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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 07:43 AM
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Monday Polls, New Polls New Polls!!!
Edited on Mon Mar-03-08 07:52 AM by yourguide
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/latestpolls/index.html


Zogby, Ohio

Obama 47%
Clinton 45%

Zogby, Texas

Obama 47%
Clinton 44%

Suffolk, Ohio

Obama 40%
Clinton 52%

WFAA/Belo Tracking - Texas

Obama 46%
Clinton 46%
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 07:44 AM
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1. It'll be exciting.....
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 07:45 AM
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2. Zogby=Republican controlled Poll
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 07:49 AM
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3. the new Suffolk has him down 12.
Please take this one to heart and make some calls for Obama!
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:37 AM
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6. This poll is disturbing, but I noticed a few demographic discrepancies
In comparing the sample for this poll to the 2004 exit polls, it looks like they significantly oversampled seniors and undersampled African Americans. African Americans made up 14% of Democratic primary voters in Ohio in 2004, but are sampled as only 8% in this poll. With Obama on the ballot, I see no reason turnout among African Americans would decrease from 2004.

Seniors make up 38% of the sample in this poll, but they were only 22% in 2004. With youth turnout increasing, I don't think the percentage of primary voters who are over 65 would increase that much.

Still, this is the second poll in two days that has shown Clinton with a double-digit lead in Ohio. I was in Columbus over the weekend, and they have a good ground game, but we still have a lot of work to do. Please keep making phone calls!
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nickn777 Donating Member (249 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:06 AM
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4. Look at the weightings on that Suffolk poll....
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/docs/FinalOHIOMarginalsMarch22008.html


+65(38%).......African American (8%)......Female(55%).....

There is no way this represents the real turnout in Ohio....

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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:07 AM
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5. Zogby has polled me regularly over the last couple of years
But I have not had one from this for the last month and a half about elections. Not one. Do they selectively decide who they poll based on what they want the outcome to show and the polling history of those who they poll?

Just wondering.

I have had other polls from Zogby in the last week but nothing about who I was voting for.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:41 AM
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7. Rhode Island: Hillary: 41, Obama: 37
Edited on Mon Mar-03-08 08:59 AM by NJSecularist
http://www.turnto10.com/northeast/jar/news.apx.-content-articles-JAR-2008-03-02-0001.html

There seems to be a ton of undecideds in Rhode Island still, which to me is the reason why Obama went to Providence the other day. On average, all RI polls have close to 20% undecided.
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:56 AM
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9. Your link goes to a Feb. 4th article N/T

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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:41 AM
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8. Will any of
the pollsters' post election explanations include details how they screwed up in their methodologies? I am sure the reasonings will include volatility, momentum, some blurb or idea that sounds good as a "critical moment", some special group that charged to the polls out of the blue like the Light Brigade. However to admit their service is rotten because they didn't know how to plot for new voters(breaking the old models) or a hot contest, or the spectacular rise of a new candidate against entrenched numbers(of questionable solidity)- to admit that- is bad for business.

With one day to go they hope no one will notice they are hedging exactly like fraudulent soothsayers of old, planting themselves firmly in the middle of a decision, but already with explanations to show they knew they might be wildly wrong all along. the only difference between them and Hindu astrologers is that they put a wall of polled people between themselves and the eventual reality so they will be even less responsible.

The single social value polls might have is to measure properly how people voted as a check against the published results of the voting system. None of these pollsters is the least bit interested in protecting that dull, more reliable after check. Instead they would have us enthralled by a steady diet of after spin and pre-guessing with all the rationalization they will later bring to RECONCILING exit poll data to fraudulent totals.

Their whole industry sucks and sucks conceptually. The very meaning of these snapshot opinions doesn't ever sink in. Depending on when and how you ask a question, people who would rather burn a candidate at the stake can be made to seem ready to vote for them. Understanding how people can fill polls with misinterpreted and unreliable data never comes into the public education, because the odd madness of public opinion itself is not easily touched upon. People who flatter themselves the other way, that the nation is moving to or espousing an ideology simply do not want to understand what a mass of aggregate jello people are regarding most things. nailing down the jello for something truly important is not easy. Somewhere, as good astrologers know, wise spin and experience come into play and gives themselves an edge by persuading people the soothsayers know how they will vote. Only an edge because the people, in awe of the wise men, still go about their own affair of making a decision because no one told them their own single independent thought and choice had to match the predictions.

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