I believe the Democratic Party is being seized by some unknown financial power source or some elite

[NJmaverick]

"I believe the Democratic Party is being seized by some unknown financial power source or some elite secret/mysterious group."

This was the start of a popular post (37 recs) by a Hillary supporter.


You know I was simply amazed by this statement. "The party is being seized by an UNKNOWN". Well I got news for you. That unknown power is THE AMERICAN PEOPLE! That's right, while Hillary is skilled at working the back rooms, the party elite and the Washington power brokers, Obama has decided he would take his case directly to the American people. The PEOPLE, that's right the ones that vote, work, live and try to raise families in this great nation of ours. It's a sad commentary on the Hillary camp and her supporters that the voice of the AMERICAN PEOPLE is so foreign to them. That to them, the people are some sort of mysterious power or elite mysterious group. It's some what damning that they feel the AMERICAN PEOPLE are something to fear. Perhaps from their perspective and goal, they are.

[jlake]

1. why don't you take your blinders off for a sec and look around.

[NJmaverick]

2. I was hoping that you might do that very same thing

When you view the American public as a threat and mysterious force.... well that's just an indication that some where along the way, you lost your direction.

[jlake]

Dupe. Delete.

[jlake]

6. You don't understand the point of that OP.

The American people are being led around like sheep.
Remember the lead up to the Iraq war? Don't tell me it doesn't happen.

[chascarrillo]

13. jlake's got a point. "Remember the lead up to the Iraq War?"

And just look at his avatar.

[jlake]

19. Do you disagree that it is easy for the "powers that be" to get the American

people to go along with their agenda?

[NJmaverick]

24. Obama is hardly the "powers to be"

Secondly have you seen the crowds and the enthusiasm of the Obama supporters. Why can't you believe that people are capable of making their OWN choices. Why can't you understand that so many of them WANT Obama to be their President, because they are sick of the way things have been?

[jlake]

27. Obama is supported by the powers that be.... MSM anyone?

[NJmaverick]

32. MSM- Million Supporter's Money?

Is that what you mean?

[jlake]

33. Just the sheep who have followed the MAINSTREAM CORPORATE MEDIA'S

worship.

[NJmaverick]

40. So the people are sheep

No wonder your camp views them with such hostility and contempt. I would like to think that we can have a leader that thinks better of the American people.

[jlake]

51. 95% of Americans supported GWB after 9/11 & the Iraq War - so Yes I would say so.

[NJmaverick]

52. If the PEOPLE that support Obama are "sheep"

What are the people that support Hillary?

[jlake]

53. Free thinkers and those opposed to continued war.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

55. Ok..........I Get It Now

You are mocking Hillary Clinton.

Sorry...... didn't get it the first few posts.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

62. the war that Hillary voted for n/t

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

66. *pow*

[NJmaverick]

67. So why are Hillary supporters "free thinkers"

and Obama's "sheep"? That seems to be a self serving statement.

[jlake]

68. Because one group has decided what is best *despite* what the media says, while the other

goes along with what the media says.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

73. The media says the Earth is round.

[jlake]

75. Not Fox News... they have debated it.

Hilly! Hilly! Hilly!

An Obama victory won't equal a hill o' beans.... it will guarantee Bush's 3rd term for McCain!
Support the Democrat. Support Hillary Clinton!
Pennsylvania is Clinton Country!
Go Hillary!

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

78. That explains it.

[NJmaverick]

76. So the people and the media are all wrong

Only the people supporting Hillary are right. Why am I finding that a rather difficult position to believe?

[jlake]

80. Did you think the people and media were right when they were behind Bush?

if not, your argument holds no water. If so, you shouldn't be here.

[NJmaverick]

81. You know there is a commercial that airs

Says past performance doesn't not ensure future results. In other words it's a logical fallicy to suggest that one failing, means they will fail in all future judgements. I would also point out that by 2004 the vast majority of the media endorsed Kerry over Bush. So were they wrong and stupid then?

You know in poker, one can win the pot with a pair of twos. That doesn't mean it's a good hand.

[yourguide]

82. Lest ye forget

that Clinton had ALL of the media coverage, until she lost in Iowa.

[lumberjack_jeff]

72. Mostly people who arrived here by process of elimination. n/t

[donheld]

91. What are the people that support Hillary?

Goats

[fightthegoodfightnow]

57. That's Right........ Stand by Clinton and Bush

It's a sure way to get Obama elected.

Are you really going to point to 9/11 and the Iraq war as reasons to vote for Clinton?

Good grief.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

63. did you get that from FAUX news?

cause I don't know anyone except repugs who supported Bush, even then.

[jlake]

65. Link:

http://politicalarithmetik.blogspot.com/2005/11/approval-of-president-bush-2001.html

[PassingFair]

84. 95 % Bullcrap!

90% of Earth's population,
and 51 percent of Americans
were against going into Iraq.

[superkia]

88. Your memory isnt that great. When the campaigns started, the..

MSM wouldn't stop talking about the elites number one but they didn't expect the American people to be sick and tired of being broke and they voted. I was a Kucinich supporter and am voting for Obama because he isn't as connected to the powers like the Clintons, maybe you should take a step back, take a breath and realize that the MSM was selling Clinton hard when this began. Clinton is the elites first choice and if they cant have her, it will be McCain or martial law and we keep bush. If they allow Obama in office, I would expect another false flag event and this time they will make sure we really feel the next one.

[smoogatz]

34. So when Hillary was the media anointed, months before the first vote

had been cast, was she supported by the PTB? What happened—did they have a falling out? Did Hillary burn her DLC membership card or something?

[jlake]

36. They found someone they like infinitely better.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

48. Got It -------- It's the Media's Fault, it's the Cons Fault, it's the .... what.....

...... American people's fault?

Give me a break. Clinton can't have it both ways.

[smoogatz]

49. I think you're confusing the "media" with the "voters."

The Hillary-bot narrative that somehow Obama stole the media's affections (the cad!) is ridiculous and self-serving. Hillary was inevitable until Iowa, and then suddenly she wasn't. The narrative changed because shit happened, not the other way around. In general, the media have been very friendly to Hillary. The guy they really hated was Edwards.

[NJmaverick]

41. Those damn elections

where the PEOPLE get to have their say... That's what happened.

[smoogatz]

50. Something must be done about them.

We can't have the wrong sort of people making decisions for the right sort of people, now can we?

[fightthegoodfightnow]

43. Good Grief

Obama represents the 'powers that be.'

You've got to be kidding me.

You really need to look at your candidate. It's not like you haven't had almost two decades to do so.

[NJmaverick]

18. "The American people are being led"

When's the last time that could be said. That a candidate had the ability to LEAD this nation. Not just sieze control, not just manage and muddle along, but to actually LEAD. True leadership is a rare and special quality. A smart nation recognizes that and takes advanatage of those that have that ability.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

39. Stop Walking with One Then

Hillary walked right off the cliff with the rest of the pack lead by Bush.

[Hepburn]

61. Isn't that just too...

..baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad for your candidate who swallowed the Bush Kool Aid and fucking asked for more.

:eyes:

[EmilyAnne]

94. The American people didn't vote for the Iraq War.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

3. Sure YOU Look at WHERE Hillary's Money is Coming In From

Please do.

All I need to know is she is getting more money from the pharmaceutical companies than her opponent.

[yourguide]

8. she has gotten

over $1,000,000 in donations from PAC money and nearly a million in lobbyist contributions.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

4. Self Deleted

Duplicate post. Not sure why.

[yourguide]

7. Why dont you go to opensecrets.org

and see that the bulk of obama's money is coming from individual donors...yup, WE are the force my friend. US.

[NJmaverick]

9. Obama's 1 million citizen donors

A very special thing my friend.

[MadBadger]

30. Here ya go

[Hepburn]

59. LMBO........

.....we are SERIOUSLY talking pot/kettle with this post. You witout a doubt are one of the most totally blind posters on the DU. You have NO clue 99% of the time about anything and hardly, if ever, post anything relevant.

Hillary is toast....deal with your poor choice in a candiate and stop taking YOUR problems and HERS out on others, OK?

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

60. Rupert Murdock campaign fundraiser for Hillary

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4842249&mesg_id=4846082

[Tom Joad]

5. "About to be??" it has never ceased to be a creature of special interests

and that has been what we are working to stop.

[lumberjack_jeff]

10. I have become convinced that Obama is a trojan horse

Read chapter 7 of The Shock Doctrine.

We cheer and applaud when half of Republicans choose to vote for Obama in the Democratic primary, then scratch our heads and dismiss polls which indicate that Republicans intend to vote for McCain in the general.

Republicans are voting for Obama because it assures a win-win scenario in the general election.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

15. Nonsense

They would much rather run against the evil Billary campaign who they helped create to begin with. Having Billary run would be a wet dream for cons who loathe them.

[lumberjack_jeff]

22. How could you possibly conclude that.

Republicans are voting for Obama.

This fact is explained by one of two phenomena;
1) they've seen the light and abandoned conservatism
2) an Obama nomination furthers conservative goals

And now the second fact; polls indicate that McCain leads.

That pretty much rules out explanation 1).

[fightthegoodfightnow]

26. Ridiculous

Clinton is and always has been the rapid bite that makes the GOP a mad dog.

[NJmaverick]

35. Not all Republicans are conservatives

There once, before Newt and Karl made them extinct (at least killed their public voice), a group of people known as liberal and moderate Republicans. Many of them are as sick about Bush and the Neocons as we are.

[lumberjack_jeff]

46. Perhaps not, but they are intending to vote for McCain in the general. n/t

[NJmaverick]

70. Why?

McCain isn't a very attractive candidate. His war mongering position, makes him very unpopular.

[lumberjack_jeff]

71. "Why?" I've offered one explanation.

McCain isn't an attractive candidate - to us.

Polls indicate that he's ahead. Most people today consider him preferable. Pretending otherwise is not useful.

Nevertheless, a large number of McCain supporters are "helping" us choose our nominee. It's the closest they can come to a win-win scenario.

[NJmaverick]

20. How could a poltician be supported by the AMERICAN people?

After all we ALL know that Americans are a divided people, there is no common ground there is no way they can be united. For that to happen, it must be some sort of trick. Friend it's time you reintroduce yourself to something you long ago abandoned... HOPE!

[lumberjack_jeff]

28. I hope to win the lottery. I fantasize that Obama will be a progressive leader. n/t

Your hope is misplaced. It is naive.

[NJmaverick]

38. What facts support that assertion?

It's easy to say anything. bush/rove showed us how easy that is. The question is can you support what you are saying with facts and reasoned arguement?

[OhioBlue]

54. More likely your Goldwater Girl would be/has been

the trojan horse.

[lumberjack_jeff]

69. It is apparent that Republicans disagree. n/t

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

64. WARNING!

[sniffa]

77. I have become convinced that Obama is the anti-Christ told of

in the Left Behind series. That is why the RW is voting for him - they want to get raptured sooner, than later.

[NYCGirl]

86. Isn't that the book by Naomi Wolf, who just endorsed Obama? NT

[TwilightGardener]

11. There are Hillary supporters who are just BAFFLED that she wasn't

invincible or inevitable, that she has to fight someone for the nom. They can't wrap their brains around Democrats possibly nominating someone else--they've pictured her as President for YEARS, and as a coping mechanism, they've convinced themselves that it's a plot, a conspiracy, to deny her destiny with some young upstart who came out of nowhere. In short, they're a little nutty.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

21. CLINTON MADE SEVERAL STRATEGIC MISTAKES

They are:
-Knowing when and how to oppose the war without appearing 'soft' on defense.
-Knowing when and where to drag old Bill out for their benefit.
-South Carolina
-Diminishing the importance of change while appearing too inside the beltway for most Americans (who they now equate with Bush).
-Assuming they were the presumptive crowning of the party monarchy.

[susankh4]

12. Maybe it's Maytag?

Or Rezko?

Or Exelon?

[Yael]

56. Rezko controlls the world!

Ahahahahaha. :evilgrin:

[dysfunctional press]

14. "some unknown financial power source or some elite secret/mysterious group"- it's called the DLC.

nt

[fightthegoodfightnow]

58. Agree....... and Clinton is their Candidate

Make no mistake about it.

Go Barack.

[jody]

16. Corporatists fund candidates from both parties to have bipartisan support for bills that increase

their wealth.

Today, 1% of the population own over 50% of the financial wealth of this nation and control every major multinational corporation in the U.S.

Corporatists control our judicial system and under the guise of corporations, they steal, maim, and kill the working class with impunity.

IMO a President BO will not change the corporatist control one iota, money will seduce him and probably already has.

[casus belli]

17. Seized? That's already happened.

My biggest fault with our party is its comfortable relationship with corporate America and special interests. I think even a lot of well-meaning politicians have fallen victim to the influence of voices other than the people. That is one reason I support Obama. I truly believe that he has the desire to change that system, and I strongly believe he has the persuasive abilities to motivate people to initiate that change - which you can rest assured, corporate America will not relinquish willingly.

[monomach]

23. I AM FRIGHTEN.

I AM FRIGHTEN.

[NJmaverick]

29. If you are George Bush or Hillary Clinton

Have done their job. Me I believe that we have NOTHING TO FEAR BUT FEAR ITSELF.

[northzax]

42. really?

I mean, I am afraid I won't be able to make my rent payment and get evicted; I am afraid I will lose my job; I am afraid of getting sick because I can't afford decent health insurance; and many other things.

And I am afraid of politicians who vote to support wars they say are evil. But you go with fearing just fear. Have fun with that

[NJmaverick]

44. Politics of fear

Fear is a powerful emotion, that can over ride reason. It's why one should be wary of any politician who tries to exploit it. One has to ask themselves, what are they hiding

[fightthegoodfightnow]

45. Clinton and Bush CREATED the Fear You Live With

Consider that.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

37. CLINTON AND BUSH WANT YOU TO BE AFRAID

............. very afraid.

They've created a cottage industry out of the politics of fear.

[anigbrowl]

79. You are illiterate.

[havocmom]

25. All manner of excuses for too many to not see the fact that HRC is NOT beloved by all

Getting tired of the crap myself, and agree some of it is bought and paid for crap being slung around campus.

Nothing will get out the vote for the GOP as much as the name Clinton on the ballot. Mary Matalin knows it for a fact too. Thus her performance today, which is oddly heralded by some HRC supporters around here.

[OnionPatch]

31. That statement turned my head as well.

We are now to believe Obama represents some unknown force of elites hereto unknown among us? Of course we know 99% of all politicians are at least somewhat influenced by that already known force, the DLC and their masters the neocons but this force would be even more evil and scarier, right?

Yeah, and Hillary is being controlled by aliens from Andromeda. :eyes:

[Kittycat]

47. 2 Days until the big Foil Recession of GD:P

I cannot wait!

[sniffa]

74. I'm guessing that was from the Oprah Mafia Money DUer

Cuckoo!

[iilana X]

83. Well, they have a point. I know a young woman who quit smoking and donated her cigarette money to

the Obama campaign!

She calculated how much money she spent on cigarettes each month and gave it to Obama's campaign instead. That's really a powerful financial source allright (ah given the cost of cigarettes).

Okay beer drinkers.... (Just kidding!)

[NJmaverick]

85. That's a great story of inspirational leadership

Talk about bringing out the best in people.

[iilana X]

87. Yeah, inspiration is a powerful motive for change.

She's really believing in the WE in the "Yes We Can" slogan. More power to her.

[mirrera]

89. OOOO maybe Bill Oreily's right it's... Billionair SOROS!!! ARGHHHH RUN!!!

[krkaufman]

90. Chuckle. I thought you were quoting some statement from 1991...

... in regards to the Clinton-led DLC.

rec'd

[donheld]

92. Power to the people

Wonderful post!

[Political Heretic]

93. Nothing is more terrifying to an establishment party or its establishment followers

...than an "unknown" shake-up in the status quo.

It's funny to listen to the sheer terror here. People talking of cults and brainwashing or vast conspiracies. It is simply inconceivable to some that the public can ever be mobilized - and when they are it is the LAST thing they want.

This is not unlike the 1960s and Johnson's War on Poverty. It was all great to talk about the poor and do things "for" the poor. But the moment the poor started seriously getting involved and started to take power over their own affairs, suddenly it was a "crisis" for the Democratic Party.

The only thing establishment Democrats like less than Republicans is an energized involved public. As far as Obama goes, its probably true that he represents more of a "different" sort of establishment power rather than some radical progressive revolution - but I support him in part because I'm more than happy to see entrenched power-brokers get tossed to the curb. A little shakeup now and then is a good thing, and in my life time it is long over due. I'll take my chances with Howard Dean and Barack Obama working together.

[Laelth]

95. Too late to rec.

But I can kick.

Democracy in action. An energized, informed, and hopeful people are much harder to govern (i.e.control). Get used to it, establishment pols.

:dem:

-Laelth