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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:21 AM
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Rezko/Obama were neighbors...Who traded land for some favors...
Rezko got caught, Obama forgot
Now counsel is seeking all waivers.

I really hope this story doesn't sprout legs.:evilgrin:

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4377680&page=1
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:23 AM
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1. Is a "I don't know Mr Rezko" moment coming?
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:24 AM
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3. That moment came...and then Obama "remembered" meeting him...
when he was forced to do so.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:26 AM
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4. It's easy to forget a guy like Rezko. I fully understand.
:evilgrin:
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:27 AM
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7. What are you talking about?
Obama has said he was friends with Rezko.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:24 AM
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2. "I never had Real Estate relations with that man..."
:rofl:

RL
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:26 AM
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5. I don't think there was any FUNNY business going on between Barack and Antoin...
Who knows what relationship Antoin has had with Michelle...:shrug:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:45 AM
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 01:05 AM
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16. NO, I MEAN LIKE BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA'S COCAINE SNORTING.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 01:26 AM
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 02:34 AM
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35. No, I think Barack Hussein Obama snorted controlled subsatances 'cause he has a probem in that area.
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kwenu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 03:35 AM
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44. Ummm. He acknowledged experimenting when he was younger...
Edited on Tue Mar-04-08 03:37 AM by kwenu
that's not a problem.
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kwenu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:44 AM
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13. You mean like WHITEWATER?????
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 01:07 AM
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17. NO. LIKE BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA AND SYRIAN SLUMLORD ANTOIN REZKO LAND DEAL.
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kwenu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 01:24 AM
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29. Did she ever find those Rose Law Firm records????
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 02:32 AM
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33. They'll be published along with Michelle Obama thesis on her lack of "PRIDE" for America.
Edited on Tue Mar-04-08 02:41 AM by CyberPieHole
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kwenu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 03:37 AM
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45. She'll be beaming PROUD as FIRST LADY OF THE U.S.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 11:36 AM
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49. Michelle will experience HUBRIS not PRIDE. Michelle will NEVER be First Lady of the U.S.
Americans see Michelle Obama for what she really is: ANGRY AND BITTER.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:27 AM
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6. What favors? n/t
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:27 AM
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8. This just makes Clinton supporters look even worse. There is no there there.,
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:30 AM
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9. Desperate Frustrated Hillary smear campaign.
Vetted. Nothing. Done issue. Just more of the latest and disgusting Hillary scorched earth campaign. And yet when asked about the long, shady ties to the convicted felon Norman Hsu, Hillary and her people have no answers.
No answers on her failure to release tax documents. No answer on her failure to release White House records. No answer on why she gladly takes more corporate money than the Republicans. Hillary and her people are complete hypocrites !
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:41 AM
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11. I would conclude that
both candidates have some slimy associations
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 01:19 AM
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28. Hey, I actually met Kevin Bacon.
I know his brother, the musician. Those six degrees cover a whole lot of ground. So if a shmoe like me can meet Kevin Bacon, nearly everyone has dirty friends and acquaintances that can be found out. (The brothers Bacon, however, are truly excellent individuals.)

Nobody is simon-pure, and politics runs on money. That alone is enough to suspect all of them. But there is nothing a good, thorough investigation can't cure!

Now I'm gonna cut loose ... footloose ...

:evilgrin:

--p!
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 01:27 AM
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31. I would agree with that assessment
It gets really ridiculous when the old pictures start coming out - I remember that picture of Rosalyn Carter with John Wayne Gacy (back when he was, of course, a donor or whatnot) - the repukes would have you believe she supported serial murder :o
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:32 AM
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10. All the Rezko news must make Clinton feel really proud
After all, she's the one who drew the national media's attention to the matter.

She's going to sleep well tonight. She managed to smear Obama and she knows that even if he becomes the nominee, that her hard work of tearing him down will probably cost the dems in the GE. Then she can run again in '12, before she gets too old.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 01:09 AM
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19. The Rezko/Obama connection TRULY saddens me.
:cry:
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 01:15 AM
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26. You're in rare form tonight Cyber.
:toast:
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 02:38 AM
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39. Thanks anamandugano...
I don't normally post threads...I prefer to read them and kick the ones I like. But the vitriol against Hillary Clinton inspired me to start a thread on Obama and show his supporters my concern.:toast:
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 01:11 AM
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21. I thought it was Fitz
Y'know ... Thomas Fitzgerald, who also investigated Novakula in The Whole Frigging GOP v Plame.

The hearings are coming up on the 25th. I don't think there is much merit to the accusation that Obama is thick with Rezko, but if he handles it like he's been (mis)handling tough questioning, he's had it. This will be his Big Test.

And if you think Hillary is "tearing down" Obama, you are in for a very painful shock if and when he gets the nomination. Because what the Grand Old Party has planned for the winner is the kind of thing that made H.P. Lovecraft famous.

--p!
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 01:18 AM
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27. Throw in the fact that the Rezko trial judge was on Ken Starr's team during Whitewater
and has been on the fast track since then...and it worries me.
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kwenu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:43 AM
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12. YAAAAWWWWWWN!!!!!!!!
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 01:08 AM
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18. Thanks for kicking this thread...
:hi:
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 12:52 AM
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15. There once was a tedious bore
Whose losing streak made him all sore
His limerick shaped lie
Was more pie in the sky
So the fuckwit went straight to ignore
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 01:12 AM
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22. You can't handle the truth.
(Credit Jack's character in some movie I didn't see.)
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 01:10 AM
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20. I guess what bothers me most is people here actually
are pulling for him to be implicated or indicted.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 01:13 AM
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23. Best to know now, not later.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 01:13 AM
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24. From a Hillary supporter (me)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4871943&mesg_id=4872576">The questionable merit of the Rezko affair -- and how it`s Obama`s to blunder.

As I said, it's his first Big Test.

--p!
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 01:14 AM
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25. Yep
Pretty sad from both sides.
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 04:56 AM
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48. He's going to be implicated or indicted.
Edited on Tue Mar-04-08 04:57 AM by LizW
Do you really think the Republicans are going to play nice with Obama because he's all hopeful and makes great speeches?

They are Republicans. They don't DO nice. They don't DO fair.

Are you familiar with what happened to Don Siegelman? The Republicans stuck Siegelman's picture next to Richard Scrushy on every front page of every paper in Alabama for months. Scrushy is a hated corporate criminal, and the Republicans and press made it look like he and Siegelman were conjoined twins.

Siegelman never profited by one dime from his dealings with Scrushy, but it didn't matter. He's sitting in prison. And he is a tough, experienced politician. Do you really think they won't destroy the neophyte Obama with Rezko?
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 02:25 AM
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32. So what. Do you have any type of point here?

I suppose all of your friends and neighbors are simply perfect or, if they're not, you've got
a special exemption from taking responsibility for them.

Next you're going to say he's a Muslim, right? Isn't that the real smear you folks are hoping
for. Or the variation, his preacher likes Farrakahn... oh scary stuff.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 02:35 AM
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36. No. Nothing nefarious...I am jus sharing the truth for your consumption.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 02:47 AM
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41. You're reporting so that I can decide. How thoughtful. Thank you.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 02:33 AM
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 02:36 AM
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37. I guess you've got to get rid of all that bile somehow.
So jus' keep on spewin'.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 02:37 AM
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38. and look who loaned Rezco money
The Times (London)

February 26, 2008 Tuesday
Correction Appended

Mansion 'mistake' piles the pressure on Obama

BYLINE: James Bone in New York and Dominic Kennedy

British billionaire lent millions to fundraiser

Questions over who paid for family home

A British-Iraqi billionaire lent millions of dollars to Barack Obama
's fundraiser only weeks before an imprudent land deal that has returned to haunt the presidential contender, an investigation by The Times has revealed.

The money transfer raises the question of whether funds from Nadhmi Auchi, one of Britain's wealthiest men, helped Mr Obama to buy the mock Georgian mansion in Chicago where he lives.

A company related to Mr Auchi, who has a conviction for corruption in France, registered the loan to Mr Obama's bagman, Antoin "Tony" Rezko, on May 23, 2005.

Mr Auchi says that the loan, through the Panamanian company Fintrade Services SA, was for $3.5 million (£ 1.75 million).

Three weeks later Mr Obama bought a house on the South Side of the city, while Mr Rezko's wife bought the garden plot next door from the same seller on the same day, June 15. Mr Obama says that he never used Mrs Rezko's still-empty lot, which could only be accessed through his property. But he admits that he paid his gardener to mow the lawn.

Mrs Rezko, whose husband was widely known to be under investigation at the time, went on to sell a 10ft strip of her property to Mr Obama seven months later so that he could enjoy a bigger garden. Mr Obama says that his involvement in the land deal was a "boneheaded mistake".

Mrs Rezko's purchase and sale of the land to Mr Obama raises many unanswered questions. It is unclear how Mrs Rezko could have afforded the down payment of $125,000 and $500,000 mortgage for the original $625,000 purchase of the garden plot at 5050 South Greenwood Avenue. In a sworn statement a year later Mrs Rezko said that she had a salary of $37,000 and $35,000 in assets. Mr Rezko told a court that he had "no income, negative cash flow, no liquid assets, no unencumbered assets (and) is significantly in arrears on many of his obligations".

Mrs Rezko, whose husband goes on trial on unrelated corruption charges in Chicago on March 3, refused to answer questions about the case when she spoke by telephone to The Times. Asked if she used money from her husband to buy the land next to Mr Obama's house, she said: "I can't answer these questions, I'm sorry."

Asked how long she and her husband had known Mr Auchi, she replied: "I will not be able to answer this question." Mr Auchi's lawyer, asked whether the Fintrade Services loan was used to buy the land which became Mr Obama's garden, stated: "No, not as far as my client is aware." Mr Auchi's links with Mr Rezko are a new political headache for Mr Obama, the Illinois senator vying to become America's first African-American president. Hillary Clinton has sought to make Mr Rezko, who has bankrolled Mr Obama's political career since his first run for the Illinois state senate in the mid-1990s, into an election issue by calling him a "slum landlord" in a televised debate. She has suggested repeatedly that Mr Obama has not been "vetted" by media scrutiny and will not withstand "the Republican attack machine".

Bill Burton, a spokesman for Mr Obama, told The Times: "The bottom line is, Obama does not recall ever meeting him (Mr Auchi)."

The house and garden deal raised questions about whether Mr Rezko, a property developer and fast-food restaurateur, made it possible for the Obamas to purchase a mansion they could otherwise not afford.

Mrs Rezko paid the asking price for the garden but the Obamas bought the house for $1.65 million, - $300,000 less than the asking price. The sellers deny that they offered the Obamas a discount on the house because the garden had fetched full price from Mrs Rezko.

Mr Rezko has since been indicted for allegedly scheming to pressure companies seeking business with the state of Illinois for kickbacks and contributions to the campaign of the Governor, Rod Blagojevich.

A prosecution document filed last month alleged that a "political candidate" - identified by the Chicago Sun-Times as Mr Obama - received a $10,000 campaign contribution from what is said to be a $250,000 kickback in the corruption case. That means Mr Obama's name could figure in Mr Rezko's trial, although he is not accused of any wrongdoing.

Mr Obama insists that he never used his office to do favours for Mr Rezko but admits that, as an Illinois state senator, he once wrote letters to housing officials urging them to provide money in support of a proposed apartment building for elderly people that Mr Rezko wanted to build.

Mr Obama has sought publicly to atone for his closeness to Mr Rezko, paying $150,000 to charity to distance himself from a man accused of political corruption.

The spotlight fell on Mr Rezko's ties to Mr Auchi last month when the Chicago businessman was thrown in jail for violating his bail terms by failing to declare a different $3.5 million loan from the British billionaire, made in April 2007. Prosecutors feared that Mr Rezko, who travels widely in the Middle East, might flee to a country without an extradition treaty, such as Syria, his birthplace.

Mr Auchi was convicted of corruption, given a suspended sentence and fined £ 1.4 million in France in 2003 for his part in the Elf affair, described as the biggest political and corporate scandal in postwar Europe. He, in a statement from his lawyers, says that he is appealing against the sentence.

Mr Auchi founded his Luxembourg-based General Mediterranean Holding (GMH) in 1979, a year before he left Iraq. He says that he did business with his native country when it was considered a friend of the West but ceased to trade with the late Saddam Hussein's regime once sanctions were imposed after the invasion of Kuwait.

Mr Rezko has told a court that Mr Auchi is a "close friend". Mr Auchi's lawyer told The Times: "It is untrue that my client and Mr Rezko are "close friends". Mr Auchi first met Mr Rezko after the 2003 Iraq war and they have a business relationship.

Mr Rezko and Mr Auchi have been partners in a pizzeria business in the Midwest and a 62-acre (25ha) land development in Riverside Park in Chicago. According to court documents, Mr Rezko's lawyer said that his client had "longstanding indebtedness" to Mr Auchi's GMH. By June 2007 he owed it $27.9 million.

Under a loan forgiveness agreement described in court, Mr Auchi lent Mr Rezko $3.5 million in April 2005 and $11 million in September 2005, as well as the $3.5 million transferred in April 2007. That agreement provided for the outstanding loans to be forgiven in return for a stake in the Riverside Park development.

A posting last week on a GMH-owned website, middle-eastonline.com, portrayed Mr Auchi as a Middle Eastern "Donald Trump" with a global business construction empire.

Mr Auchi visited the United States in 2004. Pictures show him meeting Emil Jones, the president of the Illinois state senate, an ally of Mr Obama, a former state senator.

Mr Auchi and Mr Obama say that they have no memory of meeting. But, according to a source, the two may have had a brief encounter at the Four Seasons Hotel in Chicago where Mr Auchi's visit was being honoured with a dinner attended by the governor when Mr Obama, coincidentally in the hotel, dropped in. An aide to Mr Obama said that he did attend an event at the Four Seasons at which Mr Rezko was present, but does not remember meeting Mr Auchi.

Prosecutors say that, after Mr Auchi was unable to enter the US in 2005, Mr Rezko approached the State Department to get him a visa and asked "certain Illinois government officials to do the same". Mr Obama denies that he was approached. Mr Auchi's lawyer has emphasised to The Times that it would be false to imply that money had been lent by GMH to Mr Rezko in return for Mr Rezko seeking to assist Mr Auchi to obtain a visa.

Mr Auchi's lawyer said that the purpose of the Fintrade Services loan was to "assist the financial position" of a pizzeria company called AR Pizza, in which GMH held a shareholding. He said that the loan had since been repaid in the form of a greater stake in the Chicago 62-acre land project.

Mr Auchi's lawyer said: "My client played no part in the management and/or day to day running of AR Pizza, the GMH Group being an entirely passive investor in the company. Further, there was no need as a minimum return on the investment was guaranteed. As to the court proceedings, my client is not a party to these."

Mr Rezko was a fundraiser for Governor Blagojevich. The governor's chief fundraiser, Christopher Kelly, who also served as his gambling adviser, is fighting tax charges.

*Read our blog dedicated to the White House race timesonline.co.uk/acrossthepond

DEALS AND LOANS

Spring 2004 Nadhmi Auchi visits Illinois and Michigan, attending an event at Four Seasons Hotel. Senator Obama shakes his hand

2004 Mr Auchi makes first investment in 62-acre land development project Riverside Park in Chicago

June 16, 2004 AR Pizza established in Delaware. Mr Auchi is "passive investor"

April 28, 2005 Mr Auchi's General Mediterranean Holding (GMH) lends $3.5 million to Tony Rezko

May 23, 2005 Fintrade Services SA, a Panamanian company related to Mr Auchi, registers loan to Mr Rezko, secured by Mr Rezko's stake in AR Pizza

June 15, 2005 Mr Rezko's wife, Rita, buys garden plot on same day as Obamas buy neighbouring mock-Georgian mansion from same seller

September 30, 2005 GMH makes $11 million loan to Mr Rezko

November 2005 Mr Rezko lobbies to get a US visa for Mr Auchi

January 2006 Mrs Rezko sells 10ft strip of garden to the Obamas for $104,500

November 2006 Mr Rezko tells court he is broke

April 4, 2007 Mr Auchi's GMH makes $3.5 million loan to Mr Rezko

January 28, 2008 Mr Rezko jailed for violating his bail by failing to declare $3.7 million in payments from Mr Auchi's companies

March 3, 2008 Mr Rezko's corruption trial due to begin in Chicago

Source: Times database
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 02:40 AM
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40. Thanks for your post...I appreciate the truth...and we hope it's not too late...
:toast:
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 02:50 AM
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42. Poster uses Rove tactic, echoing a non-story.
Then wonders if it will have legs?

I thought our party didn't want to be the party of smear, lies, drama, and echo-chamber politics?

Maybe I was wrong. Maybe the last 16 years were so good that we should just repeat them.

Endlessly.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 03:01 AM
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43. Your Username Fits You Well nt
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 11:38 AM
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50. OUCH!!!
THAT cut to the quick.:eyes:
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 04:14 AM
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46. Well, the one good thing about all this is
If Obama manages to make it through all the way to winning the Presidency, at least the republicans won't be able to use the Special Prosecutor law against him like they did the Clintons.

Still, this is a lot juicier than Whitewater ever was so I'm sure the republicans will be harping on this till Obama leaves office for good.
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RichardRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 04:39 AM
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47. Pretty thoroughly debunked - Daily Kos
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 11:40 AM
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51. Stop making stuff up
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