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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 03:21 PM
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Poll question: Who did Hillary hurt more by saying McCain better president than Obama: Obama, McCain, or her?
Edited on Tue Mar-04-08 03:25 PM by yurbud
A link to the story in case you missed it:
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/03/01/politics/fromtheroad/entry3896372.shtml

“I think you'll be able to imagine many things Senator McCain will be able to say,” she said. “He’s never been the president, but he will put forth his lifetime of experience. I will put forth my lifetime of experience. Senator Obama will put forth a speech he made in 2002.”
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 03:22 PM
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1. She hurt anyone running against McCain since McCain has experience
and neither Clinton nor Obama do
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 03:24 PM
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2. on foreign policy, McCain's experiencelike Hillary's: consistently choosing to do the wrong thing
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surfin Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 05:39 PM
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21. Amen here
I saw McCain using her thoughts on MSNBC. Maybe when she drops out, she will work for John on stragety as they have the same experience.
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dempartisan23 Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 03:36 PM
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12. mccain has alot more experience than hillary
i assume hillary will vote for mccain.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 03:24 PM
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3. She did not say what you allege she said. Sham allegation. Sham poll.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 03:28 PM
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4. A straw poll based on a lie
Edited on Tue Mar-04-08 03:29 PM by billbuckhead
This is the new politics the Obama movement brags about?
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 03:29 PM
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5. You have LESS experience than McCain, Hillary
Edited on Tue Mar-04-08 03:38 PM by rocknation
So it doesn't behoove you to trade on the fact that your opponent has LESS experience than you. Never mind looking at it "politically"--it's a grade-A gaffe.

"That is what you say if you want to be McCain's choice for Vice President. It is not what you say if you are running for the Democratic nomination." --Rachel Maddow

:(
rocknation
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 03:30 PM
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6. Same old lie being repeated
Hillary never said that McCain would be a better President. She said she compares up against him better than Obama does in the area of experience. Obama never argued that he had more experience than Joe Biden or Bill Richardson. He admitted that was not true. He just claimed to have enough experience and better ideas and judgment than his Democratic opponents.

Do you think if Obama agreed that Biden had more experience than himself that he would have thereby endorsed Biden by saying so? Do you think that if he avoided saying that Biden had more experience than Obama that the voters would not notice that fact on their own?
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 03:32 PM
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8. Biden is in his party
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 03:42 PM
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15. Actually Obama said that if the campaign was about experience then there was no need for primaries
Biden should be President.

And for the record - Biden is a Democrat.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 05:40 PM
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22. All that PLUS the fact he didn't say
"Biden should be president, and Edwards (or whoever) should go home."

It was a good opportunity to both say something positive about Biden, also make people think about what the right balance between experience and judgement is (Not to say that Biden doesn't have good judgement.), and most importantly, HE DIDN'T THROW ANYONE UNDER THE BUS WITH THAT REMARK.

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 03:32 PM
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7. DH just sent me this from CNN's homepage today:
Who would you prefer to have answer a White House crisis phone call at 3 a.m.?

Hillary Clinton
25%
73771

Mike Huckabee
6%
17708

John McCain
32%
94769

Barack Obama
37%
110936

Total Votes: 297184



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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 03:35 PM
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10. the reality is, if the phone rings at 3 am, it's a corporation demanding prez put down the peasants
at their banana plantation, sweatshop, or oil well.

I wish to fuck someone would bother to ask them about that: how many of our foreign policy crises are created by putting corporations first, ahead of human rights, democracy, and the economic rights of other countries?
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 03:33 PM
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9. Do NOT use the CBS quote
it is either a "clean up" effort by CBS or her campaign or from a different speaking engagement.

Here is the actual quote from the video, word for word...

"I think that I, uh, have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. Uh, I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience that he will bring to the White House and Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002."

The video is here so you can look for yourself...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou4JnWQsxKw

And the accurate quote is just SOOO much worse than the quote used by CBS in their story.

Here is what I wrote about it in another thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4873371&mesg_id=4873556

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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 03:36 PM
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11. i voted "other".
she hurt the democratic party.
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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 03:40 PM
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13. Amen!
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 03:45 PM
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16. How right you are. It's a sad day for Democrats.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 03:53 PM
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19. if we don't stick together and support
whoever the candidate is we're going to have 4 more years of bush. McCain will just continue his policies. :scared:
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 03:40 PM
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14. Neat.
It's always interesting to see someone who doesn't let the mere truth get in the way of the political points they want to score.
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Sir Jeffrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 03:45 PM
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17. She hurt Obama...
That will not be readily apparent until McCain starts running the ads against Obama with Clinton's soundbite.

I have no problem with Hillary drawing distinctions on experience. What I do have a problem with is her running the Republican playbook against Obama and giving the Republicans free research into what attacks work on Obama and what doesn't work. Ordinarily, McCain, the RNC and the 527's would have to do their own research, focus groups, and pay for their own advertisements. Instead, Hillary is taking money from Democratic voters and using it to aid John McCain's GE strategy.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 03:51 PM
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18. she certainly did give the repubs
ammunition that they don't need. they'll be coming up with enough stuff on their own without dems helping them. Jesus H. Christ.:crazy:
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 05:33 PM
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20. that's weird--only one person thinks they're Bush
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 05:42 PM
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23. That's HIM!
Edited on Tue Mar-04-08 05:43 PM by FlyingSquirrel
Silly, didn't you know he comes here?

If only Skinner would tombstone his ass.

:D
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 01:06 AM
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24. I think this is a little too text-based for him. He might understand the star, pencil and key
at the top of the page. The rest would just be squiggly lines.
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