Obama and Hillary on 60 Minutes now!

[bicentennial_baby]

At least here on the East Coast. :hi:

[sniffa]

1. "Do you believe that Obama is a Muslim?"

HRC: "No, of course not. I take him at his word."

Oh dear.

[bicentennial_baby]

2. That was so...strange.

Her phrasing. Weird.

[Cha]

11. Her freakin' choreographed

phrasing. Gawd what a disingenous woman.

[Connie_Corleone]

3. Is that what she said? WTF??

C'mon Tuesday night!!

[sniffa]

4. That's exactly what she said

He immediately pounced, and she didn't correct herself. In fact, she took the opportunity to state that she's been the victim of attacks for x years.

[Cha]

12. For sure it's all about hilary and

her supporters have the same syndrome.

[cali]

19. I'm sorely tempted to say something about her that's ..... intemperate

I'll just say that's inexcusable. Just disgusting. She knew exactly what she was doing when she said that.

[bicentennial_baby]

20. Indeed she did....My jaw is still on the floor

:wow:

[Window]

76. I'm beginning to really, really, really, really, really dislike her.

SHAME ON YOU HILLARY FOR USING ROVIAN TACTICS. MEET US TUES. IN TEXAS!!!

[K Gardner]

5. OMFG.. I just ran in here to see if I heard what I heard. I guess I did.

(after the 'boo' incident last night, don't trust my ears on first listen!).

I absolutely cannot BELIEVE she said that. She "takes him at his word" that he's not Muslim.. has "no reason to believe", he's not Muslim then launches into a "poor me, I've been a victim" speech.

Two more freakin days.

If they had asked her if Obama was black, I wonder what she would have said?!

And she says she can still win and will go until June because Bill did.. excuse me while I..

:banghead:

[bicentennial_baby]

6. Even the interviewer was surprised!

I was shocked myself. Dayum.

[K Gardner]

7. I guess the Muslim smear campaign was indeed a purposeful one, and now we have

confirmation who was behind it. I'm still :wow: too.

Hope the media picks up on this.

[stillcool]

53. I didn't watch it but I'm not surprised...

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."

"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html

[niceypoo]

88. Obamites are so frigging paranoid

This freakout takes the cake

[Window]

75. ..

[Sequoia]

90. Now, that was funny!

I ran in here to "see" if I "heard" what I heard.

What is with her anyway?!! So much for freedom of religion eh?

[Unsane]

22. FUCKING SICK

[blonndee]

8. That's sick.

And rotten. I can't wait to see her out of this race. Just when I start gaining back a LITTLE respect for her, she does or says something that shows me how vile she really is.

[cali]

24. I want to see her humiliated on Tuesday

just squashed. I want to see her dreams of being president completely extinguished. I pray for a 4 state sweep and I don't give a shit right now how she feels. She just played the ugly card big time.

[Colobo]

29. Me too. She needs to go down.

[blonndee]

32. Me too.

I'm not generally a cruel person either, but I also hope it will be as bad as you say. And I hope that what Richardson said today is indeed what I think it is. I hope she won't even be able to salvage a Senate career after this. This is really the limit. Sick shit. :mad:

[Yael]

33. Her flameout is going to be spectacular

and I can't wait to savor every last minute of it.

Just when I get done posting that nothing her campaign does surprises me any longer, she pulls in-excusable shit like this.

[David Zephyr]

74. Yael, I don't even think I want her to be VP anymore after all of this.

I don't know if I even like her anymore. The Muslim comment by her was sickening.

[krkaufman]

63. I hope my fellow Dems hand her the ass-kicking that she has earned. n/t

[Whisp]

70. I think there were times that I vocally disagreed with you, but on this one

you are spot on, dead on.

This is how I feel as well. I don't just want her out of the race, I want some kind of justice for her continual dirty gaming slimoidness. I want her to just get the hell out of Dodge and not have to hear anything that slippery lip has to spew.

[AngryOldDem]

83. You said it.

What's more, I saw on "This Week with George Stephanopoulos" that her campaign manager was making insinuations about the Rezko connection. All I can say is, HRC would be well-served not to go down that road, with all the still-unanswered questions from the 1990s and before. If she gets the nomination all of that becomes fair game, which would prove once again that karma is indeed a bitch.

And if Obama gets the nomination, how in the hell can he accept any support or endorsement from her, with such an insulting slander as that? She owes him an apology. Sometimes what is implied is even more cutting that what is actually said.

[JVS]

84. CRUSHED!

[JerseygirlCT]

10. Yeah, WTH does that mean?

Insinuating he's lying?

What a low, even for her in this campaign. If I'd had any second thoughts, that sure made my choice easy.

[bicentennial_baby]

15. Pretty much!

She should have said that she knew he wasn't, and that in fact, she knows he's a Christian. Goddamnit.

[jefferson_dem]

27. And then she spun it around by claiming her own victimhood!

Talking about how she's suffered from so many smears... Fucking deplorable! :mad:

[elixir]

40. Which she has been, smeared at every turn.

[krkaufman]

66. Really? Is it a smear if the accusation is true?

People would say characterizing Hillary as "calculating" is a smear, but we've seen throughout this campaign that it is merely descriptive. People have characterized references to Hillary as a "say anything, do anything, triangulating" politician as a smear, but, again, this campaign has demonstrated the accuracy of such a statement.

Personally, I'm starting to wonder if the Clintons didn't seed some of the Right Wing loathing to which they've been subjected.

[Window]

77. BULLSHIT.

Whatever Obama does is in direct reply to some sneaky, nasty shit she and her campaign has tried to do to him. And, it's never as nasty 'cause he has class. She has NONE.

[writes3000]

13. She couldn't just leave it at "No, of course not."

She just had to spin it. Oy. Ugh. Yuck.

[Yael]

17. She keeps hitting new lows and her reaction is to dig faster

Amazing. Simply mind bogglingly amazing.

[JerseygirlCT]

23. Drowning in her own "kitchen sink" tactics, I think. Only problem

is she's attempting to take the party down the drain with her.

[Unsane]

25. She doesn't deserve to ever win another election.

fucking despicable

[jefferson_dem]

26. That fucking response was a deal-killer for me.

Fuck. This woman will never get any form of support from me. Ever.

[elixir]

42. You gave up on her a loooong time ago. Don't act like this was the last straw, you never intended to

her.

[jefferson_dem]

49. Back off. This is the last straw.

Read my comment again. Hillary can fuck off.

[progdog]

47. I'm with you on that.

Reject and denounce.

[elixir]

28. Yu guys have too much time on your hads. go out and do some campaigning or phonebanking,

leave Hillary alone. You could make a mountain out of anything.

[Yael]

36. I don't think this is a puddle you want to step in, elixir

She is beyond redeemable with this one.

[elixir]

46. The self importance in here is overwhelming. She didn't ask the question, the interviewer should

be ashamed of themselves for such a stupid and senseless question.

[Window]

79. Yeah, blame everyone except your precious Hillary.

[stillcool]

57. I think Hillary has made the mountain....

...all by herself

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."

"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html

Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March
http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080201/cm_thenation/45278988_1
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET

The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis.
----------

Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
-------------------------
Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused. I made unfortunate comments that do not accurately reflect my bipartisan conviction, political philosophy, or most importantly, my opinions about Senator Obama and his historic campaign for the United States presidency."

Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.
Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html

January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
By Julie Bosman
KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”

COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.

Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, apologized for comments he made at a Clinton campaign rally in South Carolina on Sunday that hinted at Obama's use of drugs as a teenager.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34

Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs

Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008

The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's Super Tuesday primary, which she won.
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html

Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says.

Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)

http://graphics.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/20080112_nevada_lawsuit.pdf
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/a-feisty-bill-clinton-defends-nevada-lawsuit/
CLINTON ALLIES SUPPRESS THE VOTE IN NEVADA...
On Meet the Press on Sunday, Hillary Clinton said her campaign had nothing to do with a lawsuit--written about by Nation Editor Katrina vanden Heuvel--that threatens to prevent thousands of workers from voting in the Nevada caucus on Saturday.
Back in March, the Nevada Democratic Party agreed to set up caucus locations on the Vegas strip for low-income shift workers, many of them members of the state's influential Culinary Union, who commute long distances to work and wouldn't be able to get home in time to caucus. It was an uncontroversial idea until the Culinary Union endorsed Barack Obama and the Nevada State Education Association, whose top officials support Clinton, sued to shut down the caucus sites.
The Clinton camp played dumb until yesterday, when President Clinton came out in favor of the lawsuit.
Clinton's comments drew a heated response from D. Taylor, the head of Nevada's Culinary Union, on MSNBC's Hardball. "He is in support of disenfranchising thousands upon thousands of workers, not even just our members," Taylor said of Clinton. "The teachers union is just being used here. We understand that This is the Clinton campaign. They tried to disenfranchise students in Iowa. Now they're trying to disenfranchise people here in Nevada, who are union members and people of color and women."
Rank-and-file members of Nevada's teachers union also come out against the lawsuit filed by their leadership. "We never thought our union and Senator Clinton would put politics ahead of what's right for our students, but that's exactly what they're doing," the letter stated. "As teachers, and proud Democrats, we hope they will drop this undemocratic lawsuit and help all Nevadans caucus, no matter which candidate they support."
The lawsuit's opponents make a persuasive point. Creating obstacles to voting is what the GOP does to Democrats, not what Democrats should be doing to other Democrats.

[goclark]

64. We are perfectly capable of making decisions for ourselves

We are clear thinkers and self motivated.

[Name removed]

78. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[theboss]

31. She might as well have added "But your mileage may vary" at the end of that

Jebus.

[blogslut]

44. No way

She said that? To a reporter? A 60 Minutes reporter?

Oh, man. Wow. Just wow.

"Of course not. I take him at his word."

So passes Denethor, son of Ecthelion...

[Adelante]

54. She takes him at his word

I guess he can take her at her word that she is a Methodist and not a Muslim?

Bleh.

[BlackVelvet04]

60. Well, duh....

what else is she supposed to take except his word? She hasn't followed him around his whole life. Jesus, people, get a grip. You find offense in every damn thing she says or doesn't say.

[krispos42]

61. That is such a load of shit

From Rolling Stone...

Destiny's Child

No candidate since Robert F. Kennedy has sparked as much campaign-trail heat as Barack Obama. But can the one-term senator craft a platform to match his charisma?

BEN WALLACE-WELLS

Posted Feb 22, 2007 12:28 PM

<snip>

The Trinity United Church of Christ, the church that Barack Obama attends in Chicago, is at once vast and unprepossessing, a big structure a couple of blocks from the projects, in the long open sore of a ghetto on the city's far South Side. The church is a leftover vision from the Sixties of what a black nationalist future might look like. There's the testifying fervor of the black church, the Afrocentric Bible readings, even the odd dashiki. And there is the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, a sprawling, profane bear of a preacher, a kind of black ministerial institution, with his own radio shows and guest preaching gigs across the country. Wright takes the pulpit here one Sunday and solemnly, sonorously declares that he will recite ten essential facts about the United States. "Fact number one: We've got more black men in prison than there are in college," he intones. "Fact number two: Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run!" There is thumping applause; Wright has a cadence and power that make Obama sound like John Kerry. Now the reverend begins to preach. "We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns and the training of professional KILLERS. . . . We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God. . . . We conducted radiation experiments on our own people. . . . We care nothing about human life if the ends justify the means!" The crowd whoops and amens as Wright builds to his climax: "And. And. And! GAWD! Has GOT! To be SICK! OF THIS SHIT!"

This is as openly radical a background as any significant American political figure has ever emerged from, as much Malcolm X as Martin Luther King Jr. Wright is not an incidental figure in Obama's life, or his politics. The senator "affirmed" his Christian faith in this church; he uses Wright as a "sounding board" to "make sure I'm not losing myself in the hype and hoopla." Both the title of Obama's second book, The Audacity of Hope, and the theme for his keynote address at the Democratic National Convention in 2004 come from Wright's sermons. "If you want to understand where Barack gets his feeling and rhetoric from," says the Rev. Jim Wallis, a leader of the religious left, "just look at Jeremiah Wright."

Obama wasn't born into Wright's world. His parents were atheists, an African bureaucrat and a white grad student, Jerry Falwell's nightmare vision of secular liberals come to life. Obama could have picked any church -- the spare, spiritual places in Hyde Park, the awesome pomp and procession of the cathedrals downtown. He could have picked a mosque, for that matter, or even a synagogue. Obama chose Trinity United. He picked Jeremiah Wright. Obama writes in his autobiography that on the day he chose this church, he felt the spirit of black memory and history moving through Wright, and "felt for the first time how that spirit carried within it, nascent, incomplete, the possibility of moving beyond our narrow dreams."

<more>

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/13390609/campaign_08_the_radical_roots_of_barack_obama/print

[tavalon]

71. Who asked that question!?

Correct answer: "Why would you ask something like that and why are you asking me or anybody!?" She's been in politics way too long to fall for a "gotcha" like that.

[ElboRuum]

91. That question irritates me more than the answer...

...nevertheless... to both I must ask...

:wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf:

[sallyseven]

94. What the f k are you talking about?

I heard the exchange and there was nothing in it that raised even a suggestion that she thought 0otherwise. Your looking for bogey men where there isn't any. She could recite the pledge of allegiance and you people would find fault with it. Grow the hell up your just whinny crying adolesence.

[The River]

9. Ending the Segment with

H.R.H Hillary proclaiming she WILL be the nominee.
After all, it took Bill till June to "wrap it up".
Can it go that far?
Will she really subject us to her desperation?

Now more than ever....Texas and Ohio count.

Now there's a segment on a "pain ray gun" for crowd control.
yikes....!

[JerseygirlCT]

14. It's quite obvious now that she doesn't care about the party, or

the country. This is about HRC, and HRC only. About what she thinks is owed to her. About her own advancement.

That's really, really sad. I hope after her losses on Tuesday the entire party establishment pushes her to do the right thing and unite behind our candidate. We cannot afford another few months of her campaigning for the GOP, which is essentially what her hate ads are doing now.

[Tropics_Dude83]

16. OUTRAGE

Hillary Clinton is despicable. I won't say anymore for fear of being deleted. OMG, I am livid.

[Yael]

21. I had hoped that the party would go to her quietly and she would bow out

with dignity.

After this bullshit, catty, calculated move -- I hope Dean drags her off the next stage she plants herself on while shaking her by the shoulders and saying "Its over, Hillary. O-V-E-R, Over."

[krkaufman]

67. I hope these recent campaign ploys (hate ad & faith obfuscation) ...

... trigger a few more key Democrats to endorse Obama on Monday. She's gone far too Republican this campaign.

[Cha]

18. That's so last century hilary and

your campaign is so karl rove.

[Yael]

30. I put the Muslim comment in a new thread so that you all didn't have to burn one of yours

Linked back to here.

:grr:

[bicentennial_baby]

34. Thank you!!

:yourock:

[tularetom]

35. Do I believe the rumors about Hillary's sexual preference?

I take her at her word.

[elizm]

37. Did Hillary commit murder? I'll take her at her word. nt

[jefferson_dem]

50. Do you believe that she had Vince Foster murdered?

I'll take her at her word.

[krkaufman]

69. Is Hillary a lesbian? "No, of course not. I take her at her word."

Effectively the same as her '60 Minutes' exchange. I guess we'd have to wait for some reporter to ask Obama this question to see if he'd stoop as low as Hillary.

[jlake]

72. And that would be a very good answer.... how else would someone *know*....

I think this is feigned outrage of the highest order.

Taking someone at their word implies trust.

[Window]

80. I can assure you, there is nothing feigned about Hillary's latest bullshit...

and you know it.

[jlake]

89. No, I seriously do not understand the outrage.

[ElboRuum]

92. So is this about this...

...or something else.

I mean, granted the response she gave was pretty awkward, but when someone says they take you at your word, it's meant to say that they accept your word as the truth of the matter. What I'm trying to figure out here is why there is LESS outrage that such a baiting question should be asked in the first place as compared to the response she gave. Granted there were approximately 6.4 googleplex politically safer answers to give, but seriously, what the eff was with the question?

Maybe it's me pining away for the good old days but I thought we were in a debate here, not an episode of Fear Factor.

Was it me or was that question, philosophically speaking, nothing more than a request to stick your head in a box of angry scorpions for three minutes?

[Bullet1987]

38. I'm about to lose my respect for her...that's beyond low.

Obama always shows the utmost respect for her...too bad she can't give it back.

[elixir]

39. what a sad testiment to our party your commentary is. No one is afforded an opportunity

to answer a question. You can vivisect Hillary at will while Barack questions Hillary at every word. "You're likeable enough, Hillary" = everyone hates you Hillary.

Thanks for lowering our expectations ... again.

[susankh4]

43. Let's just take them at their word

that they mean no harm.

Geesh. They sound like a bunch of paranoid schizoprhenics.

I mean, really.

[Window]

82. And, you and Hillary supporters in this thread sound like a bunch of apologists.

[AngryOldDem]

85. That's a Rovian response if I've ever heard one.

But you just proved that you can't defend the indefensible.

[ElboRuum]

93. Don't quite see how this is indefensible...

...maybe you could explain it to me.

I find it distinctly odd that the Obama supporters in this thread lack the temerity to be outraged that such a question, so clearly crafted to be a baiting question, would be seriously asked in such a forum. I have a theory that, while most thoughtful Obama supporters would take issue with such a question being asked (since there are about 56 bajillion ways to trip over that question) of any candidate, it appears that to some, no punishment for Hillary is too great.

Look, as an Obama supporter, I reject the idea that such inflammatory questions should be asked. Now what do we have? A PRECEDENT. While some may now be rejoicing because Hillary hoisted herself up on her own petard by answering the question off the cuff rather than taking a bit more time to craft her words into something a little less awkward, consider this:

Obama will be asked questions like this now. Now that may have happened anyway, but don't be happy just because it was Hillary who got caught in the snare. Once the GE begins, its going to be the MSM doing its level best to level all kinds of innuendos at Obama by much the same means.

[AngryOldDem]

96. I know that. And it just won't be the MSM.

And why couldn't she have just said, "Yes, he is a Christian," and leave it at that, rather than plant a snarky seed of doubt that he isn't? We all know what the unspoken thought is here. Why did she answer the way she did, if she didn't want to get just one more jab in? Why the implication that he is a liar on sonething that most people hold as dear -- their religious belief?

It was uncalled for and unnecessary. Call me naive, but such comments should not be coming from people within his own party, and does not make for much of a unified party once a nominee is selected.

[ElboRuum]

97. You're presuming an intent.

You may be correct in that presumption. However, I choose to be a bit more circumspect about it. It wouldn't be the first time that a candidate didn't respond to a question or comment in a way people would have liked. I do not expect, nor want, infallibility in any candidate.

Think of it this way... what was going through Hillary's mind when she was asked that question. To me, the two most probable thoughts were as follows:

"Here's my chance to get my licks in by insinuating that Obama should not be trusted."

-or-

"Did this asshat just call Obama a liar?"

People who give Hillary the benefit of the doubt that she is not, in fact, the Antichrist might be inclined to interpret her reaction as more likely a result of the latter thought, rather than the former. Those inclined to believe that Hillary is a big cog in an evil machine might believe the former is more likely.

I've always looked at the "gaffe" as slightly different than the "clumsy answer". A "gaffe" is risibly defined as a politician accidentally telling the truth. A clumsy answer is what Hillary gave. Who cares about the whys and the wherefores about the method of providing the answer? What she was saying, at least to me, was simple:

I believe what Obama says with regards to his religious affiliation.

Now if people want to interpret what she said differently, there's little she can do. I worry, though, that Obama supporters are not looking at what the right answer to that question was... The right answer was, "Where the fuck do you get off asking a question like that?!?" If Obama supporters are not outraged by the question itself, then there is a very rude awakening ahead for them. This kind of questioning is meant to energize his opposition and will be a constant meme throughout the GE.

[Raine]

41. She is truly some peice of work...

completely DISGUSTING! :puke:

[elixir]

51. Your likeable enough, Barack.

:puke:

[Raine]

68. I agree

that was a low point.

[tridim]

87. But it wasn't a calculated statement..

And ironically it's pretty much turned out to be accurate.

[Raine]

95. True and

Obama even apologized.........still waiting for Hillary to apologize.

[Fran Kubelik]

45. It was a shitty question.

And an awkward answer. I don't think it's really that big a deal.

[sniffa]

48. Sorry, but it was

Your mileage may vary.

[elixir]

52. More like a shitty question and an awkward answer.

[Fran Kubelik]

59. Isn't that what I said?

[Hutzpa]

56. Oh it is a big deal

and don't try spinning this any other way, because she has over step the mark.

What tool she is......

:puke: :puke:

[goclark]

58. Hillary Rodham Rove nt

[NDambi]

62. LOL..I love it...Hillary Rodham Rove...three faces of never

How soon will she be gone...sigh

[goclark]

65. She sure is ~ Tuesday please get here fast

She must be off her meds.

[mod mom]

55. UFB! It reminds me of the rovian crap we've seen w *!

[Politicalboi]

73. Is Hillary a lesbian?

Is what I think ought to be the talk for Monday. I myself am and there's nothing wrong with it just like being a muslim if he was one. Hell Christians aren't any better but getting approval from Pat Robertson is a good thing. To Who? I know Obama doesn't play as dirty as Hillary but this is below the belt and she should pay big time for this shit. There is more proof that Hillary is a lesbian than there ever was that Obama is Muslim.

[BeyondGeography]

81. More proof that this woman is damaged goods

She gives herself permission to play games like this because of everything that has happened to her.

It's like this: "Reality check, America. I've gone through hell, so will Barack Obama and so will you. Tough darts."

So presidential.

[Jennicut]

86. Combine it with the "red phone" commericial=Rovian tactics for sure

Well, we all know Bill and Bush-one are "friendly" so I'm not surprised by this in the least. Hillary has been real supportive of Gore and Kerry in the past. Lets see how much "support" she gives Barack when if wins the nomination.