20% of Ohio white voters said race was an important factor in their vote

[TeamJordan23]

80% voted for Hillary.

Pretty sad.

Heard on MSNBC.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

1. Let's not start a "Hillary is racist" BS argument.

Not directed at you, but at the possible direction of this thread.

[TeamJordan23]

I'm not, I meant its pretty sad for Ohio Dems. nm

[lapfog_1]

20. Hillary isn't a racist, as far as I know.

However, many of her supporters in Ohio, apparently, are.

[Strelnikov_]

45. Of course not. I mean, that, you know, there is no basis for that.

I take her on the basis of what she says. And, you know, there isn't any reason to doubt that.

[lapfog_1]

51. LOL... - n/t

[knixphan]

77. classic

[PITBOS]

85. Hillary sure played that race card though. She will do

ANYTHING to win, including dividing the country and fanning divisions. She has no problem sliming everyone

[jgraz]

91. She's not a racist, but she plays one on TV

Which is worse: being an actual, sincere racist or just using racism to win elections? I know which on I'd pick.

[zabet]

2. Did they do a similar report

on the averages concerning
African-American voters and Obama?

[islandmkl]

11. let's line up all the white people on one side of the field...

and line up all the black people on the other side...




it's going to take a lot of fancy math to make both sides mathematically even...


draw yourself a graph or something to get some mathematical perspective..

[zabet]

27. Got it.

OK to highlight how white people vote.
NOT OK to ask if they did the same for
the African-American vote. Hell, I put
'African-American' in a post again.
To be sure it is done with racist intent. :sarcasm:

:eyes:

[Bobbieo]

29. Hey folks, there more minorities involved than black folk, here - you

are overlooking Hispanics and Native Americans plus others.

[tyne]

37. Excuse me

but AA's have always went for dems and they've always been white. So...that doesn't make sense.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

40. The data was for both

20% of voters factored race

80% of those voted for Hillary
20% of those voted for Obama

[NMMNG]

57. That's totally different you know

They're all voting for him based on his policies.

[NC_Nurse]

3. OMG.

That is disgusting.

[Bobbieo]

4. Unfortunately, that is a reality of life in the US of A..

[demo dutch]

6. I've been saying it and noone want to hear it on DU

[skooooo]

10. How did he win so many white states then??

[demo dutch]

19. These are open primaries OH and TX

[skooooo]

33. did you answer my question?

no.

[woolldog]

31. There are some states that have a reputation

as being more racist than others. Ohio, Florida are up there. Never thought Obama had a chance in Ohio and Florida, though I didn't think it's be this big a factor in the dmocratic primary. That's what suprises me. I'm also surprised 20% of voters were so open about it. There are probably many who weren't so open but were similarly motivated.

[demo dutch]

69. Florida was a closed primary

[skooooo]

8. Obviously it's not the reality....duh

Since Obama's won a lot of nearly-all-white states!!!

[lumberjack_jeff]

5. What the fuck is the matter with you guys? n/t

[Name removed]

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[high density]

I know, sadly, a few people like that

Nothing is going to change them at this point in the game.

[curvy rider]

44. Voters should focus on the issues

Not on trivial stuff such as race, character, etc.
Al Gore was vilified for things such as wearing a funny-colored tie; Howard Dean was crucified for a scream, etc.
Issues should decide elections.

[Tarheel_Dem]

88. yes, but it's still disappointing to know that this is the state of the

"DEMOCRATIC" party. Unfortunately, whoever limps to the nomination after this, will be doomed. The party is split along racial/ethnic lines, and tonight's results in Ohio are proof of that.

It reminds me of a conversation I had with a Repub co-worker in '04, when he asked why blacks voted as a block for the Democratic Party, and at the time I thought the answer should be obvious. But as this race has dragged on & on, I'm finding that he was right to question the lopsided AA loyalty to the Dem Party. Loyalty should work both ways, and I thought the Dixiecrats had been banished from the party long ago. Sadly, I was wrong.

After this, I think blacks as a community, should really do some soul searching about the unreciprocated loyalty. And that makes me really sad.

[557188]

9. What about blacks voting for Obama based on race?

That is just as sad and pathetic.

[CalGator]

17. or women voting for Hillary because she's a woman

just saying.

[cali]

42. no, it's not. blacks have been voting for white candidates

for years and years. they haven't had many opportunities to vote for a black candidate. It's about hope and pride for them if they are basing part of their decision for voting for Obama on race. Whites not voting for a black candidate because of his race? That's called racism. duh. learn a little fucking history.

[LisaL]

54. And women had no opportunity to vote for a woman

president.
And there were almost 20 % more women than men voting in Democratic Primary in OH.

[cali]

58. and? what does that have to do with my post.?

[BlackmanX]

61. A woman was vp nominee in 1984

Hillary is just the first women trying to be on the top of a major ticket. How many blacks have even been on a major party ticket?

[557188]

66. VP?!?!

WOW...a woman was a VP in a landslide election!

That is total justification for black people to be racist and vote on their skin color!

Its pathetic either way.

[Name removed]

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[cali]

73. no, it's historically accurate. What you're spewing by

refusing to it is purely racist crap. Congratulations. The fact is that some whites will not vote for a black because they're racist. Blacks overwhelmingly have voted for white candidates over and over. Refusing to admit this is YOU buying into racism. And I'd say this even if I didn't support Obama.

[knixphan]

83. wow - we're all pathetic scum?

I'm an O-team player, and I'm AA, AND I agree that skin color is a non-issue.

any 'isms are a detriment.

Now, on with getting the best candidate elected!

[William769]

60. That is the biggest pile of shit I think I have ever seen on DU.

How long did it take you to accumulate it?

[cali]

74. bullshit and bullshit that buys into racism is what you're spewing

Fact: Blacks have voted for white candidates for decades and decades. Fact: Whites who say they vote on race and vote for a white candidate over a black candidate, are racists. Even a moron could figure that out. Or someone who isn't a flat out racist.

[LisaL]

76. So, if a black person votes for a black candidate and

says race matters, that's pride?
But if a white person votes for a white candidate and says race matters, it's racism?
O'key.

[William769]

81. I believe it's called ebonics.

[William769]

79. Racism s racism, no matter how you try to spin it.

If you vote for a candidate based on color thats racism.

[Bake]

87. Exactly. If whites do it, it's "racist"

But if blacks vote overwhelmingly for Obama it's based on the issues ...

Riiiiiiiiight.

Bake

[rosetta627]

12. Yeah, that's repulsive

Hillary wins the racist demographic hands down.

[LucyParsons]

My home county in East Texas

is going 575% to 35% for Hillary (with a full 4.5% going to Edwards). I view this as a positive improvement. Our black population is maybe 20%. So that means that a not insignificant number of white folks voted for Obama. Which surprises me.

Sad but true.

[NJSecularist]

13. Pretty pathetic

A good part of Hillary's base in Ohio is racist whites.

[Xipe Totec]

14. Race is the most important factor in any election

If you don't run, you can't win.

That's why it's called a race.

:rofl:

[Azathoth]

15. Hillary has been aggressively courting that vote every since SC

No surprise.

[islandmkl]

16. IT'S OHIO...and on the other hand....

IT'S EARLY!!!

[LisaL]

18. Did they ask black voters the same question?

[ShaneGR]

21. Out of curiosity, do you think it will only be important to 20% in the general election?

I'd bet its more than that.

[TheWebHead]

22. enough of the "it's just like blacks voting for Obama" bullsh**

if the next 43 U.S. presidents are black, and their is still a support among blacks 30+ above the general electorate for the candidate, then yeah, it is an issue. Otherwise, it's not even remotely comparable.

[aquarius dawning]

28. yeah, it's just very coincidental at this point. Move along. Nothing to see here.

[woolldog]

48. Thanks.

Nice to see someone gets it.

[aquarius dawning]

23. But it's OK that 90% of blacks are voting for Obama. That's a different story entirely

cuz it's Barack Obama.

[stillcool]

47. Yeah really...Imagine...

a black man with the audacity to be a viable candidate for the Presidency. The whole idea that he could be where he is, is preposterous. I'm shocked that only 20% of white people say his race is the reason why they won't vote for him. Americana.

[stillcool]

24. It is the nature of the environment...

in which you live. Some people get out and see another slice of life, some people hold on to that shit until the day they die.

[MidwestTransplant]

25. If 20% admit it, you can be sure 30% thought it.

[LisaL]

26. And Obama is getting 80-90% if black vote.

I am just wondering if race matters there.

[MidwestTransplant]

55. I don't know but until late this fall, Hillary was winning the black vote handily.

[xxqqqzme]

30. I heard that as well. My jaw dropped.

I had no idea Ohio was so racist. Of course w/ outstanding publicans like ken blackwell, it isn't too surprising.

[Unsane]

32. Pretty bad when Texas is more progressive than Ohio!

[aquarius dawning]

34. I voted against him not because he's black but because his supporters are a bunch of assholes.

[readmoreoften]

38. Me too. I'm voting more against his supporters than I am against him.

I'm an Edwardian and Clinton/Obama were tied for last place. If it hadn't've been for McClurkin and DU Obamites, I almost certainly would've voted for Obama.

[woolldog]

50. that's an even dumber reason

to vote against him. I could understand the former, but not the latter.

[aquarius dawning]

56. Sorry but it's 100% true. Too many lines have been crossed by his rabid supporters.

This is personal now.

[woolldog]

63. You really need to get a grip on reality.

DU is not real life. I hate the Hillary supporters here but would never make a decision based on some turds on an internet message board. That's lame.

I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and just assume you're being a drama queen b/c I've read your posts and you don't seem that ridiculous.

[aquarius dawning]

75. Don't impose your reality on me. This is well past business as usual.

The Obama crew seriously turned me off and it isn't just the DU crew. This entire campaign has been a viscous cycle of line crossing and personal attacks and, as such, it is completely personal now and I suspect it is the same for most everyone else. This isn't an election anymore, it's a feud.

[woolldog]

78. ha

:rofl:

[NashVegas]

35. You Are So FUCKING Wrong

Of the 20% who said race was important, 57% broke for Clinton, and 43% broke for Obama.


Are you going to condemn those who said race was important and voted for Obama, as well?

Are you going to condemn the 90% or so of black people who voted for Obama racists?




The above numbers are based on CNN exit polls.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

41. ...

[elixir]

36. How sad that our exit polls ask these types of questions. Maybe they should ask about gays.

[MadMaddie]

39. It is pretty sad but if you are minority like myself it's understood.

There are racist in America - it is what it is. I don't lose sleep over it..I figure that there is something within themselves that they loath so much that they project it on others they deem inferior.

No loss to me..There are plenty of wonderful people of all races that are good people, happy people that don't waste their time on petty shit.

That's all...

[readmoreoften]

43. I'll need a link on that one. Every piece of trash someone overhears isn't news. /nt

[Nia Zuri]

46. Not surprising...I'm from ohio, very racist state

One of the reasons I go the hell out of there

[polticalpout]

52. No need to attack the whole state

Most of us are not racist and are proud Ohioans.

[Nia Zuri]

67. You are right. My apologies...I shouldn't condemn the whole state...

I just have a lot of bad memories of whites growing up in the Cleveland area.

[polticalpout]

53. No need to attack the whole state

Most of us are not racist and are proud Ohioans.

[polticalpout]

49. This is what worries me about the general election

We have 7 months to educate the masses who are afraid of a black President, it's not going to be easy folks.

[zalinda]

62. Does that also mean that every black person

who voted for Obama is racist against Clinton? Because I'm sure 80% of blacks voting for Obama are voting for him because he's black.

zalinda

[Nia Zuri]

64. Many, many blacks were committed to Clinton early on and have only come over

to Obama recently. One of my sisters voted for Clinton, the other for Obama. Clinton could have had the black vote, but they screwed it up badly.

[demo dutch]

72. She had the black vote until they felt confident about Obama, then they swung over

[Nia Zuri]

65. Many, many blacks were committed to Clinton early on and have only come over

to Obama recently. One of my sisters voted for Clinton, the other for Obama. Clinton could have had the black vote, but they screwed it up badly.

[sjdnb]

68. The M$M finally finds a way to start the 'ultimate fighting match'

this primary (ratings) season .... and everyone is falling in line, just as they suspected they would.

How sadly, predictable.

[Perky]

70. Downscale voters

[Meshuga]

71. Is that an exit poll question or are you coming to that conclusion

by looking at the votes?

[Tarheel_Dem]

90. Sadly, it was an exit poll question..Nora O'Donnell on MSNBC. n/t

[whatchamacallit]

80. They'll never admit it but there's some haters here too

[TheWraith]

82. That's very pathetic for Ohio.

Kansas votes for the black man, but 20% of Ohio can't? Idiots.

[knixphan]

84. Bigger issue is...

Hill started out WITH the black advantage. Most of my friends, actually.

She lost it to Barack. By her own actions, and those of her hubby. She could have retained the 'black vote', but she didn't know how.

[aquarius dawning]

89. yeah, if only she could have been born black. She would have done much better with black voters then

LOL

[theredpen]

86. On CNNs site it doesn't say "white" voters.

It just says "voters."

Black voters went overwhelmingly for Obama, and it is probably a safe assumption that some of them wanted to support the guy who may be our first black president.

This is not an indictment of Hillary Clinton at all, but speaks poorly of the Ohio Democrats (or one in five of them, at least).

Let's all just try to remember Idaho. Idaho is the whitest state in the union with 95% of the population being white. Even more significant is the fact that you are twice as likely to encounter a Native American in Idaho than an African American. Nevertheless, the state went 79% for Obama. Let's all hear it for those potato-growing mofos.

[yellerpup]

92. My friend from Rhode Island said the same thing

that very few whites there would not vote for an African-American candidate.

[mzmolly]

93. MSNBC keeps stoking this fire. Race as a factor could mean "electability"

in the eyes of voters. While "I" personally feel Obama is more electable. I would like to ask how many Obama voters felt that Gender was important?

Tsk tsk.