New problem: Thuggish Obama posters make me not want to vote Dem any more

[splat]

For the first time in my long adult life, I've become disgusted with what used to be my fellow Democrats.

If all these new voters think our choice of government thrives on this sort of snark, I don't want anything to do with them or their candidate, who seems not to discourage any of this.

The rampant sexism and need to dominate, as though this were merely a violent video game, reeks of locker rooms.

How are you going to put the party back together again after you've sneered us out of caring any more? I have no interest in "uniting" with you, after what I've seen typed here.

More snark in reply won't advance your cause. This is a serious and huge question as you enjoy your Sunday flamefest.

[Adelante]

1. Oh, great, another fucking lecture

Thanks.

[SoFlaJet]

18. 2 more days Wes

only two more fucking days and hopefully all this crap ends and the scores of Clinton supporters who have made similar threats will go back to the holes from whence they came since they won't be welcome here anymore pushing their anti-democratic rhetoric when we need to be unifying the party to beat the republicans in November. 2 days, only 2 more days and it's over trust me

[JVS]

28. 2 days + 1 week.

[MonkeyFunk]

89. Oh, we'll still be allowed to post lots of nice things about Clinton

I know you'd like nothing more than for all of us to shut up and go away, but that's not going to happen. Cheap little thugs like you are a dime a dozen. We're used to it.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

107. OK, I'll trust you. But you better not let me down. Ya hear?

[polmaven]

116. "when we need to be unifying the party".....

"They" WON'T BE WELCOME HERE ANYMORE???????

A couple of weeks ago, I went to the Obama forum to congratulate his supporters and to compliment the campaign he was running. I said that, if he was the nominee, I would happily join in.

But now....."they won't be WELCOME here"????????

Way to unify SoFlaJet.

[MethuenProgressive]

40. If he wins, it'll be nice when the HillaryHaters are gone and only real Obama supporter remain.

After Hillary is defeated there'll be little for the haters do do or say here anymore.

[ScottS]

93. I sort of agree. The Hillary supporters seem to follow her campaign with their constant negativity.

[Darth_Kitten]

109. Seems like the Hillary supporters have been on DU for a long time......

it's the Hillary bashers with just a few posts to their name who are causing the most disruption.

[BuyingThyme]

2. Somehow I always miss the sexism threads.

(Except the one I posted.)

[Arkana]

3. You know, I could say the same of elitist, snot-assed Hillary supporters.

[flordehinojos]

16. i suppose since you have no real charge to make, you need to make it offensive.

it must work for you, and something the original poster said must have stepped on your corn.

[Arkana]

113. Have you paid attention at ALL to some

of the LOVELY invectives that Hillary people here have made up for us Obama supporters?

Wake the fuck up--your hands are as dirty as ours, if not more. And don't give me that line about "What happened to unity guyz?" Barack himself may take the high road, but I think his supporters on an internet message board can get as emotional as they want.

And, collectively, a lot of the Hillary people here are snot-assed. I bristle whenever I see something like "HAY GUYS ONLY DEMOCRATS SHOULD VOTE FOR A DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE FOR PRESIDENT!" Does that mean I can't choose our nominee? I'm registered Independent, after all. I guess that means I don't count--and the same could be said for any Dem-leaning Independent out there.

[flordehinojos]

132. really?

in his article Race Man: How Barack Obama played the race card and blamed Hillary Clinton, Sean Wilentz,of The New Republic, after detailed facts supporting just how BO played the race card and blamed clinton, ends the article, thus:

"it may strike some as ironic that the racializing should be coming from a black candidate's campaign and its supporters. But this is an American presidential campaign--and there is a long history of candidates who are willing to inflame the most deadly passions in our national life in order to get elected. Sadly, it is what Barack Obama and his campaign gurus have done for months-- with the aid of their media helpers on the news and op-ed pages and on cable television, mocked by "SNL" as in the tankfor Obama. They promise to continue until they win the nomination, by any means necessary."

You are free to vote for whoever you want to vote ... but voting for whoever you want to vote does not mean that you have to blame the sins of your candidate on his opposing candidate. that is exactly what BO has done--and that is what you too are doing.

[cliffordu]

17. RE: Snot assed....

:rofl: :rofl:

[adoraz]

4. you should be disgusted with EVERYTHING here then

yes, that includes Hillary supporters. And there is rampant sexism from them too.

point is, don't use DU to make an opinion on a candidate's supporters. many people here are hardcore.

[Yael]

5. If you are willing to turn this country over to John McCain because of what a few anonymous

people on the internet wrote -- you should really be in deep thought about your priorities.

[supernova]

6. Can you give an example?

I haven't seen much Obama advertising to be honest.

[taterguy]

7. If your decision to vote is based on an Internet message board then you've got bigger problems

Perhaps you should go outside for a walk

Just a suggestion

:hi:

[JVS]

13. We'll just have to find a way to take someone who doesn't act like a baby to the polls.

[Dhalgren]

98. What if your decision is based on Obama lying about NAFTA?

[JVS]

8. Waaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!

[aaroh]

76. I wonder if Splat needs a tissue?

[JVS]

77. I happen to have a special box right here

But be sparing with them, I'm trying to save them for when Hillary drops out.

[aaroh]

106. lol

[Vinca]

9. It's your vote. More war or less war. Your choice. nt

[splat]

14. I haven't seen any peaceful intent here at all

It's all war!

[Vinca]

30. I meant war in the larger sense - as in dead Iraqi children. nt

[MethuenProgressive]

43. So Obama has officially announced a "more war" position?

Because Clinton has pledged to end it.

[Orangepeel]

51. .

double post

[Orangepeel]

52. McCain has

I believe Vinca is counting his chickens. :D

[shadowknows69]

10. Sorry we had to sling the shit Clinton was spewing back at her.

[Skinner]

11. Self-deleted. (nt)

[NightWatcher]

37. aw come on, you had it right before.

I cant believe your head hasnt exploded reading some of this stuff.

[Maddy McCall]

46. .

Probably best to delete that.

[Forkboy]

72. what he said.

[Sultana]

12. Thuggish???

Racist much, sheesh! :eyes:

take a chill pill.

[Yavin4]

22. I was about to post the same thing as you

"Thug" is the new pc word for "nigger".

[oasis]

48. "huh"? is the new pc term for "you don't know what the hell you're talking about".

:eyes:

[Recursion]

64. Thuggish = confident dark-skinned male

Always has. Oh well.

[JVS]

69. defiance is in that definition somewhere.

[Recursion]

78. Yeah, that's what I was trying to get at by "confident"

A dark-skinned male who doesn't give his "betters" their due

:puke:

[lapfog_1]

130. Thug entered the English language through the British East India

company. The Thuggees were (are???) a long standing Indian mafia of sorts, operating since before the 1200s AD.

Definitely brown skinned... confident? Hmmm, that attribute doesn't leap off the page at me.

[ldf]

97. apparently we can change the definition of words any time we want..

per merriam webster:

thug

a brutal ruffian or assassin : gangster, tough

but then, in some quarters, that is a complement.

this doesn't even warrant a :shrug:

but i'm sure you were joking...

[Recursion]

125. No, I'm not joking

I don't imply racist intent where none was consciously meant, but it is without doubt a codeword in today's society.

[lapfog_1]

128. Actually Indian in origin. The Thuggees were an Indian mafia

of sorts...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thuggee

definitely brown skinned.

[Forkboy]

73. Third time I've seen it here in the last 24 hours.

[yourguide]

15. I have seen the same unpleasantness from HRC supporters

So please stop with the rhetoric. Threads devoted to tearing down Obama trying to make sure he goes up in flames because of rezko, as well as nasty racist drivel.

BOTH sides are guilty.

And truthfully, I have no interest in "uniting" with HRC after the way she and her campaign has behaved over the past 3 weeks.

This is not a snark reply, I have voted for 20 years and have seen unpleasantness from both sides, so perhaps give up the rhetoric and at least try and be fair.

[blogslut]

19. Get over it

Mean people on the Interwebs cannot force you to do anything. If you want to relinquish your right to participate in the process, you made that choice. Don't put your responsibilities on other people. You choose.

[cali]

20. With all due respect, let me point out a couple of things:

1) Your decison about voting shouldn't be influenced by anonymous posters on the internet.

2) It's erroneous to make the assumption that Obama voters are largely new voters. I'm not a new voter, nor are most of the folks in my little village who will be going to town meeting on Tuesday and voting for Obama.

3) The snark and nastiness has NOT been one sided here. At all. There has been racism and ugliness as well as sexism.

4) You're mistaking the internet for real life.

[KAZ]

21. You want Obama to comment on DU posts?

[patrice]

23. Please consider the im-morality of Preventitive War as you make this decision.

Some things are bigger than the candidates.

[Faygo Kid]

24. Series? Hugh?

Guess we'll have to elect Barack without your help.

Apparently his winning by the rules isn't something you care for. Sorry you feel that way.

All the best, anyway.

[OhioBlue]

25. then you need a break from DU.

Why don't you call up your local County Chair and see what fundraisers, dinners, etc are being planned and help with them. Get involved in a local race - the people running for County Commissioner or State Rep would welcome any help you could give them.

[susankh4]

135. My thoughts exactly.

I am looking at the local races now. To see who I may wish to support.

If Hillary drops out... I can always vote "present" for the top office.

[JVS]

26. I found this in the kitchen. Perhaps you'd like to cry in it.

[splat]

27. Not a single serious reply yet: How are you going to put the party back together after this?

[yourguide]

33. You know what?

when you acknowledge that BOTH parties are guilty of this.

Grow up.

[patrice]

34. #23 nt

[Faygo Kid]

39. The party is together. And it is going to endorse Obama.

You will have to make your own decision, and that's the way it should be. But just because you want your candidate to win doesn't make it happen. Barack will be the nominee. That's the way the process works. I hope you will reconsider and support him, when you consider the alternative.

[blogslut]

47. The party will be fine

In fact, the party is better than ever. We're finally weeding out the money/polling/consultant/DLC machine.
I promise you, we'll embrace you and all will be well. Your choice is whether or not you want to make amends.

[OhioBlue]

58. my reply was serious

it is ridiculous to refuse to vote Dem b/c of what is on an internet site. Get out into the real world. Go be around some Dems in real life. volunteer with your local party or local races. You will feel better.

[murielm99]

82. Thank you for your post.

We need all the help we can get out here in grassroots territory.

But if you think this fighting has not descended to our level, think again. Much of our leadership tries to put a stop to it. We do have a great deal to do.

[OhioBlue]

85. I understand. But it will be over soon

and if you can work together for Joe or Jane Smith for State Rep, you will be more fulfilled and using your energy for something positive than arguing about the Presidential Primary.

We've been lucky in my County - our chair has remained "officially neutral" and for our Women's group the President is for Hillary and I'm for Obama - we stood together to let our ladies know that we encourage everyone to volunteer for the campaign of their choice and to act respectful of the other candidate. We also stressed party unity post Primary.

[murielm99]

91. I am running for a higher office at the county level.

Our convention is Wednesday. Only elected precinct committeemen get to vote, and their votes are weighted by the number of votes they received in the primary.

This seemed like a perfect time for our sitting chairman to bow out. He has held his office for six years, which is about enough, since it is so much work. He will still be advising us as we train new officers and precinct committeemen.

There is so much interest in this election that we were able to fill some precincts that have been vacant in the past. And it may be possible to get some new volunteers and to raise a bit more money than we have been doing.

We had a brainstorming session with the candidate who is running for Congress against the republican incumbent. There were all kinds of people there who have never come to this type of event in the past. Many of them were young. Right after the convention, I am going to seek out these younger Democrats to see if I can keep them in the fold and get a little bit more volunteer work out of them.

We have to caucus in a state senator to replace a Democrat who has resigned, and we are working for another one in our county who just might be able to replace an incumbent. Many people have no idea how important these offices can be. And we have to help these candidates financially. Most of them have no money other than what comes out of their own pockets.

[AngryAmish]

29. The thugs gave me the vapors!!!!!!

Are you made out of sugar candy?

[MethuenProgressive]

31. If Hillary wins, they'll leave. If Obama wins the HillaryHaters will leave.

And only we real Democrats will remain. Chin up, won't be long til they're gone.

[Cha]

32. That's right, splat, it's all about

you. An ego-centric post to let us know how sorry you feel for yourself.

:nopity: :nopity:

[sandnsea]

35. At least we don't thuggishly STEAL ELECTIONS n/t

[rug]

56. She's such a thug, stealing 11 elections.

[book_worm]

36. Funny how all of you can discount all the thuggish Clinton posters

Why don't you just grow up. If you're going to stop voting democratic due to activity on a message board then you spend way too much time on it. Get outside. Breath fresh air. Millions of voters are turning out for these candidates far out-numbering the GOP side. But you don't feel like voting democratic because of posts on DU. (you delivered a lecture, so I respond in kind).

[Johnny__Motown]

38. It looks like a double standard. Clinton has become a slime machine, Address this please

[DemGa]

41. It's coming from the TOP DOWN

It was a central them of the Obama himself: Hillary is "divisive and polarizing"--this is the source of the hate, make no mistake. Obama claims the "new politics" while he travels around condemning Hillary in his passive aggressive tone -- same "snark" as his followers.

The candidate always sets the tone and content. This which emanates from BO is especially virulent and divisive.

[Orangepeel]

62. c'mon. Obama certainly doesn't say anything worse about Clinton that she says about him

and his campaign doesn't say anything worse about her than her campaign says about him. It's absolutely two-sided.

He's winning now, because more voters seem to be looking for change and he's more credible as a "change" candidate and his campaign is better at money management and GOTV. But in terms of fighting a hard primary campaign, Clinton gives at least as good as she gets.

[DemGa]

71. I would say that is incorrect, but not my main point

Obama used perceptions created by the right-wing slander Hillary endured -- against Hillary. He used the weapons of the opposition on a fellow Democrat; it's no wonder he speaks in praise of repugs like Reagan.

[ecstatic]

42. It must be nice to be you... Where your vote is dependent on message board comradery

and not on real life issues, such as civil rights for all, policies that will strengthen the middle class, and bring people out of poverty. It REALLY must be nice.

[Trajan]

44. Idiots on both sides ....

Idiocy is not candidate-dependent - It is human-dependent ....

So, while your call for unity is admirable - Your premise is defective ...

[patrice]

57. T - R - U - E !!! nt

[Window]

45. I'm sorry, but you need to call out both sides.

Unless, of course, you're a Hillary supporter.

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

49. You know, I used to love popsicles, then I saw some ass-clown eating one.

I automatically, by sheer deductive logic, figured that I could no longer eat popsicles because of that jerk. I mean, how could I ever enjoy the icy-bliss of a popsicle when I know that pube is enjoying it probably equally as much? You see, I've come to realize that I actually no longer matter. No, I've decided to look at the people I loathe most in this world, see what they enjoy (or hate) and then declare my own hatred (love) for that very thing.

Oh, yeah, fuck Copernicus--the mother-fuckin' sun revolves around me!

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

50. Oh dear If you're disgusted by being a Democrat right now, when we're

seeing such enthusiasm for our candidates, I'm thinking you might be over reacting. Just a little.

[zulchzulu]

53. What issues are you embarrassed about Hillary to have to play the "poor me" card?

If you can't point out specific reasons why you feel comments are "rampant sexism and need to dominate" and can defend issues brought up with linked analysis to back up your claim, then I would suggest you stick around the Lounge and talk about flowers and snowballs.

Stop whining.

[rodeodance]

54. I hope you are taking of two threads using dead soldiers to diss Hillary on. ************

[Faygo Kid]

59. ?????

Maybe you have had more wine than I have, rodeodance.

Just a lovely sip or two for me. And you?

[Garbo 2004]

55. No "snark," just think about the Supreme Court for a few minutes:

As Hillary would say, "reality check." There's a larger world out there. This forum ain't it.

You don't want snark, try this substantive thread about the SCOTUS: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4653714

[ElsewheresDaughter]

60. Telling a thoughtful poster how to think..I'm sure some of us know how to "consider" such things

[Forkboy]

74. I'll be sure to correct your numerous spelling errors from now on.

Now that we know it's so important to you and all.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

86. sure have a go and I will gladly lift that big ol'boulder off of your shoulder.....

come'mere give me a kiss:*

[Forkboy]

88. That would be "come here".

[ElsewheresDaughter]

90. now.....I node that

:hide:

[Garbo 2004]

79. I've brought up SCOTUS to Obama supporters who've said they won't vote for Hillary in the GE,

to Hillary supporters who've said they won't vote for Obama in the GE and to others who've said they won't vote for either in the GE. My candidate has always been the US Constitution and for that reason, any Dem who gets the nomination.

[Omega3]

122. have you looked at his "votes" on Abortion and gay rights? if so you'd realize that there's no way

we can even reasonably predict who he'd nominate. I'm not sure they'd be any more progressive than McCain's noms.

[Recursion]

61. Again with "thuggish"

And I'm really supposed to believe there are no racist overtones in about a dozen posts using the word "thuggish"?

[JVS]

63. It just happens periodically

Oh shit! I just said periodically

:hide:

[ecstatic]

70. I've caught that too nt

[NashVegas]

96. Again With "Thug" = "Nigger"?

What's up with that?

I keep seeing that Obama voters are supposed to be highly educated, but I'm guessing it's all about GPA and less about knowledge.

[Recursion]

103. Luckily, I speak Hindi

So I'm pretty familiar with the etymology of "thug"*.

But, yes, "thug" is currently a safe way for white people to say "nigger" nowadays.

* it's actually originally from a fairly obscure Dravidian language, IIRC

[NashVegas]

104. That's Just the Biggest Piece of Bullshit Imaginable

Or has the phrase "jackbooted thug" never caught your ear?

[Recursion]

105. Oh how I love being told what terms are and aren't racist...

Yes, adding "jack-booted" changes the sense of "thug", but "jack-booted thug" is not what's being said.

What I've seen is Obama supporters being called "thugs" and "thuggish" in about 5 or 6 threads in the past 24 hours, and "thug" has, for quite some time, been a fairly safe anti-black codeword.

When I start seeing jackboots mentioned, your point will finally have some relevance, and I'll address that part then.

[NashVegas]

115. Almost As Much As You Like Dictating What Terms Are and Aren't?

Obama supporters on DU and Kos have been described as thugs for far more than 24 hours. People are describing a behavior. And from where I'm sitting, oh boy does the shoe fit.

This won't be the first time Obama's campaign or supporters called something racist that wasn't. Y'all have been trying to shut down any anti-Obama talk by bullying others and that's why it's called "thuggery."

Where was your talk of racism in the past 7 years DUers have thrown around the word "Rethugs." Is that racist, too?

[JVS]

111. Isn't that a wingnut term for any representative of the law enforcement community?

[BlueJac]

65. New problem: Thuggish Hillary posters make me not want to vote Dem any more

For the first time in my long adult life, I've become disgusted with what used to be my fellow Democrats.

If all these old voters think our choice of government thrives on this sort of snark, I don't want anything to do with them or their candidate, who seems not to discourage any of this.

The rampant racism and need to dominate, as though this were merely a violent video game, reeks of locker rooms.

How are you going to put the party back together again after you've sneered us out of caring any more? I have no interest in "uniting" with you, after what I've seen typed here.

More snark in reply won't advance your cause. This is a serious and huge question as you enjoy your Sunday flamefest.

[Melinda]

66. OMG, back away from your pc and turn it off. The moment online discussion boards begin to have...

such control over one's real life judgment is the time to call it a day. Seriously. I'm not kidding.

[proud2BlibKansan]

67. I am quite sure McCain will appreciate your support

There is a home for you if you just can't force yourself to vote for the Democrat.

[OzarkDem]

68. They are very un-Democratic

Perhaps too many spend too much time at right wing sites. They use many of the same talking points.

[yourguide]

75. Oh, that's right...

you're either with HRC or with the republicans again.

sounds a lot like "you're either with us or you're with the terrorists"

Stop. Grow up.

[Tennessee Gal]

80. It hurts me to say so, but I agree with the OP.

[leftofthedial]

81. I imagine the feeling is mutual

if these are legitimately your feelings

[Raine]

83. WHY allow "thugs" who support either candidate

to cause you to vote against your own interest. If you do than it's YOUR fault not theirs. No matter what side you're on vote or don't vote because of the candidate. Don't let your vote be because of supporters that the candidate has no control over.

WHY would you not care anymore about yourself or your country just because of people on a message board that you don't even know?

Edit: changed one word

[Political Heretic]

84. "thuggish posters make me want to just let american boys and girls continue to be murdered"

I fixed your headline.

[Darth_Kitten]

110. People who are overwhelmed by hype are the ones doing that.

Voters in general need a big wake up call.

[theboss]

87. Then you clearly need to move to an isolated cabin somewhere

Seriously, if you are influenced by anoymous posters on a message board, you are probably far too sensitive to actually interact with real human beings on a daily basis.

Get some soybean seeds and a copy of "Into the Wild" and have at it, chief.

[Spider Jerusalem]

92. There's just as much nastiness, if not more, coming from CLINTON supporters.

Mote and beam.

[FreeJoe]

94. Wow

I'm new here. A friend recommended it. At the moment, I'm not sure why. I like both candidates and feel that the Dems have had an embarrassment of riches compared with the Repubs. I'm amazed at the level of discourse here. If this is the way the core of the party is behaving, the Republicans may have a chance after all.

[Demagitator]

95. 9% of all Obama support is from Obamapukes

It is estimated in the polls that all Obama support is from Repukes; that voted for Obama, but will vote McCain in the General election. Obamapukes only intention is to divide and conquer; by infecting our great liberal democratic process.

That is why I recently decided to support Hillary, because she is anti Repuke. Perhaps not a great record of anti-Repuke legislation, but she had to -- accept some unfair DLC policies because of her husband.

[Laurab]

99. But what about the "thuggish" Hillary supporters?

Do they bother you at all? There certainly are just as many of them. I'm not a "new voter", I support Obama, and I don't see Obama tearing the party apart - in fact, what I see is Hillary doing a very good job of it.

After HRC's vile comment today on 60 minutes, I don't even want her as my SENATOR anymore.

Do you notice the "thuggish" Hillary supporters? If not, why not? I notice them for BOTH candidates, and if you take a look, you will, too. It's just interesting to me that you think only Obama supporters are bad...

[Name removed]

100. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[emilyg]

101. Good post.

I'm with you.

[jeffrey_X]

102. :gangsigns:

lol

[NewHampster]

108. ditto

and although it makes me sad I think I'll still give it another chance because...

I think all the rethugs posing as Obama supporters will be long gone from DU before November.

I think most Obama supporters are just as good as my friends in camp hill, it is the disgusting minority I speak of.

[Mz Pip]

112. Fine, Don't.

Make your decisions based on what people post on anonymous message boards. Let people you've never met, never seen and probably never will influence your decision.

This is not a snarky reply. I just find it bizarre that anyone would base a decision as important as voting for the President of the US on what some anonymous poster wrote.

I've seen a lot of vitriolic Hillary threads but I'll still vote for her if she's the nominee. The SCOTUS is more important than my ego or some insult by someone I don't know.

[splat]

114. Thug is from "thuggee" in sanskrit

Wikipedia
Thuggee (or tuggee, ठग्गी) (from Hindi thag ‘thief’, from Sanskrit sthaga ‘scoundrel’, from sthagati ‘to conceal’) was an Indian network of secret fraternities engaged in murdering and robbing travellers, operating from the 17th century (possibly as early as 13th century) to the 19th century. This is the origin of the term "thug", as many Indian words passed into common English during British Imperial rule of India.

People used to learn that in school. Guess they don't any more.


Thanks for the replies. Some of you seem like nice people, and I hope the rest are the drop-in rethugs NewHampster mentions in #108.

If not, don't assume the Dems you're dissing can be bullied into unity.

[Avalux]

117. If you expect me to woo your support and beg you to vote Dem, forget it.

Your post is not serious; and from what you've written, you're not serious about voting Democratic.

[Hepburn]

118. OMFG.....call a WHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaambulance for you!

h h h h h h h

Here, have a few....just in case you feel the need again....:eyes:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

119. Yes. Cause When It Comes To Voting For President, It's ALL About Who People Like On Message Boards.

:rofl:

[CyberPieHole]

120. Not to worry. Obama does not need our votes or support if he gets the nomination...

Obama and his CULT can do it on their own.

:kick: and rec

[susankh4]

136. They seem to think so.

That's OK.

Four years of McCain won't be all bad.

[davidpdx]

141. It's coming from both sides

And I somewhat understand why. I've said some heated things (not on this site, but another one) toward Clinton supporters. But the above poster is a good example of the stuff coming from the Hillary Clinton side. If accusing Obama supporters of being a "cult" isn't negative, I'm not sure what is.

[goclark]

121. Have Clinton supporters looked in the mirror?

Every time I see a post I have to plow through all these hateful words and slams about Obama and all of us being in a cult and lost in a cloud..

Yes, we love OBAMA and yes, you love Hillary but don't play innocent because you all have been a "mean machine" around here.

[ZombieHorde]

123. Every group has bad apples. nt

[Umbram]

124. Rejected.

Ability to determine own bias: Fail.
Ability to separate internet from reality: Fail.
Ability to determine proportionality: Fail.
Ability to mask contrived rage so as to appear credible: Fail.

[Catherine Vincent]

126. You're right. Some Obama supporters here are thuggish.

Thuggish assholes.

[Stand and Fight]

127. I don't necessarily agree, but I can see exactly where you're coming from.

Recommended because this needed to be said.

[cooolandrew]

129. We've been called sexist cultist, deluded in sincerity, can you say, it is one sided....

I do very much hope for unity,, and I feel for environmental sakes it is in all Americans intrest to vote Democrat, and for greater peace and less enemies.

[krkaufman]

131. "their candidate, who seems not to discourage any of this"

I would prefer that my candidate not be specifically concerned about the behavior of people on internet discussion forums. And, in that respect, I am equally satisfied with HC & BO, in that I expect neither is at all aware of the "snark" of their respective supporters on forums such as DU.

p.s. And it's not a "new problem" at all. Only the names have changed, and the problem exists in equal measure for both remaining camps.

[greguganus]

133. SHAME!! SHAME ON YOU OBAMA SUPPORTERS!

(snark snark)

[susankh4]

134. You aren't alone

Thanks for standing up with the truth.

Hang in there... it's only a primary. And it ain't over yet.

[saltpoint]

137. We don't represent anywhere near the majority of Democratic primary and

caucus voters across the country.

We aren't running Hillary Clinton's campaign.

We vote 1 vote each, same as you.

[JoFerret]

138. Gloating brown shirts

...come to mind.
And for what?

They are in a swoon.

Never mind. This too will pass.
Too late for this election probably which is a terrible shame for ALL of us.

[taterguy]

139. Damnit you've figured us out

All Obama supporters are closet Nazis

Our plot to kill several million people has just been ruined by your meddling.

Damn you

Damn you straight to hell

[JVS]

142. Hillary is awful!

:P

[bklyncowgirl]

140. Surely, Splat, as an intelligent person, you realize that judging a candidate by posters on a blog..

...or a bulleting board is foolish.

You're talking about judging a presidential candidate by a tiny subset of supporters who apparently appear to have unlimited time to hang out on Democratic Underground and who have become insanely passionate about their candidate. Hillary Clinton also has supporters who I for one would prefer not to meet in the real world.

Unless you really like the idea of John McCain appointing the next round of Supreme Court justices, I suggest you get over it. I will say the same to rabid Obamaniacs who say the same thing.

[mmonk]

143. Calling people names is not effective.

[ms liberty]

144. Neither of the candidates were my preferred choice...

or even my preferred second choice. This place has been overrun by thuggish behavior from more than one side - it's been both. It does not reflect well on the candidates they seek to defend that these posters exhibit such disgusting behavior. This place has largely become a cesspool of slime, half-truths, deception and spin by people who have no manners or civility and treat politics like a football game. Which is why I've avoided most of the threads, or have refrained from joining the fray.

I'll be glad when it's over and we have a nominee. It's not going to be the person I really want, but I'll pull the lever for the Democratic nominee no matter which one it ends up being. There is one candidate that I prefer over the other...but I'm not going to address that in this post. I didn't come to my preference because of any of the threads about the candidate, either pro or con so it is not germaine to this reply.

[mojowork_n]

145. If this is such "a serious and huge question," why's your post...

...only five (5) very short paragraphs long? (7 sentences, all together?)

Spread out as much as possible, with double returns after almost each one of the sentences?

It hasn't happened every time, but often enough. When I've gone to one of these "Obama's Bad", or "Obama Posters Are ALL Bad" posts, looking for some specific context -- at least an honest starting point for a worthwhile discussion -- that's what I've found.

An economy of words, jazzed up with an inflammatory choice of adjectives, and no depth or substance, at all.

[anonymous171]

146. More sexism.

Not in calling out sexism, but in the "need to dominate, as though this were merely a violent video game, reeks of locker rooms." statement.