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ramapo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:20 AM
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Vote the resume?
Experience has become the new mantra in the campaign, mostly as expressed by Hillary.

If it is experience that was important then I submit the democrats blew it.

Joe Biden and Bill Richardson both have most impressive resumes. I don't think either will be our nominee.

After you strip away all the BS, Hillary doesn't have much more experience than Obama. Sorry, being First Lady does not count. Not unless we want to see Laura and Barbara Bush running in 2012.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:23 AM
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1. Ugh, Babs....
That's where Dubya got his "smarts".

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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:24 AM
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2. Seconded. Since when did being First Lady become "experience"?
What BS. :eyes:
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:41 AM
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5. Oh, it's an important diplomatic responsibility...
...and she did her best to make it politically significant. But I don't think those years count for much; of necessity, she put her own career pretty much on hold in order to support her husband's.
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beezlebum Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:46 AM
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6. on diplomatic responsibility
i thought she was opposed to diplomacy ("it's naive"). :shrug:
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:48 AM
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7. Eh? did she actually say something that stupid?
Hadn't heard that.
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beezlebum Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:40 AM
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11. actually, she called obama naive
Edited on Wed Mar-05-08 11:43 AM by beezlebum
at a July 07 youtube debate when obama said he would immediately begin diplomacy with leaders of "rogue" nations, including hugo chavez, without precondition. she called it both "naive" and "irresponsible," saying she would not meet with said leaders during her first year as president. she doesn't want to be used for "propaganda purposes." (kinda sounds familiar, eh?) it was a supposed "flip-flop" moment- she had previously said she would meet with foreign leaders of nations w/ tensions.

it was really more insinuation that obama is "inexperienced" than it was her views on diplomacy, though i am skeptical that she'd embrace it anyhow. she looked for any statement that could be construed as extreme or polarizing and used it against him by saying just the opposite as part of the "experience" meme. at least that's what i got out of it.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/07/24/politics/main3094391.shtml
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:25 AM
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3. I agree, if experience mattered, we'd be having this arguement with Biden and Richardson ....
and I would be just fine with that.
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:26 AM
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8. and maybe Dodd, but I agree
Hearing Barack and Hillary argue about experience is like hearing a 6th and an 8th grader arguing about how much schooling they have when we kicked the graduate students out of the classroom.

Aside from my personal feeling that experience matters for doing a job well (and that if the pres doesn't have it they'll be beholden to those who do - see Bush/Cheney) - I wanted an experienced candidate to go against the GOP. Sigh.

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beezlebum Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:33 AM
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4. experience mexschmerience
Edited on Wed Mar-05-08 09:36 AM by beezlebum
she wants to count her "experience" as first lady, but yet when bill clinton's presidential policies are used against her, she cries that she is running for president, not her husband, you sexist.

she praises the "experience" of john mccain, which in his case amounts to praising him for mere time rather than accomplishments (sorry, i don't care if you've been a republican for 100 years, all your experience means to me is that you've been an asshole for a century, at best. congratulations)- over the integrity of her fellow democrat, thusly trivializing her whole experience mantra.

experience now means squat to me. it is practically negated as presidential criteria.

i think i'm gonna run for president in 2012...

beezlebum '12. yeah. :headbang:
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:28 AM
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9. McCain will slaughter her if she is the nom.
All he has to do is say "My friends, we've been told to vote for experience, because experience matters. Two candidates are running for office. Only one has ever served more than two terms in the senate. That it me."
Or something like that.
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:32 AM
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10. which is another reason
that McCain will beat her:

- His resume against hers is based on HIS true experience over a longer lifetime not 'experience' derived from a spouse (would you go to as surgeon's spouse for surgery?).

- Her favorable words about the lifetime of experience he brings to the White House will be used AGAINST HER... kitchen sink crap is a bitch, HRC.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:41 AM
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12. i think obama has one more state senate experience than hillary does. n/t
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