I understand preferring Clinton. But to those of you who HATE Obama...

[Blu Dahlia]

can you explain why you HATE Obama and will do everything in your power to make sure he loses if he is the nominee?

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[frogcycle]

2. oh give me a f**cking break

if this is not flamebait i don't know what is

[LSK]

3. see post 1

[Blu Dahlia]

4. I'm trying to get down to why I see so many rabid, foaming at the mouth

type posts regarding Obama. What did Obama do to inspire so much hate or is it race thing?

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[Kikosexy2]

37. What did Clinton...

do to inflame so much hate...is it because she stands up to the GOP?...

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

6. How is it flamebait?

Explain.

[Maribelle]

7. the op is self-explanatory

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

8. No, it's not.

Sorry.

[Maribelle]

10. inflammatory rhetoric was invited

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

11. Actually, no.

Just because some people showed up offering it, it doesn't make it a "trap" as you put it.

:rofl:

[Maribelle]

13. Your laughing over hate does not impress me.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

15. Actually, I'm laughing over stupidity.

:hi:

[Maribelle]

18. worse, and truly sad

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

21. Laughing at stupidity is worse and sad?

:rofl:

[Maribelle]

23. No your explanation was worse, and truly sad. Take reading lessons, hero.

[Maribelle]

20. worse, and truly sad

[Double T]

5. Incompetent Fraud and graduate of the Earnest Angeley School of BS.

[bunnies]

9. bookmarked.

For next time someone claims Obama supporters are the hateful ones.

[ClassWarrior]

30. .

[NastyRiffraff]

12. I don't hate Obama

I'm wary of him, for lots of reasons. Unfortunately, no criticism of Obama in any form is tolerated by many Obama supporters. It's disingenuous at best to imply that only Hillary supporters have "hate." Sure, there's a few who do. But the vitrol and hatred from some Obama supporters more than matches them.

[saracat]

14. Because he ran on the issue of Afghanistan then failed to hold one meeting of the committee on Europ...

dealing with Afghan matters. Because he has made racist comments in his book. Because he is not what he appears to be. Because he is dismissive of Baby Boomers. Because he is patronizing to women.Because he is patronizing and insulting to John Edwards. because he is against universal health care. because he made deals with healthcare lobbyists in Illinois and caved on health care. Because he lied about his Resko contributions to ABC. Because he took lobbyist money until this campaign and makes it appear as though he doesn't /didn't do so. Because He wants to "negotiate " with corporations and guarantees them a seat at the table" instead of fight them.Because he wants to reach "across the aisle" when Pelosi and Reid have proved this does NOT work. I could go on and on. I do not like or trust this man. You asked. And that is the short list.

And I don't "hate" him, but I don't support him.

[anonymous171]

16. To quote HRC

"Lobbyists are Americans too"

[saracat]

19. But she admits her support of them.She isn't phonying it. She was not my first choice either.

Oddly, Barack used to be my second choice and I used to be furious with Hillary, until I researched Barck!

[Tennessee Gal]

41. Obama was my second choice after Edwards until I started doing a little research.

Now it is Hillary for me.

I don't know what I will do if Obama gets the nomination.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

17. LOL

[saracat]

24. Typical substantive rebuttal.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

25. Well if you want me to get more substantial.

"My reason for hating Obama is because of whatever baseless, desperate allegation Hillary Clinton happens to be leveling at Obama today."

If you think that lacks substance, OK. I agree.

[saracat]

29. Again. Typical substance lacking rebuttal. Those are not charges

I saw made by Hillary.They are information I personally saw or gathered. I read his book. I heard what he said and I read about the committte and I read the NYTimes on his lies to ABC as well as heard him lie. But whatever.Hillary was NOT my candidate Edwards was., so stuff it.Like I said, Obama had once been my second choice.

[saracat]

33. And I didn't even include his cozying up to Donnie McCurkin

and dissing the gay community and refusing to take a picture with Gavin Newsome because he supports gay marriage. All those must be things HRC made up Right.:sarcasm:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

34. No, just hypocritical.

:rofl:

[saracat]

38. Not really. Where was the HRC Campaign tour with the homphobe

giving a homophobic speech before her intro? Sorry , Ya can't match that one from Clinton. She might have had some homophobic support but nothing like that.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

43. Tour with him? Hell, she married him.

[saracat]

44. Wow. Just wow. Bill Clinton was NEVER a homophbe. Ever. Thanks for

attacking a good two term Democratic president. I'll bet you think we should sign a loyalty oath to Obama as well. Talk about hypocritical.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

45. Please.

He's the guy who signed DOMA and Don't Ask Don't Tell.

He's done far more damage to gay rights the McClurkin could ever hope to.

[saracat]

47. Blow it our your posterior.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

48. See it's stuff like this...

is the reason why some people don't really care about the homosexual community and just exploit them to support their favorite candidate.

[saracat]

50. Yeah that is exactly why Hillary has so much more gay support than Obama.

Obama appears to now have to be 'courting" the gay vote that he doesn't have. Good luck with that. Gavin Newsome is quoted as saying that Obama wouldn't even take a picture with him because he wants to "distance" himself from the "gay marrigage". issue.this after Newsome gave a fundraiser for him! Obama will throw the gay community under the bus so fast it will make your head spin. He explains most of these actions as "politcal pragmatism" such as " reaching out" to those ofthe black religious community who are homophobes. he says he doesn't "have to agree with them but he needs their votes." Watch 3hat happens when he "reaches out" to those GOP he likes so much.

[LSK]

32. .

- Per Keith Olbermann his committee is not the one that pertains to NATO Afghan matters. Also he did not base his campaign on Afghanistan

- What page are his racist comments on? I will look it up when I get home from work. I purchased his book but have not started it yet.

- Yes he did mock Edwards one answer in the debate. Will give you that one.

- He is not against universal healthcare and his plan is like Edwards plan or Hillary's plan are STEPS to universal healthcare but none of them are actually universal healthcare.

- Can you provide me with some links about his lobbyist money and deals in Illinois?

- He wants to negotiate with Corporations yes, the other alternative we have remaining would just rather be bought and paid for by them.

[Tennessee Gal]

40. A brilliant post, sara. I agree on all points.

[saracat]

42. Thank you.They wanted reasons.I gave them some. But it isn't "hate".

I just don't support him.

[Tennessee Gal]

46. I agree 100%. At this point I cannot support him.

[kentuck]

22. Not to defend the OP but...

Some people do seem to hate Obama. And some seem to hate Hillary? It's hard to tell which side hates the most?

[griffi94]

27. he's attrachted the

rw bushbots to the party. the same people who voted for bush are now whopping it up for obama.
he's lied through omission and misdirection on some issues, just like bush, he has no national record to speak off where you can check his rhetoric against his real positions, and finally because his supporters and the media have displayed the worst hate mongering scheme since bush ran against gore.
i don't hate him. i just want him to go away. he's too much like bush for me.

[mmonk]

28. I doubt the ones that hold hatred can explain

it adequately but they will give you excuses or something vague or attribute awful things to him. At least, that's my observation. I do not prefer Hillary Clinton over Barack Obama for President. I prefer him over her (particularly from a foreign policy perspective approach and his being a Constitutional scholar). That's my sum total approach to the process. I wish it were the approach of others here. I do not hate her.

[saracat]

39. Hillary also taught constitutional law ant the Univ. Of Arkansas. Big whoop.

Bill Clinton taught Constituational law too.

[mmonk]

53. Good for them.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

31. Most hilarious thread ever

OP asks a question, dozens of responses that don't address the question at all, yet somehow prove it's point perfectly.

[anonymous171]

35. You should've seen the first response.

It was classic.

[Lyric]

36. I don't hate him, because hate is a destructive thing.

But if he wins the primary, I'll be voting for him with a VERY heavy heart. I've been trying to forgive him for the Donnie McClurkin thing, but it's so damned hard when all I ever hear from his supporters is that I'm a moron for even being upset about such a "non-issue".

It's hard to forgive someone for something when everyone on his side refuses to admit that he did anything to need forgiveness for--including Obama himself. The end result is that the very Real hurt that people like me have suffered over this incident is trivialized and dismissed as "unimportant", or even "sour grapes from losers". That marginalization is something I expect from Rethugs, but I never thought I'd see it from Democrats. I'd probably be on the Obama side by now, along with a lot of other angry and hurt GLBT people, if we had been given understanding and support from the rest of the liberal community, instead of the "Suck it up and stop whining about a non-issue" BS that we got instead.

I even had someone call me a racist. I've never been called a racist in my entire life. I'm still reeling from that one.

[Chovexani]

52. Seconded.

I was and am a Kucinich supporter. When he dropped out, I became neutral. I am 100% with you on the McClurkin outrage--and yes, it is outrage, I am black and queer and will be damned if I vote for a candidate who gives platforms to a man who advocates torture of people like me in the name of "reaching out" (aka getting votes).

I still didn't support Clinton, I've had a lot of issues with her (namely the IWR vote), but in the end I am finally standing with her (and this is the first day I have come to this) because of the abject batshit insanity of the Obama supporters I have talked to both on and offline. When I bring up reasonable issues I have with Clinton, the Clinton supporters I talk to help to clarify her positions on things. When I bring up reasonable issues I have with Obama, I get dismissed as a Clinton shill/Republican/DINO. I have had friends of the family--people I love and respect and have known for years--forward me disgusting right wing emails about Vince Foster and call me an Uncle Tom, Condi, etc. for refusing to support Obama. I have been called Oreo and self-hating.

As a lesbian-identified bisexual I have been told by various Obama supporters that I need to get over myself and that I have "false outrage" over McClurkin. Never mind that I have seen McClurkin's handiwork up close and personal and it was why I left evangelical Christianity 10 years ago.

As a Pagan his language on religion troubles me. In the name of "inclusion" he is shutting out the millions of Americans who are atheists or do not worship the Abrahamic god. As a former evangelical Christian I am aware more than most of his use of loaded code words and it scares the hell out of me.

Ultimately I feel as though Obama's message of hope and unity is only for certain people, despite his warm platitudes and shiny rhetoric. Nothing his supporters have said or done has convinced me otherwise. In fact it's been quite the opposite. It's nothing less than Borg tactics: assimilate or else. Resistance is futile. Sorry, but I'm not taking implants just yet, thanks.

I will vote for the nominee. I will vote for a goddamn ham sandwich if it has a (D) after its name. This includes Sen. Obama. But I will not work for him, I will not donate a dime, I will not canvas and GOTV the way I did for Kerry four years ago. His campaign and his followers have made it abundantly clear that am I of no value to them, and I return the sentiment.

[MojoMojoMojo]

49. I like Obama but I think hes a LIAR

No lobbyist or Pac money .90% his of donations from small donors.
Is meant to deceive supporters into thinking he has no corporate influence. And implies that Hilary is the evil candidate owned by big business.
But hes very likable and I will vote Democrat and hold my nose.

[woolldog]

51. Why was my post deleted?

I think for a large minority, the hate for Obama (consciously or subconsciously) comes from racism, fear of someone different.

Or am I not allowed to have that opinion?

[Mike03]

54. Hating Obama?

I am a talk show news addict, and I have not heard ANYONE hate obama. I have heard a ton of hatred of Hillary Clinton.

I wouldn't worry about Obama. He is awesome, charismatic, and will be the next POTUS.