So . . . what's the excuse for the exit polls being off by about 15 points THIS TIME?

[mistertrickster]

Obama and Clinton were TIED in Ohio in the exit polls.

And then she "wins" by 15 points.

Yup, nothing to see here . . .

[The_Casual_Observer]

1. He lost, that's the excuse.

[Blue_State_Elitist]

2. And his same old speech is falling flat.

[FedoraLV]

30. Yup, that's what Bush said

about Gore and Kerry.

Glad to hear that canard again: its grasp of statistics and the realities on the ground reassure me that that's a deep as I need to go in my political analysis.

(I am sorry to hear a Democrat saying it -- or anything Shrub said.)

-FedoraLV

[helderheid]

35. Pull that card out when McCain wins. :)

[JorgeTheGood]

3. Anyone remember what Zogby had on OH and TX .. n/t

[JCMach1]

34. Zogby has pulled another CA out of his bag- he has 0% credibility at this point

[tritsofme]

4. Massive voter fraud!!!!

Anytime my candidate loses it because of vote fraud!!1!!!1!

[jgraz]

5. Our election process is sickening. We can never trust the results until we get rid of the machines.

[helderheid]

36. read my sig line...

:yourock:

Who won? Who knows! :shrug:

[CTD]

6. They haven't counted Cleveland yet. The final margin will be a good bit tighter.

nt

[spooky3]

7. the Cols. Dispatch predicted a 15 point win for her

And aren't exit polls done ONLY with people who voted today? A lot of Ohio voters voted before today.

[mistertrickster]

9. That's not an exit poll. If you say the exit polls "don't matter" now, then why

did they matter so much when Bush stole the election in Ohio?

[spooky3]

11. (a) I didn't say what you quoted.

(b) The CNN exit polls also were consistent with a Clinton victory.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#OHDEM

on edit: if you calculate the margin given the first set of exit poll #s (gender X candidate) you'll see the exit polls were consistent with a 55% - 45% (i.e., about a 10 %-age point) Clinton margin of victory.

Re-read my earlier post to reconcile the #s.

(c) As others have said, the final margin will likely be narrower than the current 15%.

[mistertrickster]

15. Of course, anybody can post an accurate exit poll AFTER the results are already determined.

The pre-results polls showed a virtual tie.

[spooky3]

16. please provide a link to those

[mistertrickster]

19. This shows Obama LEADING or TIED in all four races.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4885977

[spooky3]

24. those appear to be EARLY exit polls, from just small subsets of voters

not necessarily representative of the state, e.g., they could have come from a city rather than suburbs, rural, etc., or vice versa, rather than a representative mix.

[spooky3]

25. the results had not been determined at the time CNN posted those

exit poll results I linked -- they are only now being finalized. Now would be the time you should compare screen shots.

[mistertrickster]

38. I didn't see a time stamp on them, did you? Where was it? nt

[rosetta627]

8. Is diebold used there?

???

[mistertrickster]

10. Hell, yes. How do you think Bush "won" in 2004. nt

[rosetta627]

12. Oh yeah, duh, how could I forget about that?

The epicenter, co-chair of Bush campaign = head of diebold, Blackwell the SOS...
'Kay, it all makes sense now.
Like her "win" in NH.

[ShaneGR]

40. Ummmm, SoS Bruner removed many of the computers a year ago...

For example, ALL of cuyahoga county voted paper.

[Radical Activist]

13. The gap is going to close as more results come in.

It will be closer by the end of the evening.

[samdogmom]

14. Interesting!

I posted this earlier tonight:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4887902

and was assured by some Ohioans that things are greatly improved there.


HMMMMMMM!!!!!!!

Our country is paying big time for flaws in Ohio and Florida's ability to count the votes properly. Other states may also be guilty of fraud, but these two are the poster boys for our country. I'll always be skeptical of results in these two states.

How does that saying go? "Fool, me once...shame on you! Fool me twice..........."

[meow mix]

17. the amazing part was tim russert just listing off the obama predictions

they have been exactly right. everything that happened tonight was expected by obama

[mistertrickster]

20. Yup, I heard that too. Looks like Obama may win more delegates no matter who "wins" where. nt

[adoraz]

18. she leaded huge in early voting

[barb162]

21. People lie at exit polls; I don't even know why they bother with exit polls.

[BadgerLaw2010]

22. I can bend reality and I don't like Obama supporters. So sorry.

[mistertrickster]

23. Better leave humor posts to people who actually funny, Badger. nt

[2rth2pwr]

26. Those Clintons are good, give Obama the win in

11 straight states so they could pull off the last minute comeback. Very tricky.

[Barack_America]

27. Hispanics.

Exit polls have been consistently off in states with large Hispanic populations.

They were wrong in NM, AZ and now TX.

Ohio is just a fucked up state. There is no explanation for it.

[althecat]

28. ...

[althecat]

29. Yip.

[mistertrickster]

37. beleive is spelled "believe," jeez, dude . . . nt

[JoFerret]

31. Hillary won.

.

[MadBadger]

32. The question is why were the Exit Polls so wrong originally in Rhode Island

[Peace Patriot]

33. Please see my letter to Obama supporters--it's about this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4899410

[mistertrickster]

39. Brilliant letter, PP. I k'd and r'd it. nt