It's time to wake people up to Obama's tainted past

[Cronus Protagonist]

Tainted. According to Obama, Resko supported Obama and lots of other politicians but, according to Obama, the only one who wasn't on the take was Obama. Let's take a look at what we know about this.

Obama's wife's hugely escalating paychecks were merited, not payola, no sir.

The very beneficial real estate deal involving this influence peddler, the beneficiary of which was Obama, and the deal was admitted by Obama. The law may have something different to call that move given how much cash Obama made out of it from a corrupt political influence peddler. And all that cash, that wasn't Obama on the take, it was just a "boneheaded move". Many people have gone to jail for boneheaded moves, and one must ask if we want to nominate a candidate who may be called to trial as a witness (perhaps later as a defendant)? Do we really?

Really?

Can we win with our candidate in a courthouse as a witness and under suspicion of being on the take from a man on trial for poltiical corruption?

Really?

[Taverner]

1. Against a man who literally sleeps with lobbyists? Of course we can.

Hillary can win too, btw.

[bowens43]

2. give it a rest, your swiftboating isn't helping your candidate. nt

[Cronus Protagonist]

14. My candidate was Dennis, and this ain't swiftboating

I know you'd like it to be, but I stuck to the facts and asked questions you ignored. Par for the course for an Obama supporter.

[superkia]

32. I think Kucinich was the peoples candidate and had to be...

shutdown but I can also see that the clear choice is Obama, over Clinton and McCain. At this point we need to pick the best possible candidate for our children and its not Clinton or McCain.

[Cronus Protagonist]

35. Actually, we need to pick the best candidate who can win

Not just "for the children", because a losing candidate will be absolutely disastrous for our children and our children's children. IMHO either candidate we have will be a great president, but they MUST win the general in order for that to happen.

[Hoof Hearted]

39. Bingo!

[KittyWampus]

40. so you're totally ignorant of the many RECENT filthy money scandals involving the Clintons?

[Cronus Protagonist]

41. List the current trials that Hillary Clinton is involved in for me then

Oh, wait, there are none. And there is an Obama one, no one disputes that.

[KittyWampus]

47. #1. Obama isn't involved in the Rezko trial. #2. Gupta was sued by shareholders

for giving millions to Bill Clinton for doing nothing

#3. Clintons refuse to release their tax return, where did their 50+ million in income originate? They loaned at least 5 million to their campaign.

And the fact you think Obama is involved in the Rezko trial says everything about you and your bogus concern.

[Cronus Protagonist]

50. Bill Clinton? Bill? The prospective first husband?

And you had to go way back for that one. Also, if Obama's not involved in the Rezko trial, ask yourself why the news is 24/7 about his involvement with Rezko and the likelihood that he will have to testify? That's involvement, pal, and it's current, and it could scupper the presidency for Democratics all over the country. But you don't care about winning the general election. That's obvious.

However, luckily for all of us, others do.

[superkia]

49. I agree totally and the way that Obama has inspired people to...

vote shows us clearly that he can win. I think Clintons tactics are hurting his chances but if the election isn't stolen, I still believe that Americans are waking up to the typical dirty tricks in politics and are going to do the right thing this time.

[C_U_L8R]

3. oh the breathless conjecture of it all !!!

silly season is here again

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

4. Clearly you're very informed.

And you've been reading a lot about the Resko situation.

:spray:

[JKaiser]

5. I am worried Obama will be in trouble in GE. I don't want another republican prez

[TheWraith]

12. Then you're worried about nothing.

Obama versus McStrangelove? Anti-war candidate versus "bomb bomb bomb Iran"? On and on like that... The only thing to worry about in the general election is how much we're going to win by.

[Cronus Protagonist]

15. I hope more people take that into consideration today

IF we don't look at the general, we are not going to pick the best candidate. I'm still wishing we had more choice, but there it is, and there they are. Hillary not under suspicion, Obama tainted. Choose.

[IndianaJones]

6. huge news breaking in 24 business hours. nt.

[tabatha]

22. You have a source for that?

[THUNDER HANDS]

7. comparing the taint of Obama to the taint on McCain or Clinton is like comparing

a snowflake to a blizzard.

[Cronus Protagonist]

16. McCain and Clinton have received financial benefits from an influence peddler?

Show me.

[burythehatchet]

34. #1 recipient of largesse from the drug companies, the insurance companies

and defense companies. But no, they aren't really interested in "influencing" anything. And that money in Hillary's pocket is Monopoly money.

jeebus

[Cronus Protagonist]

36. Are they on trial? Didn't think so.

There IS a difference between legal and illegal acts, no matter how much you feel they are congruent.

[burythehatchet]

53. That was not the premise of your comment. You can move the goalposts

as much as you care to.

[MadBadger]

18. dirty dirty

[DearAbby]

8. :::checking to see if I am on FreeRepublic:::: n/t

[Levgreee]

9. Very beneficial? He got the house for 300k under asking price, which is common in some real estate

markets. He didn't get a lesser price because of Rezko, whatsoever. Rezko just bought the plot next to the house, as both needed to be bought at the same time.

[Cronus Protagonist]

19. No, Resko's wife "bought" it on her $30 grand salary

And they left it vacant, subdividing it so a house cannot be built there, greatly benefitting Obama. This is not disputed. Obama visited the property with Resko. This is not disputed.

If this were Hillary even if she were just having a personal friendship with such a character, the airwaves would be jumping with scandal. It is time that people got to know Obama a little better.

[tabatha]

23. That is not true.

The couple who sold Barack Obama his Chicago home said the Illinois senator's $1.65 million bid ``was the best offer'' and they didn't cut their asking price because a campaign donor bought their adjacent land, according to e-mails between Obama's presidential campaign and the seller.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=a_9sOMpy91Js&refer=us

[Catchawave]

26. In a tony Chicago neighborhoods ?

There are no 300k bargains, just creative financing. Hmmmm.

I wish this would have been vetted months ago, it's going to kill us in Nov :(

[Benhurst]

10. Shh! You're giving Karl Rove talking points.

I'm sure he hasn't thought of this.

[Cronus Protagonist]

24. Yeah, sure, like he needs the help of an obscure poster on a web site

I'm sure he's reading thousands of blogs a day to glean wisdom from us all.

:sarcasm:

[Benhurst]

30. I see you use the sarcasm Smilie.

There do seem to be many on DU who need one to recognize it.

Perhaps I should start.

[Cronus Protagonist]

33. I think it's best

People on here take things WAY too seriously, especially during an election. As if a few musings on here matter more than a whit in the grand scheme of things. :)

[TheWraith]

11. You do know that this has all been investigated and debunked, right?

Oh wait, you were just trying to smear Obama. Nevermind.

[goclark]

13. We made itt through "I did not have sex with that women" didn't we?

So we can walk through anything ~~ :bounce:

We were 100% with them when Bill "told the truth" about "that woman."

In fact, if it had not been for all the loyal Democrats that stood right beside him the entire time, including ALL of the African Americans in Congress -- she would not be a candidate today.

How sexist can you be to call a young lady friend that had been intimately in your presence "that woman?!"

[Robbins]

17. Rezko

I have been largly silent on this Issue but how In the hell can you compare this to the various Clinton scandals.Those her supporters have collected amnesia.Obama has not and I repeat not been accused of any wrong doings.The most that can be said Is Rezko who gave money to Obama helped him
buy his house.Obama Isn't like the Clintons and Mccain having tons of money(he could never afford to loan his campaign 5 million)Obama may not be perfect but I would take him over the Clintons and Mccain.

[PassingFair]

20. What about Ratzo Rizzo?

Even the NAME is perfect for a smear campaign.

Anybody buying into the slime is
a political coward right now.

Too little, too late, I hope, for Clinton....

[mtnsnake]

21. Republicans were hoping they could save all this for the General Election

They're just keeping their fingers crossed that Obama doesn't blow this thing now because they foresee their only chance of maintaining control of the WH if Obama's the nominee.

You can be assured that the Right Wing dirt machine has so much stuff up their sleeve on him that they can't wait for him to beat Hillary so they can get to work with their slime and grime tactics.

[tabatha]

25. Any evidence of that?

Don't you think the Clintons would have brought out all the dirt they could?

[mtnsnake]

28. No evidence. It's just human nature they'd want to save that ammo for themselves when it matters

most to them. Just my opinion based on watching how they always operate.

[soleft]

48. Which is may be why it's good the convention is late August

If the Resko thing does blow up we've got Edwards and Gore in the wings, and Clinton if she only suspends.

[Cronus Protagonist]

60. That is the truly awesome thing about this process

And it's also why Hillary should not bow out early. I'm thinking in a brokered convention, Edwards may still get the nod, and if all the candidates are essentially broken by then, Mr. Albert Gore, nobel prize winner can step in and save us all, which is a long shot, but I think Albert would step up to the plate if his country called for him.

[Vinca]

27. You seem to be saying Obama is just as bad as Hillary.

If association was guilt, the Clintons would have gone to prison with the likes of Webb Hubbell.

[Cronus Protagonist]

37. Not talking about association, but about cash money tranfers

And a trial for illegal influence peddling.

[onenote]

29. OMG -- Kerry, GOre, Rush, Boxer, Jackson, and Mosely-Braun all on the take!!

Pulitzer prize winning stuff. All of these folks got contributions from Rezko, so they too must have "been on the take".

[Cronus Protagonist]

44. Contributons do not equal influence peddling to the tune of hundreds of thousands of $$

But of course, you know that, so why be so disingenious? If a convicted felon sends money to a candidate that is not influence peddling. Making hundreds of thousands on a real estate deal is quite another matter.

Personally, I don't care about Obama, which is why my eyes are wide open. I just want us to win, not back a horse that's going to collapse before the finish line.

[onenote]

55. I'm sorry, but what's disingenuous is to suggest that because Obama received Rezko

contributions he must be on the take because everyone else who got contributions from Rezko was on the take. WHich is what the OP suggests, like it or not.

[Cronus Protagonist]

56. Do the math

Do you really believe that Obama's financial gains (admitted by Obama and framed as "boneheaded") were NOT connected to Rezko's influence peddling? Obama is a saint and all the other recipients of Rezko's money are the bad ones? I think you have to admit that there is doubt at the very least there, and you also have to admit that if this story were about Hillary getting big bucks from Rezko, she'd be pilloried. Why the double standard?

[cottonseed]

31. This is old news.

If there was any "there" there, this would have came out well before Obama had beaten the tar out of Hillary in the last 11 contests. Hell, should have been "time" to air this before the campaign even started, considering there hasn't been a day when Hillary has won more delegates that Obama. It's a waste of time floating this debunked garbage and it wreaks of desparation.

[Occam Bandage]

38. *bom bom* tainted past, whoa-whoa-whoa, tainted past...

[DefenseLawyer]

42. Some times I feel... I've got to.. *bom bom* run away

I've got to *bom bom* get away from... posts like these.

[JVS]

43. I'm not going anywhere near your taint

[Cronus Protagonist]

45. I don't have a taint, thanks. Obama does n/t

[mmonk]

46. How's the negative campaigning going?

[Cronus Protagonist]

52. Not too badly, but not as well as Obama's negative campaign is going.

But I do think we have a watershed moment coming up. The question is do we want to win the general?

[amborin]

51. and the influence peddling????

[CyberPieHole]

54. The Rezko/Obama connection is not the only thing in Obama's past...

I can hardly wait to find out what other skeletons are in his closet.:evilgrin:

[Cronus Protagonist]

57. I just hope that, if he still gets the nod, that there are no others

I want to win in November no matter which candidate, but as of now there is still a chance to vet them, and I say it's time for Obama's past to be vetted now before too many people are swayed by his speechifying.

[amborin]

watering down Illinois law against nuclear waste dumping to please Exelon

[amborin]

58. watering down Illinois law against nuclear waste dumping to please Exelon

[amborin]

59. watering down Illinois law against nuclear waste dumping to please Exelon

[totodeinhere]

61. This type of talk can only help the GOP in November

And our main goal should be that Dems win in November. Arguing over dirt like this is counter productive.

[Seabiscuit]

62. Better to take Obama down now then let McCain do it during the general election.

[totodeinhere]

63. This type of thing hurts both of our candidates and only helps McCain.