On MTP today, I heard M.Matalin say Obama has been caught in so many LIES

[Tellurian]

to date, especially the (latest one) NAFTA/Canadian Embassy flap that he is hardly Trustworthy.. I thought for sure, she was going to compare him to the LIAR in Chief, who as we ALL know, LIED to get us into the IRAQ War.

IF we are being taken for a ride by a man who LIES with impunity to get himself elected to the Presidency. I surmise this is just a prelude to the BIGGER Lies he is keeping secret and will be revealed after he is elected.

After all, who of us knows anything about Obama except what he has written himself in his autobiography. The man who would be president has never been thoroughly vetted by the BIG (Republican owned) MEDIA. All they have done is push him on us like he is the second coming of the Messiah. When did BIG MEDIA become our friend? And why does Obama LIE? In Truth, what is he hiding?

[Wayjose]

1. Yeah, the same Matalin, Dick Cheney's lap dog

[Tellurian]

42. Cheney is Obama's cousin.. can you get closer than that?

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

49. brilliant, how close is an 8th cousin? closer than Barbara Bush's other son?

Barbara Bush Calls Bill Clinton 'Son'

June 17, 2005

Former President Bill Clinton discussed his relationship with President Bush's father last night on CBS LATE SHOW.

Clinton: "I think we're good friends. I like him very much. I've always liked him. When he was vice president, I was still a governor. We worked together on a number of things. He hosted the governors, in 1983...at Kennebunkport."

When they made an announcement about raising funds for Tsunami relief in Houston former First Lady Barbara Bush "announced us. And she said she has started to call me son. I told the Republicans there, I said don't worry, every family has one, you know, the black sheep. I told them, this just shows you the lengths the Bushes would go to get another president in the family. I wish I could get them to adopt Hillary."


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4625740&mesg_id=4625961

[ElsewheresDaughter]

59. ask Dr. James Watson....can you say DNA!

yup he can't help it....poor Obama has the lying gene

[Why Syzygy]

118. All in the family.

Start looking into Hillary's relationship with McCain. They traveled together...

[Tellurian]

149. No DNA Links there..

Just Here:

[Why Syzygy]

155. oops .. *crime* family .. nt.

[liberalnurse]

73. The similarities are amazing...now that you mention it.

Matlin has the goods. That was a GOP free-bee by the way. They are licking their chops waiting to go after Obama. It will be a huge festival for the GOP if he gets the nomination.

[Tellurian]

83. Exactly..

The GOP will chew Obama up and spit him out. Obama's credibility will be destroyed in 48 hrs. You're right, Liberal Nurse, if we nominate Obama we LOSE the presidency again for the Third time.

Matalin couldn't praise McCain enough today saying, he's as close to GWB as it gets..

[liberalnurse]

121. They will do it before our Democratic Convention...

which is August 25th.....so, Hillary will actually be guaranteed as the Nominee.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

84. right. She's not helping husband Carville who supports Clinton

as does Bush.

[OhioBlue]

86. I'll give it a shot

Bradley Whitford endorsed Obama
Bradley Whitford was in "West Wing" with Rob Lowe
Rob Lowe was in "About Last Night" with Demi Moore
Demi Moore was in "A Few Good Men" with... wait for it....
Kevin Bacon!!!!

[blm]

166. Poppy Bush and Bill Clinton are far closer than Cheney to his EIGHTH COUSIN Obama.

And Jackson Stephens (R-BCCI) GROOMED Bill Clinton to be his Dem watercarrier, protecting him from further scrutiny along with his main Republican watercarrier, GHWBush.

[anamandujano]

116. What you can get from Matalin at this point is a view of things to come.

She makes me totally nauseous. She will be getting plenty of air time during the general. It's futile to deny it.

Repukes must think it's in the bag for BO, and are taking their victory lap a little early.

edit to add--I think he's a liar also.

[avrdream]

133. And that is the way I approach this information.

It is a sign of the Republican strategy against BO. This is the start of the spin.

Why they are starting this early is interesting.

[anamandujano]

135. "Why they are starting this early is interesting." Agree, and we will find

out one of these days why.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

2. Matalin.

:wow:

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

51. Matalin married to Carville/Clinton advocate

Carville working for Clinton. Bush has endorsed Clinton.

[Ichingcarpenter]

63. Carville knows how to reach across the bed

to make points for his Candidate

[slick8790]

3. Wow! Let's totally take a right wing shill at her word that Obama has been "caught in lies"!

Come on. Are you for real?

[VolcanoJen]

4. ROFL... so Clintonites are now quoting Mary Matalin????

The woman who ran Poppy Bush's campaign in 1992? The woman who remains Dick Cheney's chief political advisor?

And you think it's a good idea to quote her in defense of Hillary Clinton?

:rofl:

[Wayjose]

7. LMAO!! Good one!!

[sendero]

30. Pretty telling isn't it..

... the (the pukes) are desperate to get a neocon-lite, and Obama isn't it.

[rodeodance]

62. don't forget the NYTimes and Chicago Press.

[Faygo Kid]

101. Talk about desperation. Mary Matalin????????????

Tuesday draws ever nearer. But not soon enough.

[nonconformist]

120. Uh, think about it for a minute.

If Obama is the nominee, THIS is what they're hitting him with. How do you intend on defending it?

You know, we're all SUPPOSED to be on the same side here, and the goal was SUPPOSED to be to get a Democrat in the White House.

Ahh, change, hope and unity.

[struggle4progress]

141. Well, Matalin DID get defense experience working hard for Scooter

pdf link: http://www.talkleft.com/LibbyTrial/matalinplea.pdf

[mmonk]

5. yes, good ol truthful Matalin

and Carville and the like.

[Nitrogenica]

6. Thanks for posting what I've heard 1,000 times over and over....

Good Grief.

[stellanoir]

8. Why pundits like her maintain any credibility when they are continually

calling stuff wrongly is unbelievable.

She was astutely singing the praises of Fred Thompson not so long ago.

Sheesh

[speedoo]

9. A Hillbot relying on Cheney's one and only Mary Matalin.

Why am I not surprised?

[ossman]

10. Clintons never lie. Depending on the meaning of never.

Cruella deville is scared shitless of Obama.

Hillary is one of them.

[dkf]

11. bwahaha. Is she your new bff?

[HooptieWagon]

12. Hah! I was right! Today IS feces-flinging Sunday at His44!

Can't wait for tommorrow's talking points... albeit pathetic, hill's astro-turfers desparation is entertaining.

[hfojvt]

13. Totally, and she would never have said the same thing about Gore

It's amazing how the M$M pushed those 1 million people into donating to Obama.

[Ichingcarpenter]

14. You are quoting the former Assistant to President Bush?

That was also a Global Climate Change denier?



:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

53. they should, since Bush endorsed their candidate n/t

[ElsewheresDaughter]

15. I saw it!

[WillyT]

16. Relying On Mary Matlin... Got Desperation ???

:wtf:

[Zachstar]

32. I think Desperation is a vast understatement for what Clinton Supporters are actiing like right now.

Batshit crazy is more like it.

[stop the bleeding]

17. M.Matalin !!!! - now that is a source that we can trust

let's just forget about Valerie Plame.

:argh::puke:

[From The Left]

18. Ya Think Mary Matalin Wants McCain to Oppose Obama?

Hell no. The GOP is praying the nominee is Hillary Clinton because she will lose in a General Election against McCain!

[LaurenG]

19. Are you kidding me, you would use Matlain's words against Obama?

From Wikipedia: Mary Joe Matalin (born August 19, 1953) is an American political strategist and consultant. She is known for her work with the Republican Party. She was an assistant to President George W. Bush and counselor to Vice President Dick Cheney until 2003.

If Hillary wins the nomination are you prepared to use Matalins words against Hillary, because there will be horrible, nasty things dumped on whoever becomes the democratic nominee.

I understand the need to question but there are plenty of Clinton supporters who are democrats who I would rather hear you quote.

[rodeodance]

69. try the nytimes. Chicago press-where she gets her stories from

[Scurrilous]

20. Good one!

:rofl:

[tularetom]

21. Jesus - now we're quoting MATALIN to make a point?

and she'd be telling the truth about Obama because?

[ellenfl]

22. she also gushed about how much she loved poppy bush.

:eyes:

ellen fl

[speedoo]

29. Yes, she did.

So I guess the OP wants us to love the current BFEE patriarch, believe Obama tells only lies and therefore we should support Hillary.

Freaking unbelievable.

[gabeana]

23. using Matalin as an authority

She was pushing that debunked Canadian NAFTA Obama secret support, Russert said Canada's denied the claim putting an end to that :rofl:

[Mz Pip]

24. Do search

and maybe you can find a quote where Jonah Goldberg accuses Obama of lying. I'm sure that, along with this post will convince hundreds to switch to Hillary.

[jlake]

25. Obama lies so easily it is scary - and the way his supporters excuse it and

try to explain what he meant is just down right sickening.
He won't survive the GE.

[neverforget]

43. the enemy of my enemy is my friend? Matalin, Obama, Matalin?

Something about lying down with dogs and getting fleas comes to mind......

[havocmom]

64. Got some 'for instance' facts or just pulling shit outta Matalin's ass?

Matalin, GOP strategist, bush and cheney aid, suspect in outing a very useful CIA NOC agent and destroying a network which actually DID fight terrorism by tracking movement/attempted movement of weapons materials, that's your source? Cuz SHE said so?

Man, back away from the neocon Kool Aid.

Make accusations, fine, but back them up or accept a righteous barrage of :rofl:

[rodeodance]

66. Obama folk are going to exhaust themselves soon-as it drips drips

[tabasco]

111. Then I'm sure you can provide many examples.

Here's an H. Clinton lie for starters:

"I did not have time to get that tax information together."

[jlake]

129. Praise for Ronald Reagan, Claiming to not know about McClurkin until after the fact,

Lying about relationship to Rezko, length of relationship, lying about lobbyists on the campaign, lying about public using public financing in the GE, lying about being a constitutional law professor, Michelle's pride comments, his excuses for missing Kyle-Lieberman, One of his positions on the IWR is a lie - either 2002 or 2004... .the list goes on.

[ellenfl]

154. are you sure you're a dem? those sure sound like

repug talking points.

ellen fl

[jlake]

160. Being against praising Ronald Reagan is a Repub talking point???

:crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

[ellenfl]

161. obama did not praise ronald reagan and

all those other slight-of-hand issues that you are bringing up are rw talking points . . . spin of what really transpired, like michele's comment. i understood exactly what she meant (and agreed with her) but the rw media spun it into the negative it is now.

everything you mentioned in your post sounds like repug talk. like the unemployed guy who was interviewed on 60 minutes last night who does not like that obama is a muslim. :wtf: see, some people, obviously including yourself, believe that sh*t . . . because they want to.

ellen fl

[sendero]

26. Matalin lies all the time..

...as well as spinning things so hard it is virtually a lie - so now I'm supposed to give a rat's ass about what she has to say?

You must be desparate to think ANYONE HERE gives two shits about ANYTHING MARY MATALIN has to say.

[sniffa]

27. ....

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

28. Quick, someone reanimate Joseph Goebbels and ask him what he thinks of Barack Obama. n/t

[TomClash]

31. Are you really a Bush Republican shill?

Because that's they way your posts often read.

You rely on Mary Matalin? You're no Democrat.

[mckeown1128]

33. Tell. you could do better than Matalin...

This is a new low point for you. What are you going to do after Hillary drops out this week? I mean, jeeze... you're already quoting republican strategists.

[WritingIsMyReligion]

34. Wow, so Mary Matalin matters now?

Jesus Christ. :rofl:

[cali]

35. bwahahaha! For entertainment purposes, you are priceless.

Mary Matalin as the truth teller about dems! :rofl:

[pdxmom]

36. Mary Matalin? Are you kidding me? The same Mary Matalin that supported

Coulter's attack on the 9/11 widows? The same Matalin who called the civil rights leaders attending Coretta Scott King's funerals "racists"? The same Matalin who calls global warming a "largely unscientific hoax"?

You're seriously using this woman as a reliable, believable source?

[DUyellow]

37. M.Matalin said it... so i guess we are going to lose in Nov. damn....

:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

[BlueManDude]

38. You're pitiful.

[kid a]

39. your FIRST problem is beleiving Mary Matalin

second is repeating a GOP talking point here.

shame on you!

[Renew Deal]

40. You're so desperate to attack Obama that you go to someone that worked for Bush?

Good job! :eye:

[Tellurian]

45. Stating facts such as I viewed on MTP and the fact Obama IS Cheney's avowed cousin

I can't really understand what your point is?

[Name removed]

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[Zachstar]

70. Hit the nail on the head!

This is getting beyond disgusting!! Is there no low too low for Clinton supporters?

[Hepburn]

79. You have to ask when these are the same people who support....

...her vote on the IWR, Banning Cluster Bombs and the Levin Amendment?

Nothing, IMO, is too low for their ilk.

JMHO

[tridim]

77. You might want to brush up on the "law of holes" nt

[cali]

117. Quick, genius, tell me who you're 5th cousin is?

Most fucking moronc attack ever. It takes profound stupidity to use that as an attack. And learn some English. Obama is not Cheney's "avowed" cousin.

God, I hate stupid.

[Forkboy]

136. He can't think that hard, and it's probably a troglodyte anyways.

[dionysus]

151. and you can't argue with stupid either, it's frustrating...

[stillcool]

158. No Wonder!!

I've always been curious as to where you get your 'facts' from:rofl: :rofl:

[bellasgrams]

41. I haven't' read his bio but I did read a review of it. In it he

evidently didn't reveal that most of his life he was an atheist, partially raised by an atheist, anti-American mother. His father was a muslim who practiced polygamy, was a brutal wife beating, drunk. Apparently neither BO nor his wife were especially fond of the US. Even though they appeared to live a charmed life making more money than most of us can ever expect to earn. But now Ms BO as apparently forgiven the American people since they started voting for her husband. How thoughtful of her.

[Orangepeel]

52. did Mary Matalin write the review?

:rofl:

[movonne]

55. You are a sick person...please stop all this name calling...

[Hepburn]

78. Here let me help.....

....you obviously have lost your way. You are looking for FREE REPUBLIC...not the DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND.

Oh, and I just love your picture:



Question: You still have those dork shorts?? Just wondering....

[dionysus]

152. and you just entered.. the troll zone....

your bitterness at suporting a loser candidate is showing...

[Maribelle]

44. So you know that if Matalin is pumping the 'Obama is a liar' at this early stage ...

you can guarantee her republican friends have enough on him to explode the vote in the General Election.

That old stealth tip "listen to your enemies" is something that is too scary for the widdle Obama supporters on this thread to face, judging by the plethora of childish comments from them.

[long_green]

145. Yeah, they got the goods on BO...

but Hillary is totally in the clear.
"widdle Obama supporters"
"childish comments from them"
sorry the campaign has turned out badly for your candidate. I hope you can get over this and do the right thing in November.

[Evergreen Emerald]

46. I notice that the minute anything negative is said about Obama on this site

The thread is peppered with attacks. And yet, not once has the substance of what you said been addressed, rather:

"yeah, well, Clinton lies too." "Don't believe the messenger." "The Canadian government lied."

Not once has the substance been addressed.

As if it is ok when obama lies. As if it does not matter that he says one thing and does another. What is the criteria they are using to choose a president?

[Renew Deal]

56. You're right

Please address this...

Re-Living History: Hillary's Retirement Rip-Off

Hillary Has Failed To Show Leadership On Retirement Security, And Bill's Administration Routinely Hit Seniors To Raise Government Revenue


"Hillary Clinton has avoided answering how she would save Social Security, instead asking that Americans trust her on retirement security by pointing to her husband's record. But that record is one of increased taxes on Social Security benefits and drastic cuts to Medicare. If higher taxes and fewer benefits for seniors are what Senator Clinton looks to as a model for retirement security, it becomes obvious why she doesn't want to answer questions about her own plans."

-Danny Diaz, RNC Spokesperson






Today, Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) Is Speaking About Retirement Security In Webster City, Iowa:


"On Tuesday, Clinton Travels To Webster City, Iowa, To Discuss Retirement Security At 11:00 AM ET ..." (Tahman Bradley and Jacqueline Klingebiel, ABC News' "The Note's Sneak Peek," 10/8/07)


Hillary Has Asked Voters To Look To Her Husband's Administration To See What Sort Of President She'd Be:


Yesterday, Hillary's Policy Speech Was Filled With References To Her Husband's Administration, Implying That Is How She Would Govern. "Former President Clinton was nowhere to be seen Monday. But the former first lady makes sure her husband is never far from people's minds ... As Sen. Clinton told the crowd in Marshalltown ... 'I know we can do better, because it wasn't so long ago that we did better.'" (M.E. Sprengelmeyer, "Clinton Keeps Focus On Hopes For Middle Class," Rocky Mountain News, 10/9/07)


But President Clinton Hit Seniors In His First Year In Office By Increasing Taxes On Social Security Benefits:


In 1993, President Clinton Increased The Portion Of Taxable Social Security Benefits To A Staggering 85%; Raising Taxes On Seniors Earning Barely More Than $34,000 Per Year. "

resident Bill Clinton's 1993 tax increase ... hiked taxes on Social Security benefits for seniors. ... Prior to 1993, seniors paid taxes on half their Social Security benefits if their combined income exceeded $25,000 for individuals or $32,000 for couples. But in 1993, the portion of taxable Social Security benefits increased to 85%, as individuals with incomes above $34,000 and couples with incomes above $44,000 became subject to the higher rate of taxation." (Americans For Tax Reform Website, www.atr.org, Accessed 9/19/07)


"Critics Say That Tax Levels At 85% Are Not Only Immoral, But Provide A Strong Disincentive For Seniors To Save Or Continue Working." (Americans For Tax Reform Website, www.atr.org, Accessed 9/19/07)
Sen. Hillary Clinton Has Voted At Least Twice Against Repealing Her Husband's 1993 Tax Increase On Social Security Benefits. (S. Con. Res. 18, CQ Vote #74: Adopted 55-45: R 50-5; D 5-39; I 0-1, 3/17/05, Clinton Voted Nay; S. Con. Res. 23, CQ Vote #94: Rejected 48-51: R 48-3; D 0-47; I 0-1, 3/25/03, Clinton Voted Nay)


President Clinton Also Cut Medicare By $56 Billion, And HillaryCare Attempted To Cut Another $124 Billion:


Clinton's Economic Plan Also Hit Seniors With $56 Billion In Medicare Cuts And HillaryCare Proposed An Additional $124 Billion In Cuts. "Moreover, seniors, who were hit by $56 billion in Medicare cuts in Mr. Clinton's recently enacted economic plan, are already riled by his proposal to finance health reform with another $124 billion in Medicare trims. 'Many seniors feel like they were double-crossed (then). They know you don't put your hand on the stove twice to know it's hot,' said ." (Karen Riley, "Health Plan's Fate Hinges On Who Benefits," The Washington Times, 9/20/93)


NOTE: The AARP Opposed Clinton's Higher Taxes On Social Security Benefits And Medicare Cutbacks. "White House officials say that opposition from the following groups poses the most danger : ... Senior citizens. Although the powerful American Association of Retired Persons has not yet announced a big grass-roots campaign, it opposes Clinton's Medicare cutbacks and his plan to tax up to 85 percent of Social Security benefits for individuals with total incomes of more than $25,000 a year and couples with incomes of more than $32,000." (Kenneth T. Walsh, Gloria Bo rger, and Matthew Cooper, "Public Fever For New Budget Cuts," U.S. News & World Report, 3/1/93)


Hillary Hasn't Led On Retirement Security; Most Recently She Was Evasive On Ensuring Social Security's Solvency:


When Asked At The Last Debate About Her Plan For Fixing Social Security, Hillary Repeatedly Avoided The Question And Refused To Offer Any Specifics. Tim Russert: "But you would not take lifting the cap at $97,500 off the table?" Hillary: "Well, I'd take everything off the table until we move toward fiscal responsibility and before we have a bipartisan process. I don't think I should be negotiating about what I would do as president. You know, I want to see what other people come to the table with." ... Russert: "So, Senator, a simple question, a simple question: What do you put on the table ?" ... Hillary: "I'm not putting anything on the proverbial table until we move toward fiscal responsibility." (Sen. Hillary Clinton, MSNBC Democrat Presidential C andidate Debate, Hanover, NH, 9/26/07)


NBC's Chuck Todd: "n Social Security ... Hillary Wouldn't Answer The Question Because She's Absolutely Only Thinking About The General , About Taxes." (MSNBC's "Hardball," 9/26/07)


RE-LIVING HISTORY: MSNBC's Chris Matthews: "Bill Clinton never took a position on reform of any entitlement program. ... t's a very cynical move because you're saying to the public I am not telling you anything I intend to do." (MSNBC's "Hardball," 9/26/07)


Other Democrat Presidential Candidates Have Criticized Hillary's Unwillingness To Provide Specifics:


Edwards Attacked Hillary's Social Security Plan, Calling It "Politician Double-Talk." Edwards: "he American people deserve to hear the truth. They have heard so much politician double-talk on this issue." (Former Sen. John Edwards, MSNBC Democrat Presidential Candidate Debate, Hanover, NH, 9/26/07)


Sen. Chris Dodd (D-CT) Was "Stunned" At Hillary's Unwillingness To Tackle The Social Security Issue. Sen. Dodd: "So, I'm rather stunned that we had, sort of, this vague, unwillingness to be clear about what you would specifically do on a major fiscal issue in the country." (MSNBC's "Hardball," 9/26/07)

http://www.rnc.org/News/NewsRead.aspx?Guid=6909e15d-d2ce-4c53-91a8-783528ab1403

[Evergreen Emerald]

61. she has been very clear on Social Security. It is a false emergency

The neo-cons wanted to use it to privatize social security and therefore created this emergency where there is none.

Once the economy is adjusted and back on an even keel, then Social Security will be addressed. She has been consistent.

[movonne]

57. Who started the attacting? read the original message..

[Orangepeel]

58. C'mon! The sourcce is Mary Matalin for crying out loud!

why would any Democrat take the OP seriously?

[VolcanoJen]

71. The messenger matters.

If you want to quote Mary Matalin as credible on Democratic issues, I encourage you to go right ahead.

But don't be surprised when passionate Democrats who support Obama balk at your "messenger."

[Evergreen Emerald]

76. really? Did it matter to you when it was Drudge suggesting that Clinton

posted Obama's picture? Or were you on the bandwagon to condem with NO PROOF but Drudge's word?

[VolcanoJen]

80. Considering that it's factual that Clinton's team has courted Matt Drudge...

... then I think it's reasonable to state that Drudge is rooting for Clinton.

I imagine we'll find out who from the Clinton camp sent that email to Drudge about as quickly as we see her tax returns.

[rodeodance]

97. I think it came from the Obamacamp. He has already proven to have racialized this primary

[Evergreen Emerald]

119. So, your answer is that anything anyone says about Clinton is true

even if the source is the drunk in the Alley. But, anything Obama says and does is OK. Don't believe one word. Even if it comes from the head of the Canadian government.

That is the double standard on DU

[Forkboy]

139. So, you didn't like Drudge but like this?

You're being as inconsistent and hypocritical as those you're upset with. You DO see that, don't you?

[still_one]

48. The NAFTA/Canadian embassy has already been debunked and you continue to repeat it

You are talking about a person who believes dick cheney is honorable and trustworthy. She herself has been one of the biggest pimps for the bush administration, and I am to believe anything that comes out of her mouth?

[jenmito]

50. I couldn't even understand her. She has so much Botox in her face her lips can hardly move. n/t

[proud2BlibKansan]

54. Am I reading this right?

You are taking something a right wing fool said and using that as a starting point to call Obama a liar?

That's just about the nuttiest thing I have seen on DU in a long time.

Unless of course you don't know who Mary Matelin is. :crazy:

[rodeodance]

60. The point is that things are dripping out. Obamafolk are going to get tired of smacking

Down the messenger on each and every pundit that takes a shoot at him.

[VolcanoJen]

75. She's Mary f'n Matalin!!!!

You cannot be serious.

[rodeodance]

87. SWEETIE YOU missed my point--she is just one of thousands saying this.

Your group will have to learn how to constructively deal with this.

[VolcanoJen]

93. I will deal with this constructively by explaining to you...

... that if you think Mary F'n Matalin is on your side, you're missing a screw.

:-)

May the best person win on Tuesday... I'm off to canvass my 'hood here in Ohio!

[rodeodance]

100. I am a Democrat. You make a false ASSumption to say she is on my side. Shame on you.

[Forkboy]

125. Then quit taking her side.

If you don't want to be associated with people like her don't act like her. Pretty fucking basic. Even you can get it if you actually use that lump on your shoulders for something other than a hat rest.

[havocmom]

85. Messenger? What's the message? I see only accusations

but nothing backing them up. That's hardly a message. It is desperation.

Matalin??? She still married to that former Clinton strategist? She still working for the GOP/neocons/PNACers? She still trying to keep her ass outta court re Plame outing and subsequent destruction of a valuable CIA network for tracking weapons materials? That Matalin? Messenger? :rofl:


When Matalin is used as an authority or source, I have to insist that America needs to make a much larger effort on mental health issues.

Seriously

[Mooney]

65. You're not seriously quoting Mary Matalin, are you?

I mean, shit... why don't you find out what David Duke thinks about this while you're at it?

[VolcanoJen]

67. My favorite part of MTP: Matalin claiming the MEDIA is responsible...

... for the "myth" that our economy is somehow in "trouble."

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Watching her husband, James Carville, passionately and eloquently state that "people are hurting out there" while Mary scrunched up her face and rolled her eyes made me wonder what that ride home to their Georgetown mansion was like. }(

But if Clintonistas still want to embrace Mary Matalin's new-found love for Hillary, well, I encourage you to go right on ahead! :-)

[mahina]

68. I do. He grew up in my neighborhood, my son's high school dean was his dean,

his classmates still live here and are working their hearts out for him.
He is a wonderful person, will be a truly great president, and your sad, cynical mantra is old and tired. When you look to Mary Matalin for guidance in Democratic ideas, you should hang up your bathrobe and go outside and take a long hike. Seriously.

[rodeodance]

74. Chicago press has had lots of stories about Obama and Rezco.

[mahina]

91. Handy Guide to how the Clinton Machine is lying about the Rezko "Connection"

(rodeo, are you getting paid to do this? I used to respect you.)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4844210

Here are the specifics on the home bought by Barack and Michelle Obama that shows that there was absolutely no wrongdoing on their part. The sellers of the property are on record saying so:

The Obamas submitted three bids: $1.3 million on Jan. 15, 2005; $1.5 million on Jan. 21; and $1.65 million on Jan. 23, according to a copy of the sale contract shown to Bloomberg News. Obama received more than $1.2 million in book royalties and a book advance in 2005, the year he was sworn in to the U.S. Senate, his financial disclosure statement shows.

The e-mail between Wondisford and the campaign adviser also says that the sellers had ``stipulated that the closing dates for the two properties were to be the same.'' In January 2006, Rita Rezko sold the Obamas one-sixth of the lot, for $104,500, to expand their yard. She later sold the rest of the land to Michael Sreenan, who said by e-mail yesterday that he bought it in late December 2006 for $575,000.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=aR8...


The Clinton Lie Machine continues to try to lie about Obama. The Rezko connection is one of the more recent "stories" that have in fact been fully vetted by the Chicago media. This is the last thing the Clintons and those parroting this vetted story want you to know.

We've been hearing for weeks from the national punditry that Barack Obama hasn't been fully vetted by the media. I think that's mostly wrong, and I angrily told that to a national reporter who called me last week.

(snip)

At the Tribune's request, Cook County Circuit Court Chief Judge Timothy Evans produced a list of all 260 civil and criminal cases in which the firm filed appearances, and the Tribune separately examined 1990s lawsuits that Rezmar Corp. listed in applications for government grants. The paper also examined files from the Illinois Housing Development Authority and the city housing department, as well as the hundreds of clients Obama listed in the unusually frank ethics disclosure reports he filed as a state senator from December 1995 through April 2004.

(snip)

A Tribune review of land and court documents and law firm files as well as correspondence and other records related to Obama's eight years as an Illinois state lawmaker supports his contention that he did not directly represent Rezko's development firm. Instead, the records show, he represented non-profit community groups that partnered with Rezko's firm.
This was actually to be expected. The clintons' tactics have always been attack their opponents and question their motives. Attack is almost their first instinct whenever challenged. one doesn't get the sense that they actually think about the ramifications of what they are using. but that's another point.

(snip)

Obama has been accused of no wrongdoing involving Rezko and has insisted that he never used his office to benefit Rezko.

Thus far, there is little in the public record to suggest otherwise, and the few exceptions that have come to light appear minor. On Capitol Hill, Obama once gave a summer internship to the son of a Rezko business associate on Rezko's recommendation. Earlier, as a state senator, Obama was one of several South Side political and community leaders who wrote state and city officials urging approval of public funding for a senior housing project involving Rezko.

But when Rezko pushed for passage in Springfield of a major gambling measure, Obama vocally opposed it.

(snip)

It's easy to forget today, but in the years before 2005, Rezko enjoyed a reputation in Illinois as an up-and-coming, even enlightened entrepreneur with a strong interest in the risky low-income and affordable housing markets that relied on tax credits and other government assistance. He also was a reliable source of campaign cash for an array of politicians from both parties.

The fact that Rezko was also a minority in a city where minorities have rarely gained power without coalescing in a broad coalition (commonly called the blacks, browns and white liberals) explains some of obama's connection to him. But the identification of young political talent has long been a favorite of chicago's big players, and rezko was clearly eager to be one of those.

(snip)

After earning his degree, Obama returned to Chicago, ran a voter registration drive, began work on an autobiography and in 1993 went to work in a small but influential law firm now known as Miner, Barnhill & Galland.

The firm had long served non-profits engaged in affordable housing, and several initiatives involved Rezko's Rezmar Corp., according to a mid-1990s document from the firm that Obama attached to his state ethics reports.

In addition, one of the law firm's founding partners, Allison Davis, developed personal financial ties to Rezko. Davis later left the firm to become a for-profit developer, sometimes in deals with Rezko.

Affordable housing is a huge issue in the chicagoland area, especially as the chicago housing authority was proceeding with its plans to tear down huge public housing complexes. mayor daley choose to allow private developers to replace the public housing stock, using vouchers instead of administering huge housing complexes. In effect, Daley was trying to rid chicago of the homeless and the poor, to distribute them throughout the region, or encourage them to move south.

Obama was one of the many black elected officials who actively worked to replenish affordable housing stock. Rezmar was one of the players involved (and perhaps the main player in Obama's state senate district).

(snip)

Law firm partner Judson Miner said that, over several years, Obama did a total of five to seven hours of billable work on Rezmar-linked projects. He mainly filed incorporation papers for the non-profit groups under the supervision of more senior attorneys, Miner said.


But for the national types to claim that Obama's past is mostly unknown is just a total crock. All they have to do is comb through the Tribune and CS-T's archives, or try the Google. A lot of very hard work has already been done, and is still being done today. Too many reporters based in DC, or NY, or LA think that all there is to know is in their own publications.

The problem with trumpeting the Rezko story is that it is small potatoes in the scheme of a presidential election. Sure, hillary hates slumlords, but what has she done about affordable housing? She likes to tout her experience and claims she's changed the world, but then attacks Barack for his work in this area and his willingness to join other Democrats to take away wedge issues from Republicans.

None of this is to excuse the crimes that Rezko has committed. He has used his position for ill, and elicited bribes, from what I can tell. But no one has found (yet) anything that connects Obama to illegal, unethical or immoral behavior.

Links:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-obam...
http://dpandrews.mydd.com/story/2008/1/23/101437/409

[ElsewheresDaughter]

94. hare's a handy guide for you...The Chicago Sun Times....

which is NOT the "Clinton Machine"

http://www.suntimes.com/news/watchdogs/817377,CST-NWS-watchdog28.article#

[rodeodance]

95. MY point is--whethere true or not--milllions of pundits will decend-we see

them now.
I am not inclined to believe the rumors floating about regarding rezco.
Just saying---if gets the nomination------expect more and more and more.
best

[Hepburn]

72. So....you Hillbots are now working with Mary Matalin to secure Hill ary the nom???

Ummmmmm...yeah....that's a sure way to win over Dems to vote Hillary!

:rofl:

What the fuck Kool Aid has the Hillary camp fed you bots this time?

[casus belli]

81. Yes, because Hillary supporters have given him such an easy ride.

:sarcasm:

I hate to break this to you, but the big bad Republican machine isn't going to find any bones in his closet. Or do you think the Hillary campaign is so inept that they would have missed a smoking gun that could help them win a primary or two?

[yellowcanine]

82. MARY MATALIN??? How can a Hillary Clinton supporter quote her with a straight face. Do you not

remember the things she said about Bill Clinton in the 1992 election?

[MadHound]

88. Because Hillary supporters, much like their candidate, are desperate at this point

They're going to throw everything they can find in a desperate bid to see if anything sticks. Yet in their very desperation they are showing for all the world to see how little they have in the way of morals and ethics, much like their candidate.

Tuesday is not far away, and hopefully, if their candidate has any sense, we won't have to put up with this bullshit anymore.

[Tellurian]

89. I remember what she just said about Obama..

she gave us a subliminal indication of what the Neocons are ready to use against Obama to destroy his credibility for the Presidency! Obama has been caught in so many LIES, who knows what the Neocons have in their quiver to destroy Obama if he's the DEM Nominee.

I hate losing a Third Time.. and afaic, losing is not an Option and good enough reason for Voting for Hillary in the Primary!

[yellowcanine]

132. Her "sayings" did not hurt Bill Clinton in 1992. Why should we care what she says now?

Eh?

[Tellurian]

148. Simple- Obama is not Bill Clinton..He needs to able to cheat to Win..

but if the Rezko Trial starts implicating Obama in any way, his supporters will desert him like rats deserting a sinking ship! That is why he doesn't need to be the nominee this time around.

[Forkboy]

150. The words "cheat" and "Bill" fit together nicely. Ask his wife.

[rodeodance]

90. many of you folks are still parroting her on Bill C.

[yellowcanine]

130. Is "you folks" the same as "you people"? Anyway, 2 wrongs, etc.

Besides, I saw no such quotes by DUers. Care to at least provide a link to back up your assertion?

[Forkboy]

140. Well, if you like her on this then that shouldn't have bothered you. right?

[grantcart]

92. Oh really and what does Rush Limbaugh have to say?

[rufus dog]

96. too damn funny

Using your logic I have come up with the following:

Since your post is so LAME I assume you are voting for McLAME!


You are killing me.

[Johnny__Motown]

98. M.Matalin just lied to you, The Canadian thing was all a lie.. Think for yourself please

Stop drinking the Kool-aid just because a woman pours it for you.

Look into anything you think was a lie by Obama, you will find out it wasn't


good luck to you

[blogslut]

99. I dunno

I'm still trying to figure out why that Hillary44 graphic looks like a diaphragm.

Mary Matalin? Are you kidding?

[NoodleyAppendage]

102. Typical. A HillBot citing Mary Matalin as the reason not to support Obama. So friggin' desperate.

I'm so sick of the "lookie over there at the Repuke spin machine" excuse provided endlessly on DU by the HillBots who know their candidate is dead in the water.

Citing Repukes as a means to cajole support for Hillary is SO DESPERATE.

Give it up...move on.

J

[HooptieWagon]

104. I dunno, I think it's quite entertaining

As Hillary digs herself into a hole, her astro-turfers are beside her, shoulder to shoulder, shovels in hand... c'mon, isn't this priceless?

[milkyway]

103. Ha ha ha! Mary Matalin's gets paid to go on television and trash Dems. And you're fucking falling

for it? Do you have any idea why Mary Matalin and the rest of the repugs might be saying nasty things about Obama nowadays? Do you think it's because they're searching for truth and justice? The crap Clinton supporters come up with is getting lamer by the day.

[smoogatz]

105. Alerting.

"Highly inflammatory or divisive attacks that echo the tone or substance of our political opponents are not welcome here." It doesn't get much more clear than that.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html

[speedoo]

114. Thank you.

Good alert. However I am glad the thread was not locked earlier, so that we could respond to the ridiculous OP.

[yardwork]

106. I don't believe a word that Mary Matalin says and I think she's disgusting.

Next.

[Nine]

107. I'm a Clinton supporter, but I don't think Matalin is trustworthy.

However, I wonder how many of these posters who are justifiably doubting Matalin as a source are the same ones who believed Drudge when he said the Obama Somalian garb picture came from the Clinton campaign? It seems that the Republican-owned media are trustworthy only when they say good things about the candidate we want to win and bad things about the opponent.

I would never quote Matalin as a reliable source and I really don't care if Obama and Cheney are distantly related. There are silly posts coming from both sides, but it makes things 1000 times worse when people take one silly post and use it to broadly characterize a candidate and his/her supporters as pathetic, desperate, liars, Repubs in Dem clothing, etc. There are silly posts on both sides and there are also thought-provoking and useful posts on both sides.

[AZBlue]

108. Shocking! Mary Matalin smearing a Democrat!!?!?!?

What's this world coming to?

[Why Syzygy]

113. Damn Democrats! Can't pick a candidate they like??? :sob:

What will we EVER DO!

[zulchzulu]

109. Only a wild-eyed Hillbot would seek refuge in the Rovian screed of Mary Matalin

:rofl:

[Tektonik]

110. I'm amazed Tellurian is still alowed to post here

I've never gone to a thread of his and was not severely disappointed in his academic honesty. Fucking troll.

[smoogatz]

115. This does seem like the kind of thing that should get you tombstoned.

What's next—anti-Obama quotes from Cheney himself? How about Karl Rove?

[anamandujano]

It's a lie to report what what was said on a Sunday political show?

You BO followers have lost it.

[Tektonik]

124. LOL I am no Barack Obama supporter

I do not drink the Koolaid. :P

I'd rather see Hillary win, but this thread screams desperation. Not to mention Tellurian invoking the cousinhood of Obama and Cheney; are you fucking kidding me?

[Hepburn]

126. To publish a falsehood from a known liar, IMO...

...is a lie. Or do you Hillbots now call that truth?

[anamandujano]

134. She gets to talk a lot on TV. Perhaps you'd be happier to not hear

anything about what the opposition has in store for you.

And yeah, MSM sucks. They've been trashing Hillary for months and months, to be fair, her whole public existence.

I'd love it if a giant sink whole opened under the punditos and swallowed them forever. And you can hook me up to a lie detector at any time.

It's time to face facts, if you can handle the truth (truth of the MSM.)

But even a broken clock like Matalin is right twice a day and this time she got it right. Brace yourselves for more of same.

[Why Syzygy]

112. Our candidate is supposed to be pleasing to BIG MEDIA.

Gotcha chief.

[Mezzo]

122. but if he has signaled that he'll work with the fascists, they might leave him alone

and calling him a liar over and over is just silly. She's a fucking freak.

[OnionPatch]

123. And if Mary Matalin says it, it must be true!!

:sarcasm:

[Forkboy]

127. Just admit you're a Repub and be done with it.

I mean, you have their schtick down pat, and you're easily dumb enough, and cowardly enough, to make a great one. You missed your calling as a slug, so maybe you should take the next best thing.

I'm just trying to help.

[sniffa]

131. Seriously though

HOW is she still here. :shrug:

[Vinca]

128. The OP thinks Mary Matalin knows a lie from truth.

That's hysterical.

[anamandujano]

137. The OP knows Matalin gets to talk a lot on TV during elections.

[Forkboy]

143. So does Sean hannity, so you won't mind if we post his thoughts on Clinton, right?

I mean, it'd only be for her own good and all. I post because I care.

[ProSense]

138. Matalin? Dick "The Liar" Cheney's former counselor? The Matalin who pleaded for Libby's pardon?

That Matalin?

Are you serious?

[travelingtypist]

142. Matalin -- "That's why we call them the Democrat Party

because there's nothing democratic about their process."

Burn in hell, Ms. M. There's aint nuthin' divine about you.

[HooptieWagon]

144. Thank you Mods, for your patience with this thread

It is quite amusing, and certainly exposes the astro-turfers as the ovine shill-bots they are.

[NewHampster]

146. great post Tell

Go Hillary

[dionysus]

156. *hint* you make yourself look dumb for supporting this OP....

[HooptieWagon]

159. Shhh, we're enjoying the show

:popcorn:

[OzarkDem]

147. Lying w/ impunity

We've had enough of that for the last 7 years.

Seriously, Hillary Clinton has been dogged about so many things that turned out to be false accusations, as will any Dem who becomes president.

I prefer someone who has been through that hell and has experience standing up to the faux scandals instead of a Dem president who has been caught in so many obvious lies.

[dionysus]

157. you're believeing mary fucking matalin you fool!!!

[Starbucks Anarchist]

153. Are you going to quote Karl Rove next?

[Avalux]

162. You would believe what Matalin says? Are you a Democrat?

:rofl:

[MethuenProgressive]

163. Fairy Tales aren't exactly "lies". They're more Pretending than Lying.

He's good. He's Republican-like, he's so good.

[invictus]

164. Republican Mary Matlin is married to James Carville who works for Clinton.

Don't believe the Clinton/DINO/Republican lies.

[mattclearing]

165. So you take your talking points from Mary Matalin now? n/t

[workinclasszero]

167. So what does Rush Limpballs say about Obama??

I guess that would be your next source of "truth" about him, eh?:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[mtnsnake]

168. It's pathetic to think that this guy has to lie in order to steal the nomination

Thanks for posting this, Tellurian.

K&R!