Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

who else is done after tonight

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
johnnydrama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:44 AM
Original message
who else is done after tonight
Besides me? I just can't handle the minute by minute Obama said this, Clinton said that threads here anymore.

I just get too invested in it, and really nothing much is going to happen for 5 weeks. I'll probably get heavily invested again a week before PA.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:47 AM
Response to Original message
1. Let's start talking about real stuff then
Like beating McCain and taking our country back.

Just stay out of GD:P and you'll be fine.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:47 AM
Response to Original message
2. I think I'm going to take a time out, but I'll be listening and there's no
Edited on Wed Mar-05-08 01:51 AM by babylonsister
way I give up so easily.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:00 AM
Response to Reply #2
9. You may have lost your respect for me
But I would appreciate if you would stay because I STILL enjoy what you put out there.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:24 AM
Response to Reply #9
13. HwnN, I haven't lost respect for you.
I don't understand you. That is all. If you could explain that, it'd be nice.
And now? No way! It's late, but please don't think that.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:51 AM
Response to Original message
3. the wyoming primary is saturday
Edited on Wed Mar-05-08 01:53 AM by sweets
and mississippi is tuesday.

18 delegates for wyoming. 40 for mississippi.

can't rest yet.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
johnnydrama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:04 AM
Response to Reply #3
11. i know
i'll still be watching the results online and on the TV. But i think we pretty much know what will happen in the states between now and PA.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:54 AM
Response to Original message
4. i cam in yesterday. i will go out tonight and not be back. wait and see n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:57 AM
Response to Original message
5. I only got back in here like maybe 3 days ago after taking ....
most of the primary season off ...... on DU anyway. Too .... freaking crazy in here huh? Yea I'll be working outside of here for the next couple of weeks for the betterment of our country. But 'I'll be back' like the gov here in cali (asshole) :) ..... said. And if you are familiar with some of the very very 'sane' posters in here over the last few years, you'll notice they are missing too .... but they will be back at some point also. They are lurking ..... I feel their eyes reading in some posts time to time ..... ;) Keep your head up, see ya soon. Peace, :)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:57 AM
Response to Original message
6. me, ill be back before Puerto Rico.. untill then im off the minute by minute rollercoaster
cya all then
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:57 AM
Response to Original message
7. it`s nice to have the hide gd/p option
i`ll listen to air america for my news and post relevant news in gd and other forums. i`m really tired of being insulted because i support obama. i`m adult enough not to insult them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:59 AM
Response to Original message
8. Done from DU till June -- Nothing but negatives from Hillary and Good People put to wayside -- Bye
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:01 AM
Response to Reply #8
10. you've only been here 3 weeks
You don't have much stamina do you?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:07 AM
Response to Original message
12. be kind to yourself and limit your GDP intake
The lounge helps...A LOT. For current events, Latest News and GD work just fine.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jsmirman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:28 AM
Response to Original message
14. It's surely disheartening right now- we have some serious problems
Now, the weird thing in all this is what a dismal candidate John McCain is. He's extremely unappealing both physically and in spoken word. He'll handle himself reasonably competently on the trail, but there's a serious charisma deficit there. He's boring and he's stale and that can't be wished away. There's a truth to this that comes out when he makes victory speeches and when he debates. He's just not that compelling. Particularly stripped of his own "straight talk" mandate, which was the only compelling persona he's ever managed to adapt. But that's in the past.

He's also a serious danger to the country, not that this will have anything to do with his electability. I know people who have worked for him and the man has a straight up uncontrollable temper. He terrifies me. He's not even close to stable enough to be the leader of our country. So this, along with the potential continuation of the terrible damage the republicans have done to the country over the last eight years makes the stakes extremely high, as usual...

There's no question that tonight was an important night in the campaign. Hillary legitimately could have lost in Ohio or Texas or both. And if any of this had come to pass, this would be over.

But it didn't.

Now there's definitely some of the normal steroidal caca being talked on the tellie. Pennsylvania is the very similar to Ohio??? Are you BLEEPING serious? This statement is so stupid, everyone on CNN espousing it should have the stupid smacked out of their mouths.

This is not coming from someone running with some fanciful anti-talking head notion. I am speaking to you as someone who has studied the demographics of these two states in a professional, election-related capacity, and let me tell you, their statement is utter nonsense. ONE PORTION of Ohio is similar to *A* PORTION of Pennsylvania. That's it. Now first of all, Ohio has no representative part of its state. It's a mishmash of areas that look like the areas they border across state boundaries, all placed around a gooey slightly more conservative than the Ohio average center. But if there is an area that really doesn't resemble the state in both election returns and demographic components, it's that one part that looks like Western Pennsylvania. So aiming to take the results of Ohio and translate them to Pennsylvania is a fool's game.

I think there is an element in which this is good that Barack is being tested. We DO need to know how he is going to respond when faced with a pointed challenge- hell, HE needs to know how he's going to respond to this sort of situation if he's going to have the necessary legs for the general campaign.

But these results do occasion a reexamination of our two candidates. I just don't see how she's electable. I also have to confess that I totally don't get what is inspiring about her unless you are a woman and you find her being a womanness inspiring. Which I get, that just can't carry someone to victory. What else does she have that is truly hers and is unique that will make her anything other than a losing Democratic retread? Maybe I'm missing something, and I'm all ears. But she's still a woman and a Clinton, and that's a brutally hard sell. You also can't run a Clinton campaign without the charm of a Bill at the prow as your figurehead. I really believe that's a loser.

Now the wildcard is that McCain is also a particularly lousy candidate, as I note above.

Now with Barack we may have a real problem. As I've been trying to say in my discussion of Ohio, people need to not get carried away in realizing that we're talking about Ohio and Texas here. I want to believe that Ohio is a state that properly approached will be a great state someday, but right now, it's not. Ohio and Texas are two politically disfunctional states, where bad ideas and bad politics have carried the day for way too many years. They were crucial wins for Hillary, but I don't think they are as representative as results from a broad patchwork of states around the entire country. But I think there is a real chance that this country is not ready to elect a black man. I'm far from shocked that we seem to have seen some of this as a ghost in the numbers tonight.

He also may, indeed, be too callow, and this is why putting him to a testing point as he has been put to now has some positive aspects. But we're going to see if he's more than a pretty face and a pretty speech in these next weeks.

I don't see how Hillary can be a winner. I *do* see how Obama can be a winner, but there are aspects he brings to the table that may make him a candidate who can't win either. Ohio and Texas ARE precisely representative of the type of states that can bring some serious prejudice to bear in their politics. And if he can't handle a stock in trade assault of the type Hillary has unleashed, he isn't going to be a winner in November.

Again, the wildcard is McCain's inherent faultiness.

A general election between McCain and Hillary would, in my opinion, be a battle between two cartoonishly uncharismatic candidates. Would a battle between McCain and Obama be a battle between the unfit to lead and the not ready to lead? I don't know yet.

If I believed Hillary could win, I would be more able to accept a knife and lawyer victory by her for the nomination, which is the only nomination victory I think she would be able to win. I don't think any other is available to her. But I don't. I don't think we can win without a candidate who can change the face of a general campaign by changing the traditional Democrat-Republican breakdown. I don't think we can win the GE without a candidate who inspires. I've hoped that Obama has it within him to be a candidate who can do that while also presenting the essential characteristics of a winning candidate (just bringing some new voters to the table, just changing the breakdown of the voting, without being able to win the down and dirty fighting of a campaign is still a loser and a non viable option)- I think we are about to find out what he is made of.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:34 AM
Response to Reply #14
16. Wow. That was a great post.
On point, front to back. Welcome to DU.

- as
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jsmirman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:42 AM
Response to Reply #16
18. Thank you very much
I wish I knew how to get people to read it, not that I come to any clarifying conclusions, I'm afraid. I would have loved to post it as a topic starter, but, of course, I don't have enough posts to start a topic...

This is not a disastrous result, but it is worrisome to be in such an uncertain position when they have such a vulnerable candidate (McCain). Unfortunately, like I say, I think it may be a necessary part of our process.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:53 AM
Response to Reply #18
20. Signal to noise is especially bad in here.
But it sure is a joy to come across the odd post that doesn't contain the terms 'Obamabots' or 'Hil Shills' or whatever else the satirical masterminds in here cook up. :)

Keep posting. I think you have to hit a certain number of posts before you can start threads, and yours will be read if they're on the level of the one in this thread.

Cheers.

- as
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jsmirman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 03:00 AM
Response to Reply #20
22. Thanks for the encouragement
the funny thing for me is that I'm much more a statistics guy than a political wonk.

What signal I can find in these forums is very informative for me, but you're right, you better be ready to do some sifting.

What I know of politics is on the level of reasonably intelligent, member of the public consumer.

Some of the statistical/demographic work I've done is not run of the mill member of the public stuff. It's a weird disconnect, probably because I care so much about the results of elections and love working with numbers, but am generally so appalled by politics and embarrassed for most politicians.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:49 AM
Response to Reply #14
19. This is a bookmark, thanks, and
Obama is not callow. He's convinced, and so am I. How's that?

Vote for the most honest person imo.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jsmirman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 03:04 AM
Response to Reply #19
23. Unfortunately, we need to win
I know how I voted when it was time to pull the lever in my primary, but you have to figure out a win-result strategy in the nasty world of politics. I do think that just being honest is not enough to be president, although my gut tells me that Obama is the person I most trust with the job. But I am very interested to see what he will do over the next month. My gut needs to be supplemented with more information.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 03:08 AM
Response to Reply #23
26. Breathe. You will figure it out. I already have. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 03:00 AM
Response to Reply #14
21. Hillary is inspiring
her sheer brilliance and command of the issues is dazzling

how can you be deaf to that?

she is phenomenal!

McCain would be a terrible threat, to our safety, to the environment, to world peace, to our economy

McCain is bad news

a big advantage he's got, unfortunately, is that if thing stay the same in Iraq between now and November, well....Iraq isn't quite as galvanizing now as it was just a few months ago even.....

even some americans opposed to the invasion are now lulled into thinking we're making some progress.....of course we're not really, but perception is reality for many.....

so McCain could attract those voters

I think with a good campaign, Hillary can beat McCain....so, too, can Obama

we just have to get this nomination resolved soon and focus our energies on winning the GE
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jsmirman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 03:09 AM
Response to Reply #21
27. Thanks for your reply, but I'm still not seeing inspiration there
George Will has a fairly dazzling command of most issues, and I find him thoroughly UN-inspiring.

There are plenty of brilliant people in this world, and there are plenty of people who have a comprehensive command of the issues. In fact, I think Obama is a mental giant, and he has easily distinguished himself as much as Hillary on the count of poised command of the issues.

So I'm asking you- and not asking this to be rude, but asking you to search for your answer again- what is it about Hillary that is unique, what inspiring stands and passions do you see within Hillary, what is the burning flame at the heart of her campaign? I just don't see it, but as I said before, I'm all ears.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
phrenzy Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 03:23 AM
Response to Reply #27
31. Your post should have its own thread
We need an "Official Dispassionate Electability Thread"
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jsmirman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 03:26 AM
Response to Reply #31
32. Feel free to borrow it, if you would like
I don't have enough posts to do the honors...

I can't claim to be fully dispassionate, I have to admit, though. I've never mastered that art.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 03:09 AM
Response to Reply #14
28. What's left to be said?
You said it all and you said it very well. Welcome to DU!!!!!! And now I'm going to bed.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jsmirman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 03:16 AM
Response to Reply #28
30. Many thanks. I just wish it could be easier for us
but then again, our best candidate during the course of my lifetime was such a deeply flawed individual that the failure of his promise was an inherent part of his package from the start.

(and by this I mean that Clinton is the only halfway decent candidate we've had in my lifetime- he was my "first year in college, gather around the communal room tv" candidate and he disappointed me in so many ways.)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:32 AM
Response to Original message
15. I get far too invested in it too
I can only do what I can do. I cannot win this for anybody by myself. I take it all far too personal. I will not say I'm done, but I am going to try to be less tied up with it all.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:35 AM
Response to Original message
17. I'm not done, but I will go back to spending most of my time in the forums that I belong in
I've only been reading here and posting (a small amount) because I was so thrilled about what was taking place in my state.

Not the best of ideas all things considered, but it was primary related and this is the place for such.

I'm sure I'll poke in from time to time, but my true love on DU is LBN. The meat of the issues are masticated there on a daily basis.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 03:04 AM
Response to Original message
24. We'll get a break
Edited on Wed Mar-05-08 03:07 AM by blogslut
Wyoming is on the 8th and Mississippi is on the 11th. Then there's not one blessed primary/caucus on the slate until Pennsylvania on April 22. The campaigns will go on but the fervor will recede, for a while anyway.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 03:05 AM
Response to Original message
25. I'll be logging out tomorrow morning.
I live in PA and there's too much to do.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 03:09 AM
Response to Reply #25
29. Ha! I love you! Hugs. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sat May 04th 2024, 06:33 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC