Do you think that Hillary knows she's trailing because she has alienated progressives?

[leftofthedial]

Her support for the invasion and occupation of Iraq, the "war" on "terror," the invasion of citizen privacy and abrogation of civil liberties and the her support for a corporation-friendly agenda have cost her dearly with an energized Democratic electorate, IMHO.


If she does know this, do you think it will change her own positions in the future?

[TheDonkey]

1. Do your mean her "tough talk" and "centrist" positioning for 6 years cost her from gliding into the

White House?

Oh dear... what a miscalculation.

[sueragingroz]

2. she hasn't alienated this progressive... /nt

[leftofthedial]

9. assume for the moment that Obama wins the nomination

What effect, if any, do you think it will have on Clinton's agenda?

[eleny]

3. I think Obama's being a sharp alternative to petulant politicains...

....is so very refreshing. We wound up having a wide choice among those on our own side of the aisle.

[babylonsister]

4. That wouldn't explain so many people who can't be categorized. I

think it's easier than that; people like and perhaps trust Obama more.

[leftofthedial]

10. the "evil" you don't know is better than the "evil" you do?

[babylonsister]

16. You asked:

Obama gets me in the gut. I have read "a lot" about him, and I just have faith that he'll attempt to do the right thing w/o the DLC being involved, without cowtowing to corporate interests. Sure, he has a daunting task, and sure, he'll piss me off about some decisions, but I just trust him so much more.

End of story.

[leftofthedial]

17. good to hear.

I have several friends who've said the same thing. I certainly have been moved by some of his speeches. On some important (although not the *most* important to me) issues, he has very intriguing and admirable positions.

But, I guess I've been burned too many times . . .

[KoKo]

5. She needs to REMEMBER..."Neo-Gore" that she and Bill didn't Support!

He will haunt their soul...like a Karma..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4779988

[BeatleBoot]

6. Not in Ohio

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-campaign26feb26,0,70271.story

[HysteryDiagnosis]

7. Who can more righteously go after shrub and company for their

actions against the American people, democracy and the constitution?? A person who gave the green light to shrub for an illegal/immoral war halfway around the world that has done UNTOLD damage to America or a person who wanted nothing to do with it??

[latebloomer]

8. She deeply regrets that she voted for the IWR

because she never dreamed the war would be so unpopular by the time she started running for President!

Yes, I've always said that she has a snowball's chance of winning the election because the right reviles her and she has totally alienated the left.

[madrchsod]

11. she never cared about the "progressives"

so why would she even care if they voted? she`ll never change her position in regards to progressives.

[leftofthedial]

12. who did (does) she care about?

[demo dutch]

13. Trailing because she 's been hammered by the press, which was pretty evident in last night's debate!

[leftofthedial]

15. based purely on my own anecdotal experience,

those I know who label themselves "progressive" mostly support Obama; those who label themselves "moderate" favor Clinton.


The progressives unanimously view Clinton as a corporatist "free-trade" advocate and worse, as pro-invasion and occupation of Iraq. (They are strangely blind to Obama's corporatist record and lack of a voting record in opposition to the neocon invasion of Iraq.)

I think if Clinton had any truly progressive credentials--outspoken anti-war record or a strong pro-worker, anti-corporate record--she'd have wrapped the nomination up by now.

[Cha]

14. Does hilary know her hiring of

mark penn has alienated progressives, too?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x98393

[Johnny__Motown]

18. I thought it was because her campaign wasted all their money thinking it would be over on 2/5

and didn't invest in any of the races past 2/5

[leftofthedial]

19. but why *wasn't* it wrapped up by 2/5

if she had appeal even a little to progressives (who better represent the majority of the Democratic constituency AND the new voters than do the mythical "center" voters the DLC paleo-campaign experts think will win for them), Obama never would have gotten his act out of New Hampshire.

Instead, she appears to everyone to be just the same old DLC conservative corporatist accomplice to king george's crimes.


She has run an epically awful campaign.

[casus belli]

20. Do you honestly believe that's why she's trailing? n/t