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sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 08:10 AM
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I am an Obama supporter
and voted for him in the primaries, but I am beginning to think that he should drop out, but only if HRC names him the VP candidate.

This would set him up perfectly for 2012 or 2016 (depending if HRC won sought a second term). It would also give him the "experience" that some think he lacks.


Finally it would unite the party and we can concentrate on McCain.


But even if this doesn't happen, both candidates should concentrate on McCain and not each other.

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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 08:10 AM
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1. What kind of Obama supporter are you? Drop out when he's on top?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 08:11 AM
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2. I don't believe the one ahead is supposed to drop out
Shouldn't you wait and see?
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 08:12 AM
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3. I do not understand that logic.
How does disenfranchising so many voters whose primaries haven't happened yet "unite" the party?
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 08:12 AM
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4. you're not much of an obama supporter
do you show up at sporting events wearing a paper bag over your head too?
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 08:12 AM
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5. You're crazy.
It's Obama's Nomination to take. It's Hillary's decision of when she wants to admit defeat.
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islandmkl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 08:12 AM
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6. AYSM?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:00 PM
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24. Yeah!
What you said!
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 08:13 AM
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7. That's like telling a football team in the Super Bowl...
that had a bad third quarter to throw in the towel even they are up by two touch downs.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 08:13 AM
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8. with "support" like that, who needs enemies
Obama leads in pledged delegates, overall delegate count, states won and popular vote.
The Unity play is for Clinton to drop out; alas she will be around for a few more months.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 08:13 AM
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9. Why the hell should he drop out? You are being sucked in by the spin.
Hillary netted ONE delegate yesterday. ONE.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 08:14 AM
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10. WTF?
Why should he do that?

Hillary didn't score big yesterday.

He is about to win two more states in the next few days... probably by larger percentages than Hillary won.

Why the hell should he drop out and be Hillary's Al Gore (only without any power to do anything)?

Stop talking nonsense.
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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 08:23 AM
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11. He should stay in and run a dignified campaign
Hillary will need a miracle to catch up as far as pledged delegates. She could be as nasty as she wants and he can still win. There is no reason to leave. He should just take a different approach than Clinton. Instead of lowering himself (like Clinton lowered herself so much in this campaign to the point that her polarizing ass was visible) he should stay on message even if it means the nomination. Whatever happens, happens and whatever will be, will be.
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sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 08:27 AM
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12. I want to avoid
Edited on Wed Mar-05-08 08:29 AM by sabbat hunter
a nasty campaign that will split the party, cause a brokered convention and cost us the election in the fall at all costs.



I am open to suggestions on how to do this.
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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 08:33 AM
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14. Why shouldn't Clinton drop in your opinion?
Why Obama? She is the one who pretty much can't win the pledged delegate race.
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:02 PM
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26. He can't win the pledged delegate race either. Neither one of them can - unless the other dropped.
And that isn't going to happen.

We just have to wait for people to vote and the process to play out.
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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:31 AM
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28. Yes he can win the pledged delegates
But he can't win the nomination based on that since they need the superdelegates to reach the 2025 mark. It is going to the convetion unless something crazy happens. The primaries right now are nothing but a beauty contests. The super delegates hold the power now.

It would be nice if they can sit down and have a deal and start focusing on McCain.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:09 AM
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15. Ditto!
Now some will say he should take the lower ground and get more into negative spin and swift-boating like Hillary. I don't agree. There's a way to run a good strong campaign and stay out of that kind of sliming and below the belt tactics.

What attracts people to Obama is his attitude of balance and fairness, his ideals of a more civilized society. He should stick with that, while not failing to answer Hillary's attacks.
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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 08:27 AM
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13. With these candidates, that is the best scenario

Obama's not ready now, but he'll make a great President in eight years.


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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:14 AM
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18. He's winning
Who quits when they have a lead? How does that make any sense?
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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:58 PM
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20. He's a black Jimmy Carter waiting to happen

Sound bites and cult appeal do not a President make.


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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:11 AM
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16. drop out?
have you lost your mind?

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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:13 AM
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17. If he was, like, losing...I would totally agree
I just don't see what dropping out when you hold the lead accomplishes.

He would be known as a quitter for the rest of his political life.
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DogPoundPup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:19 AM
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19. Do you also write campaign trickery ads?
I am an Obama supporter BUT... LOL

SEE... A Win is Not a Win: Let's say Hillary Clinton romps to victory in Ohio and Texas and Rhode Island. Tens of thousands of extra voters. At most, a few extra delegates. But a win is a win, right? Twenty-four ... okay, forty-eight hours later, when the afterglow has faded and the Hill raisers are on vacation, Clinton delegate guru Harold Ickes will sit down at his desk, scratch his chest through the open folds of his shirt, and have the same problem he has right now: Barack Obama's earned delegate lead is virtually insurmountable.
http://thecurrent.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/03/a-win-is-not-a-win.php

AND... Hillary’s Math Problem: with the help of Slate’s Delegate Calculator I've scoped out the rest of the primaries, and even if you assume huge Hillary wins from here on out, the numbers don't look good for Clinton. In order to show how deep a hole she's in, I've given her the benefit of the doubt every week for the rest of the primaries.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/118240/output/print
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:59 PM
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21. .
Moles in the house!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:59 PM
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22. Not another shit on Obama thread
from an "Obama supporter"! hilary's VP my :kick:
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:00 PM
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23. HRC is trailing let her drop out
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:01 PM
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25. Wise words..
Welcome to DU, Upton!
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Not the Only One Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 11:08 PM
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27. With friends like you, who needs enemies
Hillary is losing! She should drop out if anyone should.
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:32 AM
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29. I think they should both stay in
At least for now.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:33 AM
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30. I had thoughts like that yesterday
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 07:34 AM by democrattotheend
And i think he should consider it if he loses Pennsylvania.

But if he were to make that kind of a deal, he should demand a promise (preferably a public one) that if they lose, she doesn't run again in 2012, as well as a substantive role in the administration. If he is going to step aside when he has more delegates he's in a pretty strong position to make those demands.

But I think this is premature...let's focus on winning PA first.
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