Tonight was a watershed moment for Hillary...here's why

[Justice Is Comin]

The heavyweights of the Democratic Party in my opinion wanted to support her all along but they needed this kind of sign. Tonight was the key.

She has won almost every big population state and only lost Missouri by a very small margin. Tonight showed not only the validity of her campaign but also turned almost certain humiliation into extraordinary jubilation.

Watch the endorsements line up now.

Biden
Richardson

and I believe the Big Kahuna saw what he needed to tonight to get onboard......John (Attorney General) Edwards !!

The train is steaming now

[Horse with no Name]

1. I adore John Edwards

I caucused for Hillary.
I hope he stays out of it though and doesn't endorse.

[Nutmegger]

12. This Edwards supporter absolutely agrees.

Edwards should stay out of the fray.

:hi:

[jgraz]

2. Too bad it's a waterboard moment for the rest of us

:hurts:

[leftstreet]

18. snap!

[krkaufman]

22. if only I could rec your comment. n/t

[TeamJordan23]

3. Bill Richardon this past weekend: "whoever is ahead in pledged delegates after March 4

Should be the nominee." (paraphrasing)

So don't count on that endorsement.

[in_cog_ni_to]

11. He backtracked on that statement today.

He said if Hillary won RI, OHIO AND Texas she should stay in the race because she would then have a chance to win. She DID win RI, Ohio AND Texas, so she's staying in....just like Richardson said she should.

[Horse with no Name]

15. Who the fuck is Bill Richardson to tell ANYONE anything?

Doesn't he have a state to run or voting machines to wipe or something?

[anamandujano]

23. What name recognition he has was given to him by Bill Clinton.

[Horse with no Name]

25. I can't stand him. n/t

[anamandujano]

42. Well, he did have a starring role in defusing a critical situation in Korea,

if anyone remembers. He got quite a reputation for pulling out some wins in scary negotiations.

He's not as much of a lightweight as people like to pretend.

I don't really dislike him at all, except when he turns on those who gave him what credentials he has.

[FedoraLV]

34. Name Recognition

Erm, isn't this also true of Hillary Clinton?

-FedoraLV

[jlake]

4. K&R ~ I think you're spot on.

[David Dunham]

7. A very likely scenario.

[in_cog_ni_to]

5. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. They will ALL endorse her now.

This was HUGE for Hillary!

[sandnsea]

6. Washington has a bigger population than Mass

Obama has won more blue states than Hillary. I don't think the leadership likes her quite as much as you think they do, or they'd have already endorsed her.

[tblue]

36. Yup. Which party bigwigs have endorsed her?

[ClayZ]

8. Bwahahahhahaha, you must be kidding!

:rofl:

Barack Obama is ahead, do the math!

[in_cog_ni_to]

16. That doesn't matter. If it's CLOSE, the Super Delegates can vote for whomever they choose.

Don't forget about MI and FL. Howard Dean NOW MUST deal with those states.

When she wins PA. things will change in a BIG way. I don't think you will be :rofl:

[The_Casual_Observer]

9. The Ohio victory was profound. Obama knows it.

Obama ran up against a stone wall.

[Blondiegrrl]

10. Not so fast. Richardson said the other day that whoever is leading

the race in overall pledged delegates after Tuesday primaries should be the nominee and the loser (that would be Clinton) should drop out, for the good of the party.

I highly doubt he would turn around and endorse Hillary when he clearly believes she's tearing apart the party.

[anamandujano]

14. See post #11.

[dansolo]

13. They are going to stay back

Obama is still in the lead. There is seven weeks until the PA primary. Any momentum from this will dissipate, especially if her delegate gains for the day are minimal.

[Tom Rinaldo]

17. I'm not at all sure they will endorse Hillary now

I kind of doubt it actually. But this stops the pressure on them to endorse Obama, and that is critical for Clinton. Now the race will go on to Pennsylvania at the very least. If Hillary wins big there, THEN I expect those endorsements to start falling for Clinton. She has no problem now waiting that long for those endorsements. PA can deliver them for her in time for that to influence the Super Delegates. It will also force the Democratic Party to find a way to let Florida and Michigan have a say in this contest.

[Justice Is Comin]

19. Another thing that this is going to force

something is aboslutely going to have to be done now to find a way to have the votes count in Florida and Michigan.

There is no way those states after tonight will go uncounted.

If they re-vote, it will be a Hillary clobbering. Even worse than the vote totals are now for obama.

The super delegates will then be the icing on the cake.


I'm confident tonight was the beginning of the exit for obama.

[JCMach1]

21. Excellent point, Obama needs to cut a deal on MI and FL to his advantage now

a revote in June would sink him.

[Horse with no Name]

28. They cannot and should not count Florida and Michigan

There is no way to estimate how many people did NOT vote because it didn't count...or who crossed over to vote republican.
I do NOT have a problem with the delegates being seated...but I truly believe that in the gesture of fair play...they would have to re-do their primary. I obviously CARE about who wins...otherwise I wouldn't vote...but I expect the process to be fair.

[JCMach1]

30. Note, I said deal... If they truly vote it could mean disaster

for Obama... They could cut deal for partial representation, or some such.


If they vote, Obama & Co. have some trouble.



They SHOULD NOT be disenfranchised from the process as some have suggested.

[Horse with no Name]

33. They should have followed the rules

But the state party should have to pay for that somehow and not the voters.
It's a bad deal all the way around.

[JCMach1]

41. fu$% the rules, what about democracy?

[KoKo]

47. Why should he exit when he could be VP and Unify the party?

There's no way the Party can lose his energy and the new voters he's brought into the process. The party would be split between Obama and Hillary supporters. The Party must go for Experience and Energy... If Hillary wins PA...then a compromise of both of them on the same ticket, is the way to go.

[Corkey Mineola]

20. Wise post

Choosing a nominee involves
a. primaries where rank and file voters elect pledged delegates
b. superdelegates act in the best interests of the party.

Hopefully part b will reflect the broader will of the electorate. But we will know a lot more about the feasibility of an Obama or Clinton candidacy by the convention.

The pledged delegate count difference will be small enough to justify action by superdelegates.

I hope the best candidate is selected. I think it could be either although I'm sweet on Hillary for a variety of reasons.

[Justice Is Comin]

26. Watch the news headlines in the morning papers.

They will be gigantic.

And the bucks will come pouring in.

[Levgreee]

24. Have we forgot Obama's 11 straight wins beforehand? Have those just disappeared?

[casus belli]

27. Might want to wait for delegate counts to start with the fantasy politics.

Obama will still be ahead in both popular vote and delegate counts. I'm not sure you're thinking this through if you're convinced that 3 wins out of 12 is all the supers needed to get on board the Hill-train.

[rodeodance]

29. oh gods yes!

[Window]

31. I keep hearing about Hillary winning the big states.

The "big" states that Hillary won almost always vote democratic. Obama would surely carry them in November.

Nothing changed much in delegates tonight, Obama's still very much ahead, and will win more states and delegates.


Spin on.

[Justice Is Comin]

35. That is correct--you do hear about Hillary winning all the largest

most populated states because she is.

But you would rather have the one who can win the states McCain is going to carry in a landslide. Talk about spin.

Wishin' and hopin'...plannin' and dreamin'.

[Window]

40. As I stated,

The "big" states she won, Obama will easily carry in the GE.


You need to stop "dreaming" and pay attention.

[tblue]

39. That's a really important point. Calif would easily become Obama Country!

I live in CA, and I know only 1 person who voted for Clinton. That was my hubby, and he could have voted for either one.

[LulaMay]

32. Yes! As Ohio goes, so goes the nation! GO HILLARY!

[anonymous171]

37. Obama will prove that wrong.

It's a new age and old superstitions shall have no power over us.

[TeamJordan23]

38. Tell that to JFK. nm

[Berry Cool]

43. Something's steaming, all right. n/t

[Orsino]

44. It's a little late to be discovering the "validity" of her campaign.

There's no need to flail about to find meaning in last night. She's a strong candidate and was going to win a lot of delegates. Obama's eleven straight was a statistical fluke, it seems, and not the voice of inevitability. Even if Clinton was unable to turn things around, she was always a "valid" candidate.

Just not quite strong enough to win the nomination. Yet.

[MoonRiver]

45. Justice is Coming, your name says it all!!

Great post! :hi:

[Avalux]

46. Just exactly what did Hillary do last night?

She won in states she was expected to win; just a couple of weeks ago she had 20 point leads in Ohio and Texas. After the dust settles she will have netted ONE delegate.

Obama is the one who trended up over the past couple of weeks, got close but didn't win the popular vote. He still stays on top with delegates.

I fail to see what all the excitement's about.

[Raffi Ella]

48. YES

I think NOW we will start seeing The Party Backing OUR WOMAN!

She did it!WE DID IT!And now The Party better step up and Let the World Know:Hillary has their STRONG SUPPORT.


WOOOOOo GO HILLARY!!!!GO!