Hillary would be tombstoned on DU

[sellitman]

If she posted what she said about McCains experience vs Obama's on DU.

She crossed the line.

I hope Obama takes Texas & Ohio just so she stops giving McCain any more ammo than she already has.

[jlake]

1. Obama would have been TSed long ago for praising Ronald Reagan.

[Occam Bandage]

2. Saying he changed the country and had ideas ain't praising him. It's saying he was

effective for his party. Hitler changed his country and had ideas; claiming that isn't "praising" Adolf Hitler.

Hillary, on the other hand, just endorsed McCain over Obama.

[jlake]

8. And where did Hilly "endorse" McCain? She said he had more experience

....and if you are going to dispute that you need to be institutionalized.

[Occam Bandage]

13. And Zell Miller just said John Kerry voted against a military spending bill. If you are going

to dispute that you need to be institutionalized.

[Pryderi]

21. Hillary did endorse McCain over Obama when she said, "

"he will put forth his lifetime of experience. I will put forth my lifetime of experience. Senator Obama will put forth a speech he made in 2002."

[jlake]

29. Statement of facts is not an endorsement.

[Pryderi]

47. That's really disingenuous on your part. Obama brings MORE than

just a speech to the presidency. Hillary's lack of character and class should make any person reject supporting her.

[jlake]

49. Obama brings a corporate backed empty suit who gave a speech HE DID NOT WRITE

and has since copied everything from a union slogan to a book title in order to speechify to the masses.
He is a snakeoil salesman of the worst kind.
Hillary is the real deal!
Get Real!

[Occam Bandage]

55. Obama didn't write that speech? That's a new one on me. Link?

[jlake]

60. What's really funny is the part of my statement that you chose to dispute.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

It speaks volumes.

Typical Obama.

[Occam Bandage]

61. The inaccurate headline?

Man, you're fillin' up a whole truck of fail today.

[Pryderi]

71. What's really funny is how blind you are to Zellary's endorsement of McCain over a dem

I feel sorry for you.

[baldguy]

65. Obama brings a lifetime of expierence as a Harvard-trained lawyer, a community activist

and as a state legislator.

Hillary brings a lifetime of expeirence as a wife.

[jlake]

73. Sexist. and whaterver a "community activist" is.... where does the paycheck come from -

Rezko?

[baldguy]

74. Disingenuous - maybe. But no more so than Hillary was being.

If only blinded Clintonites spent as much time & energy & effort keeping her honest as they do promoting lies & unwarranted attacks on Obama we'd all be much better off.

[bigtree]

9. He praised him all right. He thought it would earn him some points

with all of the republicans voting for him in the open primary states.

[anigbrowl]

15. Even if this were true, did he compare Hillary unfavorably with Reagan?

"I think you'll be able to imagine many things Senator McCain will be able to say. He’s never been the president, but he will put forth his lifetime of experience. I will put forth my lifetime of experience. Senator Obama will put forth a speech he made in 2002."

[bigtree]

32. he trashed her husband, a Democratic, two-term president, in the same breath

that he was praising Reagan.

[Occam Bandage]

37. Trashed? He said that Clinton didn't change the direction of the country. He didn't.

"The era of big government is over"--Bill Clinton, SOTU, 1996.

[bigtree]

56. that's right. TRASHED HIM. I wouldn't expect that to disturb you in the least.

I wouldn't expect you to notice the difference.

[Occam Bandage]

59. "The era of big government is over." Clinton, SOTU, 1996. Obama was accurate. Clinton didn't

change the direction of the country.

[tabatha]

3. He did not PRAISE Reagan.

[Occam Bandage]

6. They're just trying to take the heat off Zellary.

[VolcanoJen]

16. Zellary!!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Damn, I love me some Occam Bandage!!!!

[Pryderi]

26. ROFL! "Zellary" statement FTW!

[Arkansas Granny]

36. Name calling is juvenile and unbecoming. It does nothing to

advance your candidate.

[Occam Bandage]

40. Welcome to DU.

[jlake]

10. And Hillary did not ENDORSE McCain.

[bigtree]

25. Sure he did. He praised his ability to connect with Americans

How did Ronald Reagan connect with Anericans? He was a bald-faced liar who exploited the 1-2 % of the budget which went to the poorest by claiming welfare recipients were somehow ripping the government off. Then he turned around and spent our tax dollars on his rich friends. Reagan CONNED America. And, Obama apparently admires that ability.

[sellitman]

5. Last I looked Raygun is dead.

Is he running for the Presidency too?

I must have missed that memo.

[jlake]

12. Didn't stop Obama from kissing his ass.

[Occam Bandage]

18. "Reagan had ideas and changed the country" is not praise, it is indisputable fact.

[jlake]

23. "John McCain has more experience than Obama" is also an indisputable fact.

What's your point?

[Occam Bandage]

Since she's using that argument

to claim that she would be a better President than Obama, she's also using it to say that McCain would be a better President than Obama. Obama, on the other hand, was simply saying that he wanted to be a President with ideas who could change the country.

[bellasgrams]

46. Reagan changed the country alright. He brought us Iran/Contra

and endless unemployment lines.

[Occam Bandage]

53. Exactly. And Clinton did nothing to change the direction of Reaganism. Obama, on the other hand,

wants to change the direction of the country--the direction that Reagan set, Clinton worked within, and Bush accelerated.

[bellasgrams]

52. Occam B, you have to be very young or else you are a repb

everyone with half a brain knows Reagan was a pi-- poor president. Does Iran/Contra mean anything to you? endless unemployment lines. He couldn't make decisions so Nancy consulted physics.

[Occam Bandage]

58. Reagan was a bad President. What's more, he was an influential one, and set a path of badness

that has continued through Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II. Obama recognized the start of the problem, recognized that the country could be set on paths by influential Presidents, and claimed he wanted to be a President who could change the course of the nation.

(If more Presidents consulted physics, we would have fewer problems. Did you mean psychics?)

[bellasgrams]

62. O B-Reagan,' it is indisputable fact'? If you actually believe

Reagan had 1 good idea you are on the wrong board.

[Occam Bandage]

64. Please show me where I typed the word "good."

[melody]

7. Sorry -- I was ticked about that, too, but this is much worse n/t

[jlake]

14. How so? Obama praised RR, Hillary simply stated a fact about JM.... she did NOT endorse him.

[Occam Bandage]

22. Do you believe she was not suggesting that JMcC would be a better/more trustworthy President?

[jlake]

27. I didn't get that.

[Occam Bandage]

33. You don't get a lot of things.

[jlake]

39. Obama: You're either with him or you're a stupid head who hates Amerika.

[Occam Bandage]

43. When you leave a curveball hanging over the plate

don't complain when it gets crushed.

[jlake]

45. Y'all have officially crossed over into Bush territory.

You think might makes right and that you can piss all over your opponents with (what you think to be)
clever slams.

[Occam Bandage]

51. Apparently to Hillary supporters,

wanting to change the direction of the country makes you a Reagan-lover, and cleverness in an argument is Bushlike. Add that to bashing Obama for winning caucus states, red states, and independent voters, and I think I see where we're going with this.

Clinton '08: failure is a virtue

[melody]

34. I was a John Edwards supporter then, I was mad, but Obama merely praised a dead ex-President

He didn't praise a GOP candidate over a Democrat.

[jlake]

57. That's all your perception.

Obama sure praised Reagan over Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, FDR, JFK.....

the parsing is not working for you "merely praised a dead ex-President"
That is disingenuous. You know full well how St. Ronnie is worshipped on the right - and you know what Obama was trying to do.

[melody]

63. Let's see, the words "perception", "disingenuous" and "parsing" all were used by me in a post to you

You're just using words without understanding them -- trying to make arguments made to you without sufficient
understanding of the context.

You're the one acting on stilted perception ... you're choosing to see this the way you do because you're pro-Hillary.
I'm pro-Obama because he's the clear Democratic nominee, but I'm quickly becoming anti-Hillary because of her own words.

[populistdriven]

69. ronald reagan was an amazingly effective communicator - he tried to emulate much of FDR's style

now go hammer on that alert button, see how far it gets ya

[emilyg]

4. DU is not the world.

[jlake]

19. It does seem to be many Obamabots world though.

Just like they don't accept that 2/3 of Democrats want Hillary to stay in the race, and she has close to a 50% chance of winning still.... they can't face the real world.

[Forkboy]

20. And the world is better off for it.

:)

[anigbrowl]

24. Nope, but I think Hillary's campaign is about to get tombstoned by the voters.

At any rate, I sincerely hope so.

[jlake]

35. Then DU will shut down in short order. Hillary supporters are grown ups who can

donate - most Obamabots live in their parents' basements and mooch off of the world.

[tammywammy]

41. Classy

:eyes:

[jlake]

44. Do you dispute the demographics?

And look at many of the more ardent Obama supporters.... no stars.

[tammywammy]

48. You're still a moron

Trolls usually don't donate and I don't base my opinion of the board on trolls.

[jlake]

50. So you admit that most Obama supporters are trolls?

Interesting.

[tammywammy]

70. I admit that there are trolls

Not that most Obama supporters are. There has been a huge influx of trolls recently, surely you've noticed as well.


edited to clarify: Trolls aren't supporters, they are trolls period. People here to just stir up trouble not matter who they say they "support."

[Occam Bandage]

28. The only people I've seen claiming that it is

are the people claiming they "can't support Obama because of his supporters."

[anigbrowl]

11. Good point!

But somehow I suspect many of those defending her over this flap don't plan to hang around DU anyway.

[MyNameGoesHere]

17. Well ain't it good they do not put the responsibility

of tomb stoning people into idiots hands. i for one am glad.

[Johnny__Motown]

30. If I made an account and named it HillaryClinton and posted that quote, can we prove you are right?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

31. No She Wouldn't, So Nice Ignorant Melodrama Ya Got There.

In fact, others here have directly said the same thing, and have been perfectly fine. Get a grip please.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

38. no because the admins unlike most here are not stupid.

[DS1]

42. Nixon would have been tombstoned for being an obvious Sockpuppet

[Guava Jelly]

54. Hillary Clinton is a member of DU!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=144589

[Dr. Strange]

66. Hmmm...zero posts.

Ready to read on day one!

[yardwork]

67. I've seen other DUers say nice things about McCain, and they're still here.

[niyad]

68. considering the absolutely hateful, ugly things that are being said here every single day,

I doubt that.

[DawgHouse]

72. Hyperbole much?