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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 12:58 PM
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The Candidate is unelectable, plagued by troubles, and polling poorly
Democratic officials are worried
"The halls of Congress are filled with Democrats wringing their hands over their prospective nominee," Sawyer said.
...
Democratic media adviser David Garth similarly worries that "every time I think he's had his last wound he starts to bleed again and something else gets discovered.
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"There are a lot of people who wish someone else would get into this race," said a Senate Democratic official.
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Said one key strategist in the campaign committee, "We're following the Napoleonic maxim: Never interfere with the enemy when they are in the process of destroying themselves."

Even CNN reports it

This article clearly shows that Democratic officials, the experts, often times don't understand the electoral dynamic that is driving the votes. If Clinton was being declared the weakest candidate against Bush, why did he win? Do they really think Tsongas would have beaten Bush?
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 01:00 PM
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1. Right-wing BS
Donald Lambro is the chief political corespondent for the Washington Times
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 01:03 PM
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4. Of course you miss the quotes from Democractic officials
wishing someone else was running. You don't address the polls, which are historical facts. You even fail to see CNN was reporting similar material.

Nope. You think it is dismissed because it was written by an anti-Democratic source. Perhaps you should take that into consideration the next time you hear someone saying Dean can't win.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 01:09 PM
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8. I don't trust the Washington TImes, or it's political editor.

I don't care whether Dean can win or not. He is the wrong person to be President. Wrong on character, wrong on the issues.

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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 01:18 PM
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10. Then I guess you won't be voting for Dean
I think Dean is the ONLY candidate to be president.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 01:02 PM
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2. Thanks for finding this!
Lambro at the moonie times used this eerily familiar tone in his recent hit piece on Dean.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 01:03 PM
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3. I must agree with your assessment, LuminousX
Truly, had any pundit understood the changing attitudes of voter dnamic, they would have been calling 1992 for Clinton one year before any vote had been cast.

This only underscores, statements made about how Dean will go down in flames to Bush are superfluous and useless at this point. Dean is building in momentum and it is only increasing. The numbers over the last quarter speak loudly and clearly. Dean is a force to be reckoned with and a juggernaut who will take the Democratic Party to an overwhelming victory on November 2, 2004.
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 01:04 PM
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5. Great Post!
I thought for sure I was reading some more malarky about Dean.

Something for us all to remember: Dean's "daily gaffes" hardly compare to the Gennifer Flowers shit that hit Bill Clinton's fan during the primaries.
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 01:05 PM
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7. If the GOP coudln't sink Clinton over the 'character issue'
even though they were able to affect his polling numbers, his fundraising ability, and sometimes the agenda of the campaign... they won't be able to sink Dean, either.

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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 01:05 PM
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6. At the risk of sounding redundant - BRILLIANT!
:yourock:
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 01:17 PM
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9. As much as I like Bill Clinton, one could argue
that times have changed....And not just the "terror" card....The media has changed a great deal! Granted, people now have the internet....but most people come home, turn on the TV (or radio driving home) and are getting a very incomplete view of the world.

And then the question is: if people are ready for change, do they want more anger or do they want a sense of healing.

Ironically, in the long run, I would argue that Clark's persona might match the mood of the public better than an in your face style. His video and the ads that are drawn from them are done by the people who did Clinton's videos. They evoke the same aura of uplifting and hope that Clinton's did...without mentioning a man "from Hope" they sure do bring up the same emotions.

Lots of people say they wish Clinton were back. I'm beginning to think that Clark is the most direct link to that and may trump a lot of other emotions at the end of the day
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ozone_man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 01:22 PM
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11. Clinton clearly was not electable.
And Dean is not either.

<snip>
Although he had won 14 of the 20 primaries and caucuses since Super Tuesday, a good two-thirds of all Democratic primary voters said they wished they had another choice for the nomination. And 41 percent of all voters said they had a negative view of the former boy wonder of southern politics.
<snip>

I don't understand how Clinton, with all of his Flowers baggage, draft evasion, and pot smoking, could have ever made it into office. Must have been that voters were able to look beyond this stuff to see qualities that might make this guy a leader.
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 06:57 PM
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14. Don't forget the Perot factor....Perot, at the time, was perceived
as taking votes from Bush I. Clinton won but it wasn't exactly a landslide...Perot saved him.
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Raya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 01:28 PM
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12. I think Jerry Brown could have Beaten Bush. Establishment Fear Him

because he would have brough real change in our societal assumptions,
economic system and revolutionized the Democratic Party.

You are right. Dean is much more Clinton. He is no Jerry Brown.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 02:10 PM
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13. What a different, better world we would have today if we'd elected Brown
instead of Clinton. I hope we don't make the same kind of mistake this year. This is our chance to elect a real progressive.

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