Hillary's negative remarks about our state. She didn't parse it at all.
She was clearly saying that we were provincial hicks who couldn't handle women in leadership roles.

Now, what is she doing??? She's spinning the same tale about Mississippi---because she knows that she will lose
big there. She has to discount Mississippi, and make that win a non win. So, she'll do to Mississippi what she
did to Iowa--disparage and denigrate.

Another really disgusting element to this--is how she is using David Yepsen, to pull off this spin. David
Yepsen, is the chief political reporter at the Des Moines Register. The Register endorsed Clinton. Yepsen
is the same reporter who helped Hillary spin her absurd lies about Obama busing in Illinois students to
stack the caucuses. This never happened! However, Yepsen was happy to spread Clinton's unsubstantiated
rumors and it appears he's still doing it with Mississippi.

How contemptible, that Hillary has the audacity to pretend as if she liked Iowa--as she denigrates Mississippi.
Her insults about Iowa were very concise. But she needs to make Mississippi look like shit, so she goes
back to David Yepsen and compliments Iowa and talks about "the openness" of our state. She's only doing
this to avoid looking like a whiner who has complained before about a state not electing women. She's
got to diffuse her past attacks on Iowa, so her decimation of Mississippi is more potent.

Hillary had no problem attacking our caucuses--and attacking the people of Iowa for being anti-women in politics.
Now, like a snake, she sidles up to Yepsen---as he helps her craft her new negative spin on a Mississippi loss.

Is everyone getting how utterly revolting Hillary Clinton is?????

[DemBones DemBones]

21. Obama is very manipulative, constantly talking about his

opposition to the war, his support for civil rights, and other lies.

I won't vote for a man who has led people to believe that he voted against the IWR when he was not elected to the Senate until two years after the vote. That's revolting.

I won't vote for a man who he said in his 2004 Senate campaign that he basically agreed with Bush's policies on the war. That's revolting.

Since he's been in the Senate, he has voted for every bill to fund the war and voted to extend the PATRIOT Act. That's revolting.

One anti-war speech in 2002 does not impress me when I know what he's done since then.

The bottom line is that Obama can't beat McCain. So our choice is Clinton or McCain.

Yes, it would be wonderful if we had a better candidate than Clinton or Obama but we don't, thanks to GOP manipulation of the media. I'd rather have Kucinich and Edwards on our ticket, but we won't.

If we want to beat McCain, we need to nominate Clinton and support her.

[Justitia]

44. LOL - I smell flop sweat, but I admire your effort to spin shit into silver, LOL -eom

[jackstraw45]

22. Obama should play this on Mississippi radio every day....

...perhaps even as a fake "AP" news story like Clinton did in Ohio.

No wait...Obama didn't subscribe to the Karl Rove playbook like Clinton.

[otohara]

23. Insult 30 State Strategy

way to go Hill!

[City Lights]

33. LOL! She's like a bull in a china shop. eom

[knixphan]

24. and a donation surge is on the way.

Get in on it, while the MSM tries to figure out what to talk about...

Let's give 'em a new donation record to talk about!

Obama '08!

[hey560]

25. MSM will change their Hillary tune after the next 2 primaries.

They love the drama for ratings. They overplayed Obama's victories, now they are overplaying Hillary's.

[democrattotheend]

43. I think that's dead on

I think they were writing her obituary prematurely, but now they are overplaying her victories. They created momentum for Clinton when it looked like it might be over soon, because the primary season has been a big boost to their ratings and they want to keep it going.

[mmonk]

26. When one goes negative, any negative consequences that result

comes with the territory.

[Justitia]

46. Call it the "boomeranging sink" strategy, LOL. -eom

[jgraz]

28. Hillary drops her pantsuit and takes a dump on another state

Way to go Hill. :thumbsup:

[AZBlue]

30. He must not let them forget those words.

[goodgd_yall]

31. Well...it is the truth

It doesn't matter; Mississippi would never vote for her and she knows that. Might as well speak the truth instead of pandering to Mississippi.

[Justitia]

48. How nice to insult the Mississippi Democratic Party by calling them anti-woman.

Can she ever win anything on her own merits without dragging out the faux misogynist outrage?

[557188]

54. Its still the truth

The truth is the truth.

[Justitia]

55. Sure, Mississippi Democrats hate women. 'cuz she's about to get her ass handed to her. Convenient,

isn't it?

More like, she can't win outside those states Dems win anyway.

[Beacool]

34. I'm calling a blow out in MS for Obama because of the black vote.

:shrug:

[Justitia]

50. Yeah, because only "blacks" vote for Obama, right?

Jesse Jackson redux, huh?

What a dumbass thing to say :wtf:

[Beacool]

52. Dumbass??????????????

Oh yeah, because so far they have voted for Obama at a rate of only 80% to 90%. How foolish of me to say that he'll handily win MS thanks to the black vote, just like in SC, GA, LA, etc.


:sarcasm:

[Justitia]

53. Nice try minimizing him to the candidates of the "blacks". And people wonder why the Clinton

campaign seems to run on racist undertones.

It makes me puke :puke:

[Beacool]

60. Well, it makes ME puke when people vote on race over the issues.

Ditto if they vote solely based on gender. Please, don't even try to make a case that 80 to 90 percent of black people are not voting for him because of his race more than because they compared his and Hillary's positions on the issues. I would say the same thing if the same percentage of women were voting for Hillary or if in the GE whites went overwhelmingly for McCain. This election HAS become about race, let's be honest and not pretend that it's not a big factor.

[Justitia]

61. So, you are still sticking with "blacks" only vote on race, not issues? Quit digging. -eom

[Beacool]

62. No, I'm not saying that ALL blacks are voting solely based on race,

but in this election I think that the astounding percentage of black people who are voting for Obama are definitely doing so due to his race. Otherwise the votes would have been more evenly split between him and Hillary, just like they are with the women vote. Not trying to offend anyone, just stating the truth.

[Justitia]

63. Here! Try this shovel - it's bigger! -eom

[mythyc]

65. i'm more curious and sad that you needed to say that with a shrug smiley

what exactly are you trying to express with that?

i congratulate hillary on her strong women and latino bases. and think that shrugging them off (whatever possible intent you have in posting that... let's speculate them: diminish, demean, disinherit, dissipate, disinterest, deign, downplay, downcast, dribble, dismissive whatever, even if you meant "nothing" by it, why shrug to express that? it's something you should take back unless you mean not to disambiguate, which lack of intention isn't any more sincere) would an unfortunate way of making a point about her success among them. or has she earned this, whereas his is happenstance?

maybe you didn't intend it to be such, but it's a startling racialized (calm down, i didn't say racist) thing to do... really hoping that you address it, without continuing to be one or all the D's above....

[Cha]

35. That got her 3rd place in Iowa..all that

pandering. If there was anyone who ever deserved to lose on pandering alone..it would be little miss actor hilary.

[Justitia]

40. Clinton seems excellent in her aim at shooting at fellow Democrats. Sorry Mississippi, you suck!

Per Clinton.

From me? Hello from one of your fellow red state Dems :hi:

We're working our asses off too - did you hear about our caucuses? Fun, fun, fun!

[FDRoosevelt]

45. Obama!

I'm baaaaaaaaack.

[Zachstar]

47. Keep it up everyone!!

Clinton's actions are coming back to haunt her!

I don't expect a complete blowout. 60 percent for Obama is great!

All I can really think and hope for is that Clinton's small delegate gain on the 4th gets destroyed by Wyoming and Mississippi.

After that it is a month of superdelegates and exposing Clinton so let us hope for some early good news!

Don't get lazy tho everyone! Clinton needs to be exposed so continue your research and continue the support of Obama!

[Scurrilous]

49. K & R

:thumbsup:

[David Zephyr]

58. geek tragedy, you will be crowing here next week because you are right.

I agree with you. It will be a blow out.

[Snowbot]

64. She may be more competitve than we think

But either way, after Saturday Obama will have recovered all of the lost delegates from Tuesday and extended his lead. Kinda funny I think.

[BringBigDogBack]

66. wow, just saw this.

Hard to believe